Lin feeling disrespected?

[MaxRider]

At least they should have said something to Lin's agents about that. It's not like this isn't planned. Classless.

Just imagine that you're an employee and while you're on holidays, your boss makes an statement saying that they want another high profile employee to take your salary and they want to dump you.

Carmelo is no "taking" Lins salary. Lin will still be paid regardless if he gets traded or not.

You can't compare basketball to real world job. Trades is a part of sports business. Have you ever been traded from your job?

i guess you never went through some company buying your company or your department got canned and you either transfer to a different department or walk out the door
i once went through changing 3 big bosses in less than a year

[Vator]

No anger here- I actually don't care much- I'm calmly pointing out childish behavior. I'm not attacking you, just calling it as I see it. Whenever anyone says that someone is not a "true fan" and justifies mistreatment of others for being a fan of a player, you've gone to an immature place. You may be insulted by that, but it doesn't make it any less true.

So you would consider fans that root for your team only because of a single player true fans of that team? Then they no longer support said team after that player leaves. Those are true fans in your opinion? It is certainly possible to be a fan of a team and a fan of a player no doubt, but there are fans that only support that player and have no allegiance to the team whatsoever and only care about the player getting his stats. I was referring to that dynamic when talking about true fans as I've seen it up close with Tracy McGrady then Yao Ming and now Jeremy Lin.

I've never justified mistreatment of posters for being fans of a player. That isn't what I said. I have no idea how you even came to the conclusion that I was ok with posters insulting one another because of disagreements over Jeremy Lin. It is the complete opposite. What I have said is that I'm tired of it and I'm tired of people getting hostile in threads and "calling each other out" because of it. I'm tired of topics deteriorating into heated battles between Lin fans and people who don't like Lin. I actually like Lin as a person and as a player and have said so many times. That said, I will not miss being called names if I say something that certain members of his fan base don't agree with.

Initially in this thread, I said that it was frustrating that this wasn't an issue when it happened to Patrick Beverley last year and I'll stand by that. Whether or not it is the classiest thing to do as far as using a player's number to recruit a player that wears that particular number is up for debate, but they did it to a player last year and nobody blinked. Now it is headline news. I posted a video showing Howard wearing a 12 jersey in a video they used to recruit him. People like to point out that the circumstances are different because Lin is being mentioned in trade talks or whatever.

[zapatasblood]

No anger here- I actually don't care much- I'm calmly pointing out childish behavior. I'm not attacking you, just calling it as I see it. Whenever anyone says that someone is not a "true fan" and justifies mistreatment of others for being a fan of a player, you've gone to an immature place. You may be insulted by that, but it doesn't make it any less true.

So you would consider fans that root for your team only because of a single player true fans of that team? Then they no longer support said team after that player leaves. Those are true fans in your opinion? It is certainly possible to be a fan of a team and a fan of a player no doubt, but there are fans that only support that player and have no allegiance to the team whatsoever and only care about the player getting his stats. I was referring to that dynamic when talking about true fans as I've seen it up close with Tracy McGrady then Yao Ming and now Jeremy Lin.

I've never justified mistreatment of posters for being fans of a player. That isn't what I said. I have no idea how you even came to the conclusion that I was ok with posters insulting one another because of disagreements over Jeremy Lin. It is the complete opposite. What I have said is that I'm tired of it and I'm tired of people getting hostile in threads and "calling each other out" because of it. I'm tired of topics deteriorating into heated battles between Lin fans and people who don't like Lin. I actually like Lin as a person and as a player and have said so many times. That said, I will not miss being called names if I say something that certain members of his fan base don't agree with.

Initially in this thread, I said that it was frustrating that this wasn't an issue when it happened to Patrick Beverley last year and I'll stand by that. Whether or not it is the classiest thing to do as far as using a player's number to recruit a player that wears that particular number is up for debate, but they did it to a player last year and nobody blinked. Now it is headline news. I posted a video showing Howard wearing a 12 jersey in a video they used to recruit him. People like to point out that the circumstances are different because Lin is being mentioned in trade talks or whatever.

Case and point when the Asik trade thread somehow became about Lin. Or the many game threads that ended up about Lin for whatever reason win or lose

[NothingButLuck]

That stuff about "true" fans is honestly just childish and I would hope that mods wouldn't be making divisive comments like that but I understand that there is not a maturity threshold for RealGM posters or mods. Lin is not the divisive force- you are.

Once again you're just proving my point. Angry posting with insults and yet I've yet to insult a single person in this thread and I won't because that isn't what I do. I've given my opinion and yet I'm the "childish" one that lacks maturity when the Jeremy Lin supporters such as yourself come out and start bashing me for having a difference of opinion. This is just a microcosm of the exact problem that has plagued Rockets forum talk for the past 2 years.

You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "as the most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? You didn't even offer a single legitimate reason why this isn't disrespectful. Get off your high horse.

[MitchellUK]

Initially in this thread, I said that it was frustrating that this wasn't an issue when it happened to Patrick Beverley last year and I'll stand by that. Whether or not it is the classiest thing to do as far as using a player's number to recruit a player that wears that particular number is up for debate, but they did it to a player last year and nobody blinked. Now it is headline news. I posted a video showing Howard wearing a 12 jersey in a video they used to recruit him. People like to point out that the circumstances are different because Lin is being mentioned in trade talks or whatever.

I would hazard that people see it as less of a big deal with Beverley for the following reasons:

Howard's signing was not contingent on the Rockets getting rid of Patrick Beverley. Beverley had just finished a rookie campaign appearing in 41 games on a minimum deal. The Rockets didn't have to jettison his deal to sign Howard, they could quite easily sign both of them and sort out the jersey number issue later.

With Lin, it's not just about him being "mentioned in trade talks" - every man and his dog knows that if Carmelo Anthony wants to come to the Rockets they will first have to rid themselves of Lin. They are not mutually exclusive situations. For Houston it's one player or the other, there is no alternative. They are hyping the potential acquisition of a player who wears Lin's number, using a mock-up of said player in a Rockets uni wearing that number, knowing that Lin will have to be traded to make the mock-up a reality.

It shouldn't be up for debate. It's disrespectful - there's no other way to describe it.

[Vator]

You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? Get off your high horse.

No I didn't group all Lin fans. I said some and I'll stand by that as well on the basis of it being the truth. Some of his fans are indeed that. Go read the comments on JeremyLin.net

Overly sensitive. For example referring to Lin not playing in the 4th quarter of a game the Rockets win and people calling the coach a racist. Just one example of many, but I digress.

[Vator]

Initially in this thread, I said that it was frustrating that this wasn't an issue when it happened to Patrick Beverley last year and I'll stand by that. Whether or not it is the classiest thing to do as far as using a player's number to recruit a player that wears that particular number is up for debate, but they did it to a player last year and nobody blinked. Now it is headline news. I posted a video showing Howard wearing a 12 jersey in a video they used to recruit him. People like to point out that the circumstances are different because Lin is being mentioned in trade talks or whatever.

I would hazard that people see it as less of a big deal with Beverley for the following reasons:

Howard's signing was not contingent on the Rockets getting rid of Patrick Beverley. Beverley had just finished a rookie campaign appearing in 41 games on a minimum deal. The Rockets didn't have to jettison his deal to sign Howard, they could quite easily sign both of them and sort out the jersey number issue later.

With Lin, it's not just about him being "mentioned in trade talks" - every man and his dog knows that if Carmelo Anthony wants to come to the Rockets they will first have to rid themselves of Lin. They are not mutually exclusive situations. For Houston it's one player or the other, there is no alternative. They are hyping the potential acquisition of a player who wears Lin's number, using a mock-up of said player in a Rockets uni wearing that number, knowing that Lin will have to be traded to make the mock-up a reality.

It shouldn't be up for debate. It's disrespectful - there's no other way to describe it.

Good point

[Dantares]

this is like your boss showing a potential new employee your office while you stand in the background knowing you're about to lose your job if the new guy gets hired.

[NothingButLuck]

You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? Get off your high horse.

No I didn't group all Lin fans. I said some and I'll stand by that as well on the basis of it being the truth. Some of his fans are indeed that. Go read the comments on JeremyLin.net

You for sure didn't say some. Are you trying to pull a Rockets here?

I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life. True NY Knick fans and true Houston Rockets fans who were, are, and will continue to be fans of those teams whether or not Jeremy Lin is around know and whatever team he goes to next will eventually find out as well unless Lin is given the starting PG spot and plays significant minutes during the game and in the 4th quarter. Lin's mere presence on the team has been a divisive force within the internet fan base for various reasons. It started originally with him being compared to Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic by Rockets fans, his supporters insistence that he was one of the top PGs in the NBA and was being held back to which there was always some kind of statistical analysis to support this notion, and eventually spiraled into claims of things such as bullying by his teammates and racial discrimination. I'm just done. No offense to him. I think he is a good player and an even better person, but yeah...

And I also like the "I'm not trying to be disrespectful," just like other verbal tee-ups like "no offense, but," and "just saying."

[bklynstoops]

Initially in this thread, I said that it was frustrating that this wasn't an issue when it happened to Patrick Beverley last year and I'll stand by that. Whether or not it is the classiest thing to do as far as using a player's number to recruit a player that wears that particular number is up for debate, but they did it to a player last year and nobody blinked. Now it is headline news. I posted a video showing Howard wearing a 12 jersey in a video they used to recruit him. People like to point out that the circumstances are different because Lin is being mentioned in trade talks or whatever.

I would hazard that people see it as less of a big deal with Beverley for the following reasons:

Howard's signing was not contingent on the Rockets getting rid of Patrick Beverley. Beverley had just finished a rookie campaign appearing in 41 games on a minimum deal. The Rockets didn't have to jettison his deal to sign Howard, they could quite easily sign both of them and sort out the jersey number issue later.

With Lin, it's not just about him being "mentioned in trade talks" - every man and his dog knows that if Carmelo Anthony wants to come to the Rockets they will first have to rid themselves of Lin. They are not mutually exclusive situations. For Houston it's one player or the other, there is no alternative. They are hyping the potential acquisition of a player who wears Lin's number, using a mock-up of said player in a Rockets uni wearing that number, knowing that Lin will have to be traded to make the mock-up a reality.

It shouldn't be up for debate. It's disrespectful - there's no other way to describe it.

not to mention that they've been telling everyone and anyone that they already have a trade teed up to get rid of Lin should a FA want to sign there, but if they couldn't snag one, they'd keep Lin and make use of his services. And this is a guy that's been a pretty much a model citizen with all that's gone down there. It's not like Asik who refused to play once he got benched. Doesn't pay to be the nice guy.

[13th Man]

You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? Get off your high horse.

No I didn't group all Lin fans. I said some and I'll stand by that as well on the basis of it being the truth. Some of his fans are indeed that. Go read the comments on JeremyLin.net

Overly sensitive. For example referring to Lin not playing in the 4th quarter of a game the Rockets win and people calling the coach a racist. Just one example of many, but I digress.

Why would you frequent Jeremylin.net, I'm a big Lin fan and I don't even go there lol. It's no wonder you have a jaded point of view, hanging out at site dedicated to one guy, of course they're going to have an extreme and biased point of view. Heck I don't even go to Clutchfans anymore because of the poisonous atmosphere over there where the owner condones name calling and encourages wars between 2 factions. Even some long-time posters have called him out on his crap.

[East Bay Sports]

*insert lin pun here*

where are my And1s?

[inquisitive]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

[13th Man]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

Translation: It's standard practice that we're classless A-holes, get used to it.

[Vator]

You for sure didn't say some.

And I also like the "I'm not trying to be disrespectful," just like other verbal tee-ups like "no offense, but," and "just saying."

My apologies. I should have said some. I think I did in some of my other posts. Broad generalizations of any one group of people Is flat out wrong. As far as the other thing you've flagged me for, I think you're just taking what I'm trying to say wrong which could in part be my own fault.

[cold_cowboy]

does lin think he's a better player than melo? yawn.... he's been playing poorly, don't know where the butthurt is coming from.

[zapatasblood]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

Translation: It's standard practice that we're classless A-holes, get used to it.

The sporting world is ruthless. Owners, front office and fans.

[cold_cowboy]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

it's a perfectly reasonable statement.. it's more appalling that some of these players haven't figured this out yet.

[Vator]

Why would you frequent Jeremylin.net, I'm a big Lin fan and I don't even go there lol. It's no wonder you have a jaded point of view, hanging out at site dedicated to one guy, of course they're going to have an extreme and biased point of view. Heck I don't even go to Clutchfans anymore because of the poisonous atmosphere over there where the owner condones name calling and encourages wars between 2 factions. Even some long-time posters have called him out on his crap.

I don't frequent that site, but I used it because many of those posters or posters that share similar points of view as some of the people there, have at one time or another posted here or on Clutchfans and the results have been as you said yourself, poisonous. I never meant to insinuate that all Jeremy Lin fans are extreme and biased, but enough of them made their way onto Houston Rockets fan forums and stirred up enough ill will to turn lots of people against Jeremy Lin simply because of the way they conducted themselves. I've always felt bad for Lin because of this.

[13th Man]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

it's a perfectly reasonable statement.. it's more appalling that some of these players haven't figured this out yet.

Damage control is what it is. Woj already caught them lying, now they're trying to cover up their cover up.