Lin feeling disrespected?

[HeartSouloma]

Either way it's still a disrespect to Lin. I hope everything works out well for the guy.

He's humble.

[junot111]

You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? Get off your high horse.

No I didn't group all Lin fans. I said some and I'll stand by that as well on the basis of it being the truth. Some of his fans are indeed that. Go read the comments on JeremyLin.net

Overly sensitive. For example referring to Lin not playing in the 4th quarter of a game the Rockets win and people calling the coach a racist. Just one example of many, but I digress.

Why would you frequent Jeremylin.net, I'm a big Lin fan and I don't even go there lol. It's no wonder you have a jaded point of view, hanging out at site dedicated to one guy, of course they're going to have an extreme and biased point of view. Heck I don't even go to Clutchfans anymore because of the poisonous atmosphere over there where the owner condones name calling and encourages wars between 2 factions. Even some long-time posters have called him out on his crap.

Yeah, I go to clutch fans because it keeps me up to date on Rockets news, but sometimes the hate on there is ridiculous... and I'll admit there are certain fans that spout non-sense about Lin being better than Harden, etc. but if you don't like them just ban them... but instead you have posts like this that are allowed:

LOL. Do you live in the world of Disney? Winners win, loser ... who gives a **** about them. They're irrelevant. Lin is a bitch, and he'll continue to get railroaded because he's got the mentality of one. I suggest some of you LOFs get a ****ing clue and hop off his jock.

[cold_cowboy]

Daryl Morey:

It's always a challenging situation during free agency. You are always having to recruit players and there might be current players at current positions, might be people with the current numbers. It's unfortunate that it's often hard to handle. Reality is it's standard practice. When we went after Chris Bosh a few years ago, we had him in Luis Scola's number. When we went after Dwight Howard he had [Patrick] Beverley's number. I get the sensitivity and I hate that it creates some hurt feelings. I don't like that, but that's obviously Carmelo Anthony's number, that's the number he wants. He told us that. Bottomline, if Carmelo comes Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin have to be traded. It's just math. It's not personal. My job is every day [to] figure out how to win. Sometimes it creates challenging situations.

it's a perfectly reasonable statement.. it's more appalling that some of these players haven't figured this out yet.

Damage control is what it is. Woj already caught them lying, now they're trying to cover up their cover up.

i'd care more if he played a strong season. he finished april well, but playoffs and the rest of the year didn't scale well for him.

[13th Man]

Why would you frequent Jeremylin.net, I'm a big Lin fan and I don't even go there lol. It's no wonder you have a jaded point of view, hanging out at site dedicated to one guy, of course they're going to have an extreme and biased point of view. Heck I don't even go to Clutchfans anymore because of the poisonous atmosphere over there where the owner condones name calling and encourages wars between 2 factions. Even some long-time posters have called him out on his crap.

I don't frequent that site, but I used it because many of those posters or posters that share similar points of view as some of the people there, have at one time or another posted here or on Clutchfans and the results have been as you said yourself, poisonous. I never meant to insinuate that all Jeremy Lin fans are extreme and biased, but enough of them made their way onto Houston Rockets fan forums and stirred up enough ill will to turn lots of people against Jeremy Lin simply because of the way they conducted themselves. I've always felt bad for Lin because of this.

Point taken. There will always be some form of bias from both sides and and I admit to being pro-Lin as well. I appreciate realgm because its not as hostile as some other sites. The only reason why I "berated" you is because of your position as moderator where you're "supposed" to be more neutral but if you're speaking as a fan then you should be free to express your opinion. I haven't witnessed any abuse of authority from you in the Rockets forum in terms of biased moderating so I really don't have any issues with you personally.

[bklynstoops]

Yeah, I go to clutch fans because it keeps me up to date on Rockets news, but sometimes the hate on there is ridiculous... and I'll admit there are certain fans that spout non-sense about Lin being better than Harden, etc. but if you don't like them just ban them... but instead you have posts like this that are allowed:

LOL. Do you live in the world of Disney? Winners win, loser ... who gives a **** about them. They're irrelevant. Lin is a bitch, and he'll continue to get railroaded because he's got the mentality of one. I suggest some of you LOFs get a ****ing clue and hop off his jock.

damn, Morey posts on clutchfans?

[TaylorMonkey]

That's seriously messed up. How linsulting...

I am lincredulous.

Anyway, I think billboards of players who aren't on the team are ridiculous.

Pictures of them holding NBA trophies they've never won is even more so.

Have the Rockets no shame?

[cold_cowboy]

Either way it's still a disrespect to Lin. I hope everything works out well for the guy.

He's humble.

yeah, he'll still be in the league and probably in even a better position than now assuming he's moved. from the beginning, the rockets signing wasn't solely based on performance and i think most people realize that. lin got his 15 minutes as the face of the league and got a nice pay day. he's a decent player, but to be upset is him over-valuing himself currently as a player. continue to be professional as to not ruin your chances for the future.

[Froob]

Why is Houston Clutch city? Only 2 championships...

[red96]

Why is Houston Clutch city? Only 2 championships...

Do your research youngster, because it has everything to do with those two championships.

[tbytc]

Either way it's still a disrespect to Lin. I hope everything works out well for the guy.

He's humble.

yeah, he'll still be in the league and probably in even a better position than now assuming he's moved. from the beginning, the rockets signing wasn't solely based on performance and i think most people realize that. lin got his 15 minutes as the face of the league and got a nice pay day. he's a decent player, but to be upset is him over-valuing himself currently as a player. continue to be professional as to not ruin your chances for the future.

where the **** overvaluing himself came from?
He even accepted giving up the starting position for Beverly and didn't say anything.
Are we talking about Asik or Lin here?

[tbytc]

Why is Houston Clutch city? Only 2 championships...

Do your research youngster, because it has everything to do with those two championships.

Yah after those 2 championships and Olajuwon Era, they just made it to second round once for the last 15 years and 8 years missing playoff.
So clutch.

[TaylorMonkey]

For real though, anybody think the situation with how Lin is constantly treated is related to passive racism by the team and the media? Is a coincidence that Lin continually finds himself getting the shaft by his teammates, the media and possibly by the coach even though he's a fairly decent NBA player?

As an Asian American guy I have trouble picturing this happening to say.. a European international player. And Lin is really an American too. It sucks that he seems to always be the universe's permanent whipping boy. He seems to be turning that cheek all the damn time.

I'm not one to encourage playing the race card, but your observations do make me think. In full disclosure, I'm Asian myself.

What's a little messed up is that Lin was pretty much signed for his ethnicity (yes, he can play, but don't pretend his signing and ridiculous contract wasn't a giant Chinese-related marketing move). Ever since they got Harden, rather than the fan-favorite marketing star he was set up to be, he's been increasingly nudged aside like an old toy.

I say this as someone who actually thinks him coming off the bench is a sound basketball idea, because Harden is a ball stopper and Dwight doesn't wanna pick and roll. It feels like there's an ethnic exploitation angle here, but hey, it's a business.

I do have to say that given how Asik was treated, the billboard thing might not be a race issue but more a Rockets-are-just-massive-douches issue.

*insert lin pun here*

where are my And1s?

They are lincoming.

[KL78192020]

it's a perfectly reasonable statement.. it's more appalling that some of these players haven't figured this out yet.

Damage control is what it is. Woj already caught them lying, now they're trying to cover up their cover up.

i'd care more if he played a strong season. he finished april well, but playoffs and the rest of the year didn't scale well for him.

i concur, and this is the exact reason Lebron should never get hate. Lebron did what was best for him, just like Morey is doing.

When a player gets cut/traded etc. The GM gets praise, when a player as a free agent takes the initiative to move on he gets hate, double standard.

[cold_cowboy]

Either way it's still a disrespect to Lin. I hope everything works out well for the guy.

He's humble.

yeah, he'll still be in the league and probably in even a better position than now assuming he's moved. from the beginning, the rockets signing wasn't solely based on performance and i think most people realize that. lin got his 15 minutes as the face of the league and got a nice pay day. he's a decent player, but to be upset is him over-valuing himself currently as a player. continue to be professional as to not ruin your chances for the future.

where the **** overvaluing himself came from?
He even accepted giving up the starting position for Beverly and didn't say anything.
Are we talking about Asik or Lin here?

simply because he's quoting bible verses and voicing his unhappiness due to another player with the same number. does he feel like the rockets are supposed to retire that number? it's a number. the rockets gave him a nice salary and the reigns to the starting point guard position after releasing two point guards that they probably wish they kept. they allowed him to prove whether that linsanity ordeal was real or not and it proved otherwise, now he's on the trading block and he's unhappy? he got his shot, there are many who don't.

i see no disrespect here, only how the game is played.

[tbytc]

yeah, he'll still be in the league and probably in even a better position than now assuming he's moved. from the beginning, the rockets signing wasn't solely based on performance and i think most people realize that. lin got his 15 minutes as the face of the league and got a nice pay day. he's a decent player, but to be upset is him over-valuing himself currently as a player. continue to be professional as to not ruin your chances for the future.

where the **** overvaluing himself came from?
He even accepted giving up the starting position for Beverly and didn't say anything.
Are we talking about Asik or Lin here?

simply because he's quoting bible verses and voicing his unhappiness due to another player with the same number. does he feel like the rockets are supposed to retire that number? it's a number. the rockets gave him a nice salary and the reigns to the starting point guard position after releasing two point guards that they probably wish they kept. they allowed him to prove whether that linsanity ordeal was real or not and it proved otherwise, now he's on the trading block and he's unhappy? he got his shot, there are many who don't.

i see no disrespect here, only how the game is played.

Giving his number to a player who aren't even coming for sure is totally different from retiring that number.
No one here is claiming about retiring that number here.
And what does the rest you said have anything to do with the things happened today?
The point is Lin isn't upset about he is on the trading block, in fact he publicly said he knows and he is fine he is on trading block.

[spaceballer]

yeah, he'll still be in the league and probably in even a better position than now assuming he's moved. from the beginning, the rockets signing wasn't solely based on performance and i think most people realize that. lin got his 15 minutes as the face of the league and got a nice pay day. he's a decent player, but to be upset is him over-valuing himself currently as a player. continue to be professional as to not ruin your chances for the future.

where the **** overvaluing himself came from?
He even accepted giving up the starting position for Beverly and didn't say anything.
Are we talking about Asik or Lin here?

simply because he's quoting bible verses and voicing his unhappiness due to another player with the same number. does he feel like the rockets are supposed to retire that number? it's a number. the rockets gave him a nice salary and the reigns to the starting point guard position after releasing two point guards that they probably wish they kept. they allowed him to prove whether that linsanity ordeal was real or not and it proved otherwise, now he's on the trading block and he's unhappy? he got his shot, there are many who don't.

i see no disrespect here, only how the game is played.

Then why did they feel the need to lie about it to Woj and get caught redhanded in their lie by Woj? They could have avoided all of this just by being professional and had the respect and courtesy to at least give Lin a heads up about using his number in the promo stuff. Instead of being forced to lie to Woj to cover their tracks and now doing damage control.

The Rockets screwed up. I'm sure Morey would rather be dealing with happy questions about free agency and potential prospects and signings, rather than have to go out and do a damage control speech over this PR flub after their attempt to lie to Woj failed.

[red32]

Why is Houston Clutch city? Only 2 championships...

You know what happens when you step on the clutch? Too bad that they don't have a next gear.

[EntropyPR]

I've never been a fan of Lin and hated the whole Linsanity bull but man Rocket's management is full of idiots pulling that off.

[TommyTBolt]

you can really tell the people who actually played team sports and those that didn't in this thread. When you are on a team your number is yours until you "give it", "sell it", or get traded / cut / retire whatever. This is pretty much standard in American Sports. In football / baseball you see it all the time players buying, selling, trading numbers. It never matters "who is better", the guy that has it has it, and you have to get him to give it to you or pick another number. Seniority and Skill are completely different. Seniority is rewarded with your number, Skill with your contract. It's accepted Melo is a better player than Lin, however, if your the Rockets tell Melo you are going to trade Lin, tell him the number is his, don't broadcast it to the world like that. Hugely disrespectful. Melo will get 80 million more in his contract than Lin, thats his reward for being a better player. Don't justify it and warp what is right because you don't like Lin, or because you want Melo, or because you think Melo was unfairly raked over the coals during Linsanity (because he was, but it was never Lins fault so don't FAULT him for that).

PS : Racism has nothing to do with it. I am SO SICK of hearing about racism. GTF over it and stop making excuses. Like me and my brother were talking about tonight, back in the 20/30s people would literally line up looking for work waiting for someone to DIE on the job to get a minimum wage equivalent job and you got people trying to play the race card because a guy making 8 mil a year or whatever is getting "disrespected". Yea he is getting disrespected like **** but hes the one that signed his own CONTRACT with the Rockets, he signed up for it he's not working off the books / without insurance / getting spit on or "racially / sexually" abused by his coworkers or boss. He gets **** on because he is ASIAN BECAUSE IT ADDS TO HIS FANS, SAME WAY BEING A CHRISTIAN WORKS FOR HIM, OR TEBOW, it makes FAN INFLATE HIS VALUE, WHICH LEADS TO TEAMS MAKING BEING DISRESPECTFUL BECAUSE THEY ARE BATTLING FAN EXPECTATIONS AND MEDIA VIEWS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE RACIST. His race may be a root cause but that doesn't make it "Racist" but people throw the word around all the time. Of course alot of drones can't think logically or abstractly about the values and just scream racism anytime a minority is on the **** end of something because they are trained to like little dogs but I can't just let it pass because its one of the biggest problems in this country (USA) / the world.

[markdeez33]

Should've stayed with the Knicks, Jeremy. You were a God in NY!!

Not Lin's fault Knicks didn't match the contract.

No one in their right minds would've matched that abomination of a contract!