Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[ingvald]

If the Knicks & Bulls ever agree on a S&T this will have to be it. It works for both teams.

thank you , it seems like the best common ground for both organizations.

...and noteworthy that neither were mentioned as part of the pitch yesterday.

[TruthSerum]

Dear Knicks fans, if Melo doesn't want to come back to you, you have NO LEVERAGE in trade demands. Deal with it.

Now that's just not true. They don't have to take Boozer's final year for us and it's highly doubtful we would salary-dump enough to sign Melo outright.

Quid pro quo

[CloudyFuture]

houston rockets beat writer on the Game:

- howard harden drexler will be part of pitch

- If they unload lin which he thinks they can cause its easy to give a guy away for nothing sometimes salary can start at around 17-17.5 If they unload a couple other players can get it up to 20 a year

[D_GoLow]

obviously the difference would be Rose, Noah, and Gibson are all better than Amare. Which was the only piece the knicks had really after the trade. So as long as your were able to keep those 3 in tact (noah, rose, Gibson). Plus keep a couple young role players like Snell and McDermott as well as bringing in JR smith. You would still have 7 or 8 rotational players. As well as being about to offer a FA the full MLE which would be a really nice player as well. You would have the makings of a 8 or 9 man rotation that looks pretty solid.

which is why Mirotic, Butler, and Picks should be on the table, IMO.

If the Knicks & Bulls ever agree on a S&T this will have to be it. It works for both teams.

thank you , it seems like the best common ground for both organizations.

They share a common thing: neither wants Boozer

[mpharris36]

Teams doing a sign and trade for outgoing FAs always get crap. Don't know why Knicks fans think it would be any different this time.

please at least admit this situation is different.

Max money will be involved and a top 10 player going to a team that can't sign him out right to the money he wants.

Not trying to be a d*ck but please tell me a relevant situation this compares too?

[MGB8]

Knicks fans have to accept the possibility that Melo walks and takes 16.4 to start, so that over the 4 years he gives up 30 million dollars.

Because, given the difference in income taxes (5% vs. 12%), it's probably more like 25 million. Add in playoff revenue, maybe 23 million (not exactly sure how much extra they get). A bump in endorsements due to more success and just buzz about the move - it does down to 15 million, maybe 10 million... maybe goes down to zero.

If Bosh and Wade are willing to take paycuts to have a stacked team, then Melo, if he wants any shot at the ring - at competing with Miami (and Indiana) knows he is also going to have to take a cut, and there's really only one situation that makes him truly competitive for the title and against Miami.

[Edit - given the real chance of a lockout / significant changes to the CBA, I don't know that there's any point in even considering year 3 or 4 at this point, much less a year 5].

[t-time]

The Houston Rockets are also building a new downtown training facility

[Michael Jackson]

Jim Ross or Jerry Reinsdorf or J.R. Smith?

Joe Rogan

Lol I love Joe Rogan sometimes.

[WindyCityBorn]

Chandler Parsons & Lance Stephenson, then Paul Pierce, then Ariza, then whole load of crap. (Hayward is getting matched by Utah - he isn't available.

I think Houston will resign Parsons at any cost if they strike out on Melo too. I don't know what to think of Stephenson. He could be on the verge of being an all-star or he could end up being a really bad contract. I like Ariza because he is sharpshooter. Pierce would good if limited him to around 20 minutes a game and let him take games off so he'd be fresh for the playoffs.

Stephenson might be the guy to gamble on because we need a second creator and he is solid there. Pierce is cheaper though and he can create as well, plus would allow us to sign Mirotic this year.

The Rockets are likely matching any Parsons offer even if they get Melo. They could have had Parsons at under $1MM for another year so I highly doubt they let him become a RFA this year just to let him go to another team without something in return. The only way Parsons isn't in a Rockets jersey this year is if he is signed and traded to another team.

They cannot afford Parsons if they get Melo unless those will be the only 4 players on the team and he plays the same position as Melo. Both of them would get abused trying to play PF in the West.

[ingvald]

Knicks fans have to accept the possibility that Melo walks and takes 16.4 to start, so that over the 4 years he gives up 30 million dollars.

Because, given the difference in income taxes (5% vs. 12%), it's probably more like 25 million. Add in playoff revenue, maybe 23 million (not exactly sure how much extra they get). A bump in endorsements due to more success and just buzz about the move - it does down to 15 million, maybe 10 million... maybe goes down to zero.

If Bosh and Wade are willing to take paycuts to have a stacked team, then Melo, if he wants any shot at the ring - at competing with Miami (and Indiana) knows he is also going to have to take a cut, and there's really only one situation that makes him truly competitive for the title and against Miami.

Melo isn't signing for 16. He likely thinks of himself as Lebron not Bosh. That's why I think Lebron insisting on max money is a smokescreen to derail Melo-to-Bulls

<puts on tinfoil>

[TruthSerum]

Knicks fans have to accept the possibility that Melo walks and takes 16.4 to start, so that over the 4 years he gives up 30 million dollars.

Because, given the difference in income taxes (5% vs. 12%), it's probably more like 25 million. Add in playoff revenue, maybe 23 million (not exactly sure how much extra they get). A bump in endorsements due to more success and just buzz about the move - it does down to 15 million, maybe 10 million... maybe goes down to zero.

If Bosh and Wade are willing to take paycuts to have a stacked team, then Melo, if he wants any shot at the ring - at competing with Miami (and Indiana) knows he is also going to have to take a cut, and there's really only one situation that makes him truly competitive for the title and against Miami.

[Edit - given the real chance of a lockout / significant changes to the CBA, I don't know that there's any point in even considering year 3 or 4 at this point, much less a year 5].

Rose has missed past 2 seasons and we couldn't even win a game at home against the Wiz in 1st round let's not pretend we have the finals locked.

[waffle]

but lebron took less at one point to WIN WIN WIN. Maybe Melo does exactly that, follows Bron's lead. Seemed to work out OK for him, eh?

[r1terrell23]

Chicago Bulls Rumors ‏@chicagobullsbot 3m
New York Knicks Carmelo Anthony final decision could come down to what La La Anthony wants - (Article: Mike McGraw) - http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014 ... 140709738/ …

I don't think she wants to leave NY (damnit).

Kind of obvious, right? "Could" come down to what La La wants. His wife matters? No kidding.

I'll 'take that over "final decision comes down to money". LaLa has been recruited by Pip's wife.

[WindyCityBorn]

obviously the difference would be Rose, Noah, and Gibson are all better than Amare. Which was the only piece the knicks had really after the trade. So as long as your were able to keep those 3 in tact (noah, rose, Gibson). Plus keep a couple young role players like Snell and McDermott as well as bringing in JR smith. You would still have 7 or 8 rotational players. As well as being about to offer a FA the full MLE which would be a really nice player as well. You would have the makings of a 8 or 9 man rotation that looks pretty solid.

which is why Mirotic, Butler, and Picks should be on the table, IMO.

If the Knicks & Bulls ever agree on a S&T this will have to be it. It works for both teams.

thank you , it seems like the best common ground for both organizations.

Please stop polluting our forum with these terrible trade scenarios. I stopped reading the Knicks forum to get away from the delusional posts.

[DuckIII]

Knicks fans just think that since they got fleeced for Melo its only fair they fleece someone else. What they don't realize is that not every organization is as terrible as the Knicks are or were...

They also fail to realize this: Not getting Melo, keeping our stuff, and signing some of the many other very good secondary free agents out there, might even be the best option for the Bulls. The Bulls aren't in a position where signing Melo is a necessity. And he's definitely not worth gutting the team over. The Bulls assets are too good, and Melo isn't good enough, to do that.

[MGB8]

The sac pick is extremely heavily protected. And sending Boozer contract out (using last year GSW trade as an example took 2 1st's and 3 2nd's).

So lets say sending boozer out to a 3rd team would will take Your 2015 pick (swap with Cavs) + Sac Pick + a couple 2nd rounders (seems pretty fair).

Now S&T for Melo still would be required to get him his 20+ million (close if not 22 million). The trade would basically be Melo + JR for Mirotic, 2017 1st round pick, Butler, fillers. (seems pretty fair as well).

So if the knicks were willing to combine both trades to simplify the deal instead of going to a 3rd team and getting you the max for Melo in terms of the 125% trade kicker to send out more money in Melo's S&T.

The bulls would also get there exemptions and get to keep McDermott, Snell and bird rights to DJ Aug as well for depth purposes.

I think the point is the Bulls have other options and Bulls fans would prefer those other options and maybe so does our front office. It also depends on how big of a pay cut Melo is willing to take.

It is quite possible the Bulls could amnesty Boozer and trade Dunleavy and Randolph as a package to a team with cap space for next to nothing. That would allow Melo to start around 15 mil. If we dump Snell as well about 16.5 mil. At that point the Knicks have a choice as to weather or not call Melo's bluff on the pay decrease.

I think Knicks fans are working under the assumption Melo wants his 20 mil per year. I think Bulls fans are hoping he goes the same route as the Heatles and take less. Which way will Melo go...only Melo knows.

This.

If Melo wants money, he's staying with the Knicks. Period. Bulls can't compete with the Knicks dollars and aren't going to gut eveything because that defeats the purpose - having a contending team.

If Melo wants to win more than money, then the Knicks have very little leverage, though they probably will still get back a couple of first round picks just to give Melo more money and give the Bulls more financial flexibility.

[WindyCityBorn]

but lebron took less at one point to WIN WIN WIN. Maybe Melo does exactly that, follows Bron's lead. Seemed to work out OK for him, eh?

Less for LeBron was still 6 years/$110 million or so....not really comparable.

[waffle]

houston rockets beat writer on the Game:

- howard harden drexler will be part of pitch

- If they unload lin which he thinks they can cause its easy to give a guy away for nothing sometimes salary can start at around 17-17.5 If they unload a couple other players can get it up to 20 a year

if they can unload Lin then surely we can unload Booze. Lin is mostly just BAD

[mpharris36]

thank you , it seems like the best common ground for both organizations.

Please stop polluting our forum with these terrible trade scenarios. I stopped reading the Knicks forum to get away from the delusional posts.

If you don't think Mirotic Butler and picks is worth signing Melo to the max to make him happy then you obviously disagree in terms of how good Melo is.

That is fine. But he is worth that, trust me. If you get him you will see.

[gmoney411]

I think Houston will resign Parsons at any cost if they strike out on Melo too. I don't know what to think of Stephenson. He could be on the verge of being an all-star or he could end up being a really bad contract. I like Ariza because he is sharpshooter. Pierce would good if limited him to around 20 minutes a game and let him take games off so he'd be fresh for the playoffs.

Stephenson might be the guy to gamble on because we need a second creator and he is solid there. Pierce is cheaper though and he can create as well, plus would allow us to sign Mirotic this year.

The Rockets are likely matching any Parsons offer even if they get Melo. They could have had Parsons at under $1MM for another year so I highly doubt they let him become a RFA this year just to let him go to another team without something in return. The only way Parsons isn't in a Rockets jersey this year is if he is signed and traded to another team.

They cannot afford Parsons if they get Melo unless those will be the only 4 players on the team and he plays the same position as Melo. Both of them would get abused trying to play PF in the West.

If they agree with that thinking they plan on signing and trading him for someone like Lowry. There is just no way they pass up on having Parsons for under $1MM this year for no reason.