Wizards interested in Luol Deng

[dobrojim]

We're not going after Deng. It's either pure bunk or a smokescreen.

that's my take as well. If all the planets lined up exactly the right (or wrong) way, I could
see how it might happen. But I would say it's extremely unlikely. More likely is the idea that
we're only saying we're interested in order to panic another team who really is interested.

I like Ariza better. And I think Porter is a solid plan B.

don't see it happening

[pcbothwel]

Deng is the backup plan if Ariza doesn't work out



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... place-yet/

How is Deng even a slight possibility? The Wiz are over the cap. They can't give him over the MLE.

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

[Ruzious]

Deng is the backup plan if Ariza doesn't work out



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... place-yet/

How is Deng even a slight possibility? The Wiz are over the cap. They can't give him over the MLE.

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1317795

[Ruzious]

How is Deng even a slight possibility? The Wiz are over the cap. They can't give him over the MLE.

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

It's much more useful - at least potentially - to have the MLE than a few dollars of cap room.

[hands11]

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

It's much more useful - at least potentially - to have the MLE than a few dollars of cap room.

May as well front load that Gortat contract because MLE is MLE.

Then we are after the min salary players and maybe a trade.

[pcbothwel]

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

It's much more useful - at least potentially - to have the MLE than a few dollars of cap room.

Yeah, but if we use the MLE this year we cant next year as we'll up against the Tax.

[Ruzious]

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

It's much more useful - at least potentially - to have the MLE than a few dollars of cap room.

Yeah, but if we use the MLE this year we cant next year as we'll up against the Tax.

That's a big assumption. There are a lot of things that can and will happen before that becomes clear. And the lux tax limit will continue to go up - just as the salary cap will.

[pcbothwel]

It's much more useful - at least potentially - to have the MLE than a few dollars of cap room.

Yeah, but if we use the MLE this year we cant next year as we'll up against the Tax.

That's a big assumption. There are a lot of things that can and will happen before that becomes clear. And the lux tax limit will continue to go up - just as the salary cap will.

???Big assumption. There is no way Ted goes into the Lux tax this year. If we resign Ariza (I probably should have made this clear first) then we'll be at 74M and The MLE is 5.3M. Thats over 79M with a lux tax set at 77M...

[Ruzious]

Yeah, but if we use the MLE this year we cant next year as we'll up against the Tax.

That's a big assumption. There are a lot of things that can and will happen before that becomes clear. And the lux tax limit will continue to go up - just as the salary cap will.

???Big assumption. There is no way Ted goes into the Lux tax this year. If we resign Ariza (I probably should have made this clear first) then we'll be at 74M and The MLE is 5.3M. Thats over 79M with a lux tax set at 77M...

Are you playing Abbott or Costello?

[Kanyewest]

How is Deng even a slight possibility? The Wiz are over the cap. They can't give him over the MLE.

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

I don't think it makes much of difference to get someone like Deng, but couldn't the Wizards backload Gortat's contract?

[J-Ves]

Yeah, but if we use the MLE this year we cant next year as we'll up against the Tax.

That's a big assumption. There are a lot of things that can and will happen before that becomes clear. And the lux tax limit will continue to go up - just as the salary cap will.

???Big assumption. There is no way Ted goes into the Lux tax this year. If we resign Ariza (I probably should have made this clear first) then we'll be at 74M and The MLE is 5.3M. Thats over 79M with a lux tax set at 77M...

I think they will manage to stay under the lux tax this year even if they use the full MLE AND sign Ariza, but its defiantly going to be close. There won't be much room for error and even signing a guy to a 10 day contract during the season could be an issue. Alot depends on how much Seraphin is paid, as of right now I have him penciled in as a 3.9m rental, but its possible he is signed for less or signs somewhere else.

Nene, Webster, Gortat, Wall, Beal, Porter, Rice, and Miller combine for a salary of 58.5 million. Assuming the Wizards sign Ariza at a starting salary of 9 million, and use the full 5.3 million MLE on someone that brings the total to 72.8. Then add Seraphin 1 year rental (3.9m) and Gooden, Temple at minimum(2.5m) for a grand total of 75.3 for 13 players, just under the lux tax threshold.

[pcbothwel]

That's a big assumption. There are a lot of things that can and will happen before that becomes clear. And the lux tax limit will continue to go up - just as the salary cap will.

???Big assumption. There is no way Ted goes into the Lux tax this year. If we resign Ariza (I probably should have made this clear first) then we'll be at 74M and The MLE is 5.3M. Thats over 79M with a lux tax set at 77M...

Are you playing Abbott or Costello?

your confusing the hell out of me. We are at 63.8M, correct? Ariza is getting 9M in this market, correct?(probably 10-11M) The MLE is 5.3M, correct?
NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER has been given that Ted will go into the lux tax this season. So how do you use the MLE?

I may be misunderstanding what you were saying...

[Severn Hoos]

Seraphin hasn't accepted the QO, so it could still be rescinded. Also, I think only a portion of Gooden's min deal counts against the cap (and the league picks up some of the tab as well, saving Ted a few real dollars and not just cap dollars.) Those are offset by the minimum salaries that would be needed to fill out the roster. And of course, it's at least possible that Nene and/or Webster could be moved.

I'll be very surprised if the Wiz go over the Tax, even if they do sign Ariza and/or an MLE guy.

[hands11]

I was under the impression that the Wizards would have around $8 million of cap space when/if they renounce Ariza.

Nope, We are at the cap now.

Code: Select all

Nene             13,000,000
John Wall        13,701,250
Marcin Gortat    12,000,000
Martell Webster   5,381,750
Andre Miller      4,625,000
Bradley Beal      4,505,280
Otto Porter       4,470,480
Kevin Seraphin    3,898,692
Drew Gooden       1,448,490
Glen Rice           816,482
Total            63,847,424

I don't think it makes much of difference to get someone like Deng, but couldn't the Wizards backload Gortat's contract?

Absolutely.

[hands11]

Seraphin hasn't accepted the QO, so it could still be rescinded. Also, I think only a portion of Gooden's min deal counts against the cap (and the league picks up some of the tab as well, saving Ted a few real dollars and not just cap dollars.) Those are offset by the minimum salaries that would be needed to fill out the roster. And of course, it's at least possible that Nene and/or Webster could be moved.

I'll be very surprised if the Wiz go over the Tax, even if they do sign Ariza and/or an MLE guy.

Right. I think the league pick up 1/2 the min salaries

That's Temple, Gooden and Rice and whoever else we sign to the min.

And Gortat is early bird right. So they will scale up over 5 years. He isn't counting 12M this year.

He is going to start at like 10M

Wall 13,701,250
Beal 4,505,280
Webster 5,150,000
Miller 4,600,000
Temple 473,500
G Rice 816,482
TA 8,000,000
Otto 4,470,480
Nene 13,000,000
Gooden 724,000
Gortat 10,000,000
MLE 5,300,000

Wall/Miller/Temple ?
Beal/Glen Rice ?
TA/Otto/Webster
Nene/Gooden
Gortat

Plus MLE player/players

Thats 12 players at 70.7M
Luxury cap at 77M

Kevin $3,898,691 ?
Booker 2M ?

Its tight for sure.
TA starting at a lower number then 8M would help
So would using Booker 2M on a MLE better player
Or pulling Kevin S QO