Lowry Thread (Woj: Mulling HOU/TOR offers; LAL/MIA want in)

[Rappid]

4/44 is fine, but like others have said, the 5th year shouldn't be on the table. Like I said in another post, we should be saving that 5th year for a player like JV when his rookie deal is over.

Won't be cheap, looking at the Gortat deal and especially since Val will have made multiple all-star apperances by then

I agree 4/44 would be perfect for Kyle, but I bet he's pushing for something like 5/60 atm. I trust in Masai and his jedi powers.

[ballislife]

4/44 is fine, but like others have said, the 5th year shouldn't be on the table. Like I said in another post, we should be saving that 5th year for a player like JV when his rookie deal is over.

Your name says your an "UneducatedFan86" so I really don't expect much in your posts.

JV is going to be a RFA in 2016/2017. 3 years from now. So JV will be a RFA even if Lowry only signs a 3 year deal with us (which is almost impossible).

There's no significance with Lowry signing a 4/5 year deal with JV in thought..JV''s going to be a FA that we need to sign before that. Same goes for Ross. If Lowry signs a 5 year deal we should be able to retain JV in the future... we should have close to $27 million next offseason, which we'll probably save to make a run at KD in 2016. If we spend the max on him, we'll still be able to retain JV by going into the tax (which Leiweke said he's willing to do in the right circumstance).

Again, your argument makes no sense... The only way it would is if we sign KLow to a 3 year K.

[Oakville_Raptor]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

[beanbag]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

Source?

[ballislife]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

lol troll.

[ak06ma]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

Where are you hearing this?

[Oakville_Raptor]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

Source?

Not allowed to say

[beanbag]

Kyle Lowry has officially signed with the Houston Rockets...dammit....

Source?

Not allowed to say

*Googly eye Chris Broussard pic*

[Oakville_Raptor]

Source?

Not allowed to say

*Googly eye Chris Broussard pic*

Just some 4:35 A.M. horrible comedy on my part

[Son Goku 25]

Hello everyone all those who are awake

[Skeezo]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11156333/nba-top-30-free-agents-2014-40

From ESPN Insider

11. Kyle Lowry | PG | UFA

2013-14 Team: Toronto Raptors
2013-14 Salary: $6.2 million
Suggested AAV: $9 million/year, four years, player option

For many, Lowry represents the best point guard option on the market. He put together an All-Star-worthy campaign in Toronto, and managed to remain healthy (something that hasn't been a given). Still, he's got a reputation for rubbing people the wrong way, and his defense suffered some this season as he focused more on the offensive end.


25. Patrick Patterson | PF | RFA

2013-14 Team: Toronto Raptors
2013-14 Salary: $3.1 million
Suggested AAV: $4 million/year, three years

A solid pick-and-pop big who shot more than 40 percent from 3-point land last year, Patterson is hurt by his underwhelming defensive rebounding. But he's got the type of work ethic and character that makes him an excellent presence in the locker room, along with his ability to stretch the defense.


Vasquez did not make the Updated Top 30 AAV Free Agents...

[raptor jesus]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kNGnIKUdMI[/youtube]

[BangerBrotha]

As for people talking about saving 5 years for Jonas, I think Jonas can still get a 5 year deal even if Lowry gets a 5 year deal right now, as we see with Wall and Gortat. As long as one is not a max contract, you can give 5 year deals. Another team with the same situation is Indiana with George Hill and Paul George.

As for 4 years or 5 years, like other guys, I am really hoping for 4 years 44 million. Even if he can produce 90% of what he did last year, that deal is a bargain in my mind. But. I don't really mind going up to 48 million myself if we have to. This guy's AAV would be 13 million per year if not for his past history. But it's not like this guy has ever dogged it in any season. Just had injury issues and problems with coaches. I believe he has matured since then.

[Skeezo]

As for people talking about saving 5 years for Jonas, I think Jonas can still get a 5 year deal even if Lowry gets a 5 year deal right now, as we see with Wall and Gortat. As long as one is not a max contract, you can give 5 year deals. Another team with the same situation is Indiana with George Hill and Paul George.

As for 4 years or 5 years, like other guys, I am really hoping for 4 years 44 million. Even if he can produce 90% of what he did last year, that deal is a bargain in my mind. But. I don't really mind going up to 48 million myself if we have to. This guy's AAV would be 13 million per year if not for his past history. But it's not like this guy has ever dogged it in any season. Just had injury issues and problems with coaches. I believe he has matured since then.

I wouldn't say 4yrs/44m is a bargain... Matter of fact it is still a bit of an overpayment but I think one most fans can live with & one that also says the days are over where we will not drastically overpay to keep or get players... Michael Grange may take some flack here but he did address this issue in his latest article on sportsnet about the Raps trying to let the league know we are not there automatic ATM anymore... I think Amin Elhassan has his AAV just about right at 4yrs/36m (9m)... Might be a little low but definitely no more then 4yrs/40m...

[hillbilly hare]

As for people talking about saving 5 years for Jonas, I think Jonas can still get a 5 year deal even if Lowry gets a 5 year deal right now, as we see with Wall and Gortat. As long as one is not a max contract, you can give 5 year deals. Another team with the same situation is Indiana with George Hill and Paul George.

As for 4 years or 5 years, like other guys, I am really hoping for 4 years 44 million. Even if he can produce 90% of what he did last year, that deal is a bargain in my mind. But. I don't really mind going up to 48 million myself if we have to. This guy's AAV would be 13 million per year if not for his past history. But it's not like this guy has ever dogged it in any season. Just had injury issues and problems with coaches. I believe he has matured since then.

I wouldn't say 4yrs/44m is a bargain... Matter of fact it is still a bit of an overpayment but I think one most fans can live with & one that also says the days are over where we will not drastically overpay to keep or get players... Michael Grange may take some flack here but he did address this issue in his latest article on sportsnet about the Raps trying to let the league know we are not there automatic ATM anymore... I think Amin Elhassan has his AAV just about right at 4yrs/36m (9m)... Might be a little low but definitely no more then 4yrs/40m...

As a franchise we've never had any problem "drastically overpaying" to get or keep players.
To wit:
Bargnani
Calderon
Turkoglu
Kapono

And that's only Clownangelo!

Well before that we opened the vault - in that case it was warranted - for Florida native Vince Carter, and organized Vince Carter Day, all of which exploded any idea or theory or conviction that Toronto could not hold onto its best players because it was too cold, foreign, boring, etc.

Re. Lowry. If Jose got a 5-year deal for pretty serious money, 9M ave. and a cap killer 10.5M in his final year, and Bargnani (!!!) got a 5-year deal for even more, like a 10M average (for decency's sake I won't mention Kapono and Turkoglu), then WHAT is a realistic / solid / appropriate offer to a REAL player like Lowry? He's the complete package, for crying out loud. No need for a tandem, i.e. a 2nd guy who compensates for a highly paid player's one-dimensional game, e.g. Calderon, whose best play came when he tandemed with Ford, who also cost something like 8M a year - so we were paying 17M a year for a Total PG! And where do you start with Andrea? How much did we have to pay, or should have paid, a backup C and/or PF to cover up his defensive "weaknesses", to be kind?

Come on, guys. 55/5 or whatever the hell it is is NOT overpaying. For better or worse, Lowry is both a complete player and a symbol of the franchise's SERIOUSNESS about being a real, competitive, professional NBA franchise, and NOT the complete joke that it was for the last 6 unbearably embarrassing years under Clownangelo.

[Scraptor]

It's all well and good to argue hypothetical fair values, but ultimately prices don't exist in a vacuum. Elhassan had Gortat's suggested contract at $9mm/yr for 4 years, so $36mm, and Gortat ended up getting $60mm guaranteed. He's got Bledsoe at $11.5mm/yr and Hayward at $10mm/yr but someone is going to give Bledsoe the max and Hayward probably pretty close to it.

You have to pick your spots and figure out who's worth the overpayment. For what Lowry brings to the table, you pay up. Weather, taxes, lack of winning history or other stars... right now, to retain that winning culture, that's worth a few million a year.

If we were going to get into a scrape over a couple million bucks a year we should have traded Lowry months ago. I'd argue that the signal of yet another free agent leaving (and such a crucial one) is far worse than the signal that we aren't the league's ATM anymore.

Masai is walking an incredibly tight rope. I hope he gets us to the other side, because if Lowry walks, it's a long way down.

[CLIN]

its 4:30 am

i'm not even a raptor fan, just trolling through the boards i guess, never sleep

if you guys lose lowry cuz you're fighting over a couple mil or 5th year whatever, that's dumb. You guys are in a tough spot. If he doesn't sign with you guys, you're screwed. He's got a pretty good amount of leverage using the raps.

I wouldn't worry too much yet because I think he's just using the opportunity to take advantage of the situation, get a bigger deal. As long as he signs with you guys, I would consider it a success, just get him. Hopefully masai doesn't get too cute with it.

[BangerBrotha]

It's all well and good to argue hypothetical fair values, but ultimately prices don't exist in a vacuum. Elhassan had Gortat's suggested contract at $9mm/yr for 4 years, so $36mm, and Gortat ended up getting $60mm guaranteed. He's got Bledsoe at $11.5mm/yr and Hayward at $10mm/yr but someone is going to give Bledsoe the max and Hayward probably pretty close to it.

You have to pick your spots and figure out who's worth the overpayment. For what Lowry brings to the table, you pay up. Weather, taxes, lack of winning history or other stars... right now, to retain that winning culture, that's worth a few million a year.

If we were going to get into a scrape over a couple million bucks a year we should have traded Lowry months ago. I'd argue that the signal of yet another free agent leaving (and such a crucial one) is far worse than the signal that we aren't the league's ATM anymore.

Masai is walking an incredibly tight rope. I hope he gets us to the other side, because if Lowry walks, it's a long way down.

Exactly. The armchair GMs in Pelton and Elhassan can easily say they are worth this much or that much. They aren't under pressure to sign these guys. But it only takes one team to drive up the price. Based on Lowry's production compared to other point guards, a 10-12 million annual salary is reasonably fair.

[RNsteve]

Are people forgetting how injury prone Bledsoe is? Is that someone you want to be paying top dollar for?

4/40 Mill is LEGIT...Heck Lowry was injured a lot too coming up

We're willing to give more to an older, just as injury prone (if not more) Kyle Lowry. I don't see why getting Bledsoe would be so difficult. If we really wanted to acquire him, we could get it done. I'd feel more comfortable with him at the helm as he continues to grow with our current core than Lowry who will become the odd man out in two years.

Older yes..but injury prone? He missed major time one season due to a bacterial infection. Otherwise...say what? No major injuries-stop making things up people.

(edit-not trying to sound like as much as a jackass as it seems, but he really doesn't have a bad injury history, especially when compared to most top teir PG's in the league.)

[sycammer]

i havent just gone thru a few of this thread's pages - we all would like to the raptors to resign him but no one wants to overpay him. well, tell me what other options do you have?

we arent willing to give 5 yr option (lets say its 12mil 5 yrs - 60 mil) to lowry who was the reason this team played so well last season; yet we are willing to spend/sign on bledsoe that same amount or similar becz he is younger than him?