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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#41 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 2, 2014 11:42 am

therealbig3 wrote:If we could sign Kirk Hinrich and re-sign Paul Pierce:

PG - Deron Williams/Kirk Hinrich
SG - ?/Marcus Thornton
SF - Joe Johnson/Andrei Kirilenko
PF - Paul Pierce/Mirza Teletovic
C - Brook Lopez/Kevin Garnett/Mason Plumlee

We would still need 2 SGs...one to start, and one to back him up, because I don't trust Thornton as the primary backup at SG at all.

I think Markel Brown might be able to be the reserve SG if his defense translates to the NBA and he can work on his 3pt shot...but I'm not going to get my hopes up over the #44 pick.


hinrich would start.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#42 » by kerry kittles » Wed Jul 2, 2014 12:14 pm

I don't like the report that Bojan Bogdanovic is an option to be brought over with the mmle. I get he's younger at 25 and that's a plus, but I'm more of the mindset of treadmill till 2016. Stay competitive in the short term without taking on long term contract and rebuild through free agency in 2016.

Bogdanovic is not the fit we need to replace Livingston. We need a defensive wing and he's just not that. We have good shooters in Johnson and DWill, but really need a wing defender in there. Hinrich and Thabo have to be the options for us.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#43 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:42 pm

kerry kittles wrote:I don't like the report that Bojan Bogdanovic is an option to be brought over with the mmle. I get he's younger at 25 and that's a plus, but I'm more of the mindset of treadmill till 2016. Stay competitive in the short term without taking on long term contract and rebuild through free agency in 2016.

Bogdanovic is not the fit we need to replace Livingston. We need a defensive wing and he's just not that. We have good shooters in Johnson and DWill, but really need a wing defender in there. Hinrich and Thabo have to be the options for us.


We can get wing defenders for the vet minimum, if that's all you are looking for. The biggest question mark is PG, with Deron's own ankles problematic. We need someone there who is a capable backup, but good enough to start in a pinch if Deron can't play.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#44 » by kerry kittles » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:29 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:I don't like the report that Bojan Bogdanovic is an option to be brought over with the mmle. I get he's younger at 25 and that's a plus, but I'm more of the mindset of treadmill till 2016. Stay competitive in the short term without taking on long term contract and rebuild through free agency in 2016.

Bogdanovic is not the fit we need to replace Livingston. We need a defensive wing and he's just not that. We have good shooters in Johnson and DWill, but really need a wing defender in there. Hinrich and Thabo have to be the options for us.


We can get wing defenders for the vet minimum, if that's all you are looking for. The biggest question mark is PG, with Deron's own ankles problematic. We need someone there who is a capable backup, but good enough to start in a pinch if Deron can't play.


Hinrich fit the bill as defender and another ball handler. If we can't land him then we should revisit the Jack trade with Cleveland or look into signing Nelson though I doubt he takes the vet minimum.
I think Sefelosha would be a much better fit next to DWill and Johnson in the starting lineup than Bogdanovic. We can then trade Thornton for Jack. Resign Anderson for the vet minimum. The guard rotation would then look like:

Dwill/Jack/Teague
Sefelosha/Anderon/Brown

Which I would like
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#45 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:36 pm

kerry kittles wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:I don't like the report that Bojan Bogdanovic is an option to be brought over with the mmle. I get he's younger at 25 and that's a plus, but I'm more of the mindset of treadmill till 2016. Stay competitive in the short term without taking on long term contract and rebuild through free agency in 2016.

Bogdanovic is not the fit we need to replace Livingston. We need a defensive wing and he's just not that. We have good shooters in Johnson and DWill, but really need a wing defender in there. Hinrich and Thabo have to be the options for us.


We can get wing defenders for the vet minimum, if that's all you are looking for. The biggest question mark is PG, with Deron's own ankles problematic. We need someone there who is a capable backup, but good enough to start in a pinch if Deron can't play.


Hinrich fit the bill as defender and another ball handler. If we can't land him then we should revisit the Jack trade with Cleveland or look into signing Nelson though I doubt he takes the vet minimum.
I think Sefelosha would be a much better fit next to DWill and Johnson in the starting lineup than Bogdanovic. We can then trade Thornton for Jack. Resign Anderson for the vet minimum. The guard rotation would then look like:

Dwill/Jack/Teague
Sefelosha/Anderon/Brown

Which I would like


If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.

You'd have

Deron, Joe, AK, and your preferred combination of PF/C.

Bojan would be the backup at SF, which we would need should we lose Paul.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#46 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:48 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
We can get wing defenders for the vet minimum, if that's all you are looking for. The biggest question mark is PG, with Deron's own ankles problematic. We need someone there who is a capable backup, but good enough to start in a pinch if Deron can't play.


Hinrich fit the bill as defender and another ball handler. If we can't land him then we should revisit the Jack trade with Cleveland or look into signing Nelson though I doubt he takes the vet minimum.
I think Sefelosha would be a much better fit next to DWill and Johnson in the starting lineup than Bogdanovic. We can then trade Thornton for Jack. Resign Anderson for the vet minimum. The guard rotation would then look like:

Dwill/Jack/Teague
Sefelosha/Anderon/Brown

Which I would like


If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.

You'd have

Deron, Joe, AK, and your preferred combination of PF/C.

Bojan would be the backup at SF, which we would need should we lose Paul.


This team will barely be an 8th seed the more I look at this roster. Just god awful.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#47 » by kerry kittles » Wed Jul 2, 2014 5:12 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:
Hinrich fit the bill as defender and another ball handler. If we can't land him then we should revisit the Jack trade with Cleveland or look into signing Nelson though I doubt he takes the vet minimum.
I think Sefelosha would be a much better fit next to DWill and Johnson in the starting lineup than Bogdanovic. We can then trade Thornton for Jack. Resign Anderson for the vet minimum. The guard rotation would then look like:

Dwill/Jack/Teague
Sefelosha/Anderon/Brown

Which I would like


If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.

You'd have

Deron, Joe, AK, and your preferred combination of PF/C.

Bojan would be the backup at SF, which we would need should we lose Paul.


This team will barely be an 8th seed the more I look at this roster. Just god awful.


If we lose Pierce we're ****

Replacing Kidd with Hollins + 2 2nd round picks = okay

Replacing Livingston with Hinirch or Livingston/Thornton with Jack/Sefolsha = okay

Letting Blatche walk and go with a Center rotations of Lopez/Plumlee/KG = okay

Letting Pierce walk = not okay. We can't easily replace his production
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#48 » by kerry kittles » Wed Jul 2, 2014 5:14 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
We can get wing defenders for the vet minimum, if that's all you are looking for. The biggest question mark is PG, with Deron's own ankles problematic. We need someone there who is a capable backup, but good enough to start in a pinch if Deron can't play.


Hinrich fit the bill as defender and another ball handler. If we can't land him then we should revisit the Jack trade with Cleveland or look into signing Nelson though I doubt he takes the vet minimum.
I think Sefelosha would be a much better fit next to DWill and Johnson in the starting lineup than Bogdanovic. We can then trade Thornton for Jack. Resign Anderson for the vet minimum. The guard rotation would then look like:

Dwill/Jack/Teague
Sefelosha/Anderon/Brown

Which I would like


If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.

You'd have

Deron, Joe, AK, and your preferred combination of PF/C.

Bojan would be the backup at SF, which we would need should we lose Paul.


I think Joe really benefited from the move to the 3. I wouldn't like to move him back to the 2. I think he's too slow to guard the quicker 2 guards in the league. I'd really like a shooting guard whose a defender. We'd have enough offense with DWill, Joe, Lopez (if healthy), and Pierce (if retained)
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Post#49 » by Keith Van Horn » Wed Jul 2, 2014 5:27 pm

If we can get Sefelosha and trade Thornton for Jack, and develop Brown into a regular player, and of course resign Pierce, we might be OK. It all depends on how our new coach puts everything together and if Pierce continues to embrace this team.

Williams / Jack / Gutierrez
Sefelosha / Brown
Johnson / Kirilenko
Pierce / Teletovic
Lopez / Garnett / Plumlee

Still think we'll need another PF at some point. Humphries anyone? and it would be nice to still have Anderson as insurance at the 2/3 spots.
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Post#50 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:06 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.


who starts the 30-50 games that kirilenko is sure to miss?

AK should be viewed strictly as an 8th-9th man. not a starter
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Post#51 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:13 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
This team will barely be an 8th seed the more I look at this roster. Just god awful.


It really comes down to 3 things:

-Will pierce be back
-can we get a defensive wing for the mMLE
-Will we move lopez or make him a reserve

Dwill |Guitierez | Vet min
mMLE | Thornton| Brown
Johnson | Kirilenko
Pierce | Mirza
Plumlee | Garnett or Lopez

that above team wins 45 games as long as you get a wing defender for the mMLE. if you take pierce out of the equation, we shift back to a slow team that plays no defense, and in that case, i would agree we are more a 38-42 win team that is clawing to stayin the playoffs.

The thing with losing kidd, he had the right vision. he knew we werent going to win playing big and slow and with lopez getting touches and minutes. really wish he would have prevailed in convincing the team to move on from brook
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#52 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jul 2, 2014 8:26 pm

Prokorov wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.


who starts the 30-50 games that kirilenko is sure to miss?

AK should be viewed strictly as an 8th-9th man. not a starter


Bogdanovic if he comes over? Pierce if he returns?

Ideally AK wouldn't be a starter. But if Pierce leaves, we are left with a gaping hole at backup PG and at SF. We only have one way of filling either one (mMLE). IMO, the PG is a bigger hole, because aside from Deron we don't really have anyone reliable there, and Deron has his own injury problems.

Whereas with SF, there are guys who can be slid to that spot. They wouldn't be ideal, but I trust a SG/SF combo of Thornton/JJ or JJ/AK or Bojan/JJ or Bojan/AK or Brown/JJ rather than Gutierrez or Teague at PG.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#53 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 2, 2014 8:57 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Bogdanovic if he comes over? Pierce if he returns?


If pierce starts at SF, then who takes pierces spot at PF?

If bogs is over, then yea, he would be a candidate to replace livingston i'd think.
Ideally AK wouldn't be a starter. But if Pierce leaves, we are left with a gaping hole at backup PG and at SF. We only have one way of filling either one (mMLE). IMO, the PG is a bigger hole, because aside from Deron we don't really have anyone reliable there, and Deron has his own injury problems.


Pierce isnt a SF, he is aPF. if he leaves, i would think that mirza would step into the starting lineup and we'd look at someone like Ivan johnson to back him up with kirenko splitting time between backup SF and backup PF.

for me PG isnt a concern. we have enough ball handlers were we can get away with a sub par backup PG. i think replacing livingston is the most vital. he starts, and he is our main wing defender. the mMLE needs to be used to replace him imo.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#54 » by SpeedyG » Wed Jul 2, 2014 9:59 pm

Prokorov wrote:
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Bogdanovic if he comes over? Pierce if he returns?


If pierce starts at SF, then who takes pierces spot at PF?

If bogs is over, then yea, he would be a candidate to replace livingston i'd think.
Ideally AK wouldn't be a starter. But if Pierce leaves, we are left with a gaping hole at backup PG and at SF. We only have one way of filling either one (mMLE). IMO, the PG is a bigger hole, because aside from Deron we don't really have anyone reliable there, and Deron has his own injury problems.


Pierce isnt a SF, he is aPF. if he leaves, i would think that mirza would step into the starting lineup and we'd look at someone like Ivan johnson to back him up with kirenko splitting time between backup SF and backup PF.

for me PG isnt a concern. we have enough ball handlers were we can get away with a sub par backup PG. i think replacing livingston is the most vital. he starts, and he is our main wing defender. the mMLE needs to be used to replace him imo.


Ideally, I agree I would not want Paul at SF. Defensively, he looks shot there. I would be OK with him at PF, but he's a bad fit with Lopez at C (unless Brook flips the switch and gets a hustle transplant). My point is that, if Paul comes back, we get a lot more options switching people around from SG to SF to PF. We have guys who are versatile enough to play either SG/SF or SF/PF.

I don't think we have that luxury at PG. The only guy I can kind of trust to run PG if Deron gets hurt is Joe, and even that minimizes what Joe can do, and further takes away from an already sketchy SG/SF/PF rotation.

I mean, we can trot out Deron/Joe/Paul/AK/KG (with Paul/AK switching responsibilities defensively) or even Deron/Joe/Paul/AK/Lopez. We can go Deron/Thornton/Joe/Pierce/KG or Deron/Thornton/Joe/Pierce with Plum/Lopez at C.

Let's say AK gets hurt. Well, we switch to lineup of Deron/Thornton/JJ/Paul/KG. Or we start both KG/Lopez up front. Or even go with Deron, Thornton, JJ, Mirza, Plumlee.

There's just more flexibility with our SG/SF/PF rotation because there are guys capable of playing those positions in small stretches should an injury happen.

But if, god forbid Deron's ankles has a setback?

That would force Gutierrez and Teague to play minutes they are quite frankly not ready for.
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Re: Well we just Livingston to Golden State 

Post#55 » by Paradise » Wed Jul 2, 2014 10:14 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
If you're just looking for a defender, then just slide AK47 at SF.


who starts the 30-50 games that kirilenko is sure to miss?

AK should be viewed strictly as an 8th-9th man. not a starter


Bogdanovic if he comes over? Pierce if he returns?


I would assume Thornton would be dealt for Jack. Bogdanovic moves to backup SG.

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