Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

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[fleet]

I'm sure it was posted - its more than an hour old - but have we discussed Broussards tweet that CHi has shown interest in Stephenson? Lance apparently turned down a 5yr 44 million deal from Indy.

No! show us..

It would be a sweet alternative.

[bad knees]

Broussard: Knicks chances have improved

...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

[DJhitek]

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Contingency plan.

My predictions are falling into place......not that I want them to at all really.

[GMgoran]

Toni kukoc wasn't coming to join Derrick rose melo and Noah either while removing a athletic shot blocking great defending power forward with great experience and fitting well in thibs system either. If mirotic was joining pippen and I guess you know the greatest damn player that ever played then yea no issues with mirotic but he not and you removing a great contributor in taj and going with a guy who may need a couple years to develop, that makes no sense.

On top of that we have drafted a guy who possibly could be a more solid contributor than mirotic in McDermott so if ny want mirotic to make a s&t happen you send him and don't think twice about it

Melo rose Noah will have to clash with the likes of lebron wade and bosh they have no time for mirotic to be a liability they need seasoned guys ready to win now to face those guys. Last thing we need is bosh cooking mirotic on the other end with taj gone and no way to cover him to close games.

You don't seem to get it ... We don't need to lose Taj ... The only thing that we need to do is to find trading partners for the likes of Boozer, Dunleavy and Randolph ... It might cost us some assets, like our own future picks, the Sacramento pick, the right to swap picks with Cleveland, or Portland's second round picks, but since you don't care much about the addition of young players, you shouldn't have a problem with that ...

[WinCity]

Toni kukoc wasn't coming to join Derrick rose melo and Noah either while removing a athletic shot blocking great defending power forward with great experience and fitting well in thibs system either. If mirotic was joining pippen and I guess you know the greatest damn player that ever played then yea no issues with mirotic but he not and you removing a great contributor in taj and going with a guy who may need a couple years to develop, that makes no sense.

On top of that we have drafted a guy who possibly could be a more solid contributor than mirotic in McDermott so if ny want mirotic to make a s&t happen you send him and don't think twice about it

Melo rose Noah will have to clash with the likes of lebron wade and bosh they have no time for mirotic to be a liability they need seasoned guys ready to win now to face those guys. Last thing we need is bosh cooking mirotic on the other end with taj gone and no way to cover him to close games.

You don't seem to get it ... We don't need to lose Taj ... The only thing that we need to do is to find trading partners for the likes of Boozer, Dunleavy and Randolph ... It might cost us some assets, like our own future picks, the Sacramento pick, the right to swap picks with Cleveland, or Portland's second round picks, but since you don't care much about the addition of young players, you shouldn't have a problem with that ...

Bro, I was trying to tell him we were discussing having both Taj and Niko...dude just didnt want to read our posts

[weneeda2guard]

Dont be ridiculous. Taj is 28, Noah is near 30 and Melo is 30. Thats an aging frontcourt. If you want to compete long term you bring in fresh, young legs and meld them in alongside your older guys. Thats how its done.

Youngsters don't win rings

Vets do. Why are you thinking long term when we trying to recruit a 30 yr old vet? And mirotic is not coming along with Parker ginobli and Duncan like kawhi did. You don't move taj for mirotic if you plan on competing immediately you don't have the years to wait for mirotic to develop. And mirotic strong suit is scoring from the outside not like he coming in dominating the glass blocking shots and protecting the rim. He a youngster that needs to bulk up and in thibs system could be a liability. Taj is ready now, many experts have said mirotic needs a couple of years.

If our main target was Kevin love and we were opening our window for 4-7 years then yea mirotic but melo coming means a 2-4 year window and taj is better in that situation

Your entire post is irrelevant (compare the bolded part to what we were discussing before you jumped on).

It's only irrelevant if your telling me ny will do a s&t without mirotic we can keep our exceptions and we can bring mirotic over with taj.

But that is not likely and if we want to do a s&t we likely will have to include mirotic or the alternative to clear space to get melo and fill out the roster would be parting with taj.

So my standpoint is you def don't part with taj you ship mirotic out with other assets in the s&t
You def don't dump taj a guy who is better suited in thibs system for a unproven youngster throw him on the side of Noah melo and rose and expect him to be a solid contributor year 1. His road is down the line and with melo we don't have time for future projects. Not when we have a monster like Miami sitting in front of us.

[Droseisthe1]

[WinCity]

Broussard: Knicks chances have improved

...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

The problem with Broussards "reporting" is he made a dumb frackin assumption that we wouldn't dump more guys to clear space for Melo. Move Butler and you can clear another $2 mil.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Whose front office is he talking about? NYK's?

[Mech Engineer]

The Knicks goal in 2015 is either max cap-space or having a big star(other than Melo) on its roster.

If that's the case, Boozer makes a lot of sense as an expiring contract because not only can he go in a trade but they are also getting rid of JR Smith's salary. They can obviously trade Boozer, Bargnani or Amare. But, Amare's contract is so big that you have to almost trade the whole roster of the other team to match his salary. Bargnani's is too small a contract and they have to lose other pieces to match a trade.

The one advantage the Bulls have is the variety of picks to give the Knicks compared to Houston or Dallas.

[BullsFTW]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140701/sports/140709746/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Bulls can make up most of the monetary imbalance by negotiating a sign-and-trade with Jackson, who was hired a few weeks ago. It's possible Jackson just says no to any sign-and-trade, but there actually a couple of scenarios that might make sense for the Knicks.

The Bulls could send an asset or two to New York, then combine the traded players and cap room created by using the amnesty clause on Carlos Boozer.

A second option is to trade Boozer to the Knicks with some other pieces and take back J.R. Smith and Pablo Prigioni along with Anthony. Such a trade would give New York more than $50 million in cap room for 2015 because Smith and Prigioni are signed for two more seasons.

Is McGraw the only media person who has finally begun mentioning this option? I know nationally, all I hear are il-informed things we blew past weeks ago as a group

To tell you the truth, a lot of posters in this forum know more about the cap room than most beat writers and reporters. We've been discussing that route for a while.

[Proven_Winner]

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Whose front office is he talking about? NYK's?

Has to be NYK because it says getting boozer back. If it was us it would just say keeping Boozer.

[bad knees]

...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

The problem with Broussards "reporting" is he made a dumb frackin assumption that we wouldn't dump more guys to clear space for Melo. Move Butler and you can clear another $2 mil.

Actually, if you move Butler for space, you only clear another $1.5M for Melo because you have to add another 500K roster charge.

[HINrichPolice]

Man, almost caught up all the way on these threads... I'm on page 9 of this thread. Just wanted to say one thing before I get ready for work...

Can we please have some updates on the Houston and Dallas Melo recruiting efforts? It'd be fun and interesting to compare.

THANKS IN ADVANCE! I know you guys won't let me down!

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Whose front office is he talking about? NYK's?

Knicks

[MisterRoy]

There is a lot of talk about NY not wanting to take Boozer for Melo. If we say we will take back Smith, Jackson will start singing a different tune. This could be what he's trying to get anyway: 1yr of Boozer for 1yr less of Smith.

[Magic24]

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Phil is not that stupid. If Love makes it to the trading deadline, he will hit the FA market.

[ingvald]

Broussard: Knicks chances have improved

...and saying the Bulls can only offer $15M unless they S&T Boozer to Knicks. More cap ignorance. Also saying Melo won't turn down $22M from Knicks, fails to mention Knicks haven't offered that. Dumping Felton and Chandler building confidence in Phil.

More of the same.

Broussard is right about the $15 million (actually it's $15.8M) if the Bulls keep Rose, Butler, Taj, Noah and McDermott:

Anthony- $15,836,790
Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,700,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Taj - $8,000,000
McDermott - $1,898,300
Roster charge ($507,336) x 7 = $3,551,352
Rip* - $333,334

Total: $63,200,000

Rose, Room MLE
Butler, vet min
Melo, McDermott
Taj, Bairstow
Noah, vet min

Your numbers are right. My issue with Broussard's statement was that the S&T must include Boozer to work. If they amnesty Boozer, they have $11.12M in cap space. S&T with Butler, Dunleavy, and non-guaranteeds matches a $20.33M offer to Melo.

They can amnesty Boozer and offer a very attractive S&T to New York that gets Melo his cash.

Broussard is an idiot.

[johnnyvann840]

Screw it. If Melo didn't verbally commit yesterday, I'm offering Lance $10.5M per (42/4) today and getting his ass here for a sit down.