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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#461 » by spaceballer » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:08 am

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spaceballer wrote:Then why did they feel the need to lie about it to Woj and get caught redhanded in their lie by Woj? They could have avoided all of this just by being professional and had the respect and courtesy to at least give Lin a heads up about using his number in the promo stuff. Instead of being forced to lie to Woj to cover their tracks and now doing damage control.

The Rockets screwed up. I'm sure Morey would rather be dealing with happy questions about free agency and potential prospects and signings, rather than have to go out and do a damage control speech over this PR flub after their attempt to lie to Woj failed.

nobody cares what executives say.

everybody cares what players say.

ask a casual fan who jeremy lin is and ask a casual fan who daryl morey is, you can guess the responses. and i agree with you, they could have avoided this by just telling jeremy, obviously tried to cover it up and failed, but nobody will care. nobody is going to fire daryl for that, but teams might view jeremy differently after he publicly shows dissatisfaction in something that is typical for the business.


You're mixing up your logic and conflating your audiences. It's a confused mess of logic and conflation. You begin by talking about the general public, and end by talking about team executives.

"Nobody cares what executives say"? Then what is the point of all these free agency talks? Obviously the players are listening during these pitches and do care what the executives say. As noted by Morey himself during the Dwight free agency negotiations, Morey said that players are getting smarter and making free agency choices that consider the owners as well as the rest of the organization (which certainly includes the executives put in the front office). So your statement is self-evidently false. Heck, who even knows if today's PR flap played any role in Lowry's calculus to not rejoin Houston.

Next you move onto talk about the general public and who they know or don't know. The general public probably doesn't know 80% of the players in the NBA.

Finally, you say that teams might view him differently in light of expressing any ounce of dissatisfaction. I'm sure teams (executives and not the general public, I'm assuming?) consider much more than this (you know, such as his actual play). And if you examine the actual substance of the complaint, considering the fact that the Rockets didn't even have the respect to inform him about the use of his number beforehand till he learned about it and was ambushed by pictures in the news, the mild tweeting of a bible verse is nothing like the twitter rampages of Royce White or TWill. All in all, I'd consider it rather graceful, especially when he attempted to tamp down the outrage expressed on his behalf by one of his fans on twitter, by resorting to more bible platitudes.

Lin comes off like a gracious prince in those bible comments, not a twitter rampaging Royce White crusader. The general NBA public (minus some rather homer Rockets fans unwilling to examine their organization's failure here) seems to be firmly on his side, judging by the respondents on this thread and other places like reddit. You've got forum posters and fans of every other team standing up for Lin.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#462 » by Th3RaptorSwag » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:10 am

Lin has every right to feel disrespected.

They could've at least consulted him first.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#463 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:10 am

MaxRider wrote:
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but Kobe #8 is not retired yet
he just change it to his high school #24

so when you go recruit Chris Bosh are you going to use #1 or #4?
same for Kyle Lowry are you going to use #7 or #1? (he wear #1 in college and in Memphis)

Those were willing # changes they did for no reason.

Melo's wasn't.

As for Kyle I'm using #15 since that's apparently what he's going to wear next year.

Lowry changed to #7 in Houston because McGrady is wearing #1
he actually wear #3 first in Toronto (Barganani has #7) then change it back to #7 after Bargnani is traded


Then you go with #1.

It makes sense & it's nice default number that nobody can get mad even if it was already being used.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#464 » by baki » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:10 am

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IronicMan wrote:You claimed you're not being divisive while calling other people overly sensitive and grouping all Lin's fans "most rabid fans you've ever seen in my life" while people from different fanbases see this as disrespectful? Get off your high horse.


No I didn't group all Lin fans. I said some and I'll stand by that as well on the basis of it being the truth. Some of his fans are indeed that. Go read the comments on JeremyLin.net

Overly sensitive. For example referring to Lin not playing in the 4th quarter of a game the Rockets win and people calling the coach a racist. Just one example of many, but I digress.


Why would you frequent Jeremylin.net, I'm a big Lin fan and I don't even go there lol. It's no wonder you have a jaded point of view, hanging out at site dedicated to one guy, of course they're going to have an extreme and biased point of view. Heck I don't even go to Clutchfans anymore because of the poisonous atmosphere over there where the owner condones name calling and encourages wars between 2 factions. Even some long-time posters have called him out on his crap.


Haha!!! That was his problem? I don't post there either but I can understand why someone like him would not like it because some of those guys on that site actually know what they're talking about and would make a good argument against the trolls that get on it to defend Harden, McHale and Beverley.

I don't think he realises that Lin also has a lot of female fans, of course they're going to be more diehard than the rest of us :lol:

Vator wrote:I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life.


I'm just surprised for a guy who comes from Clutchfans would say something like this when some of the most offensive and rabid fans come from there. I wonder why...
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#465 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:11 am

Th3RaptorSwag wrote:Lin has every right to feel disrespected.

They could've at least consulted him first.

Exactly

If they just asked him none of this would be an issue & I highly doubt Lin would say no.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#466 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:12 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:Those were willing # changes they did for no reason.

Melo's wasn't.

As for Kyle I'm using #15 since that's apparently what he's going to wear next year.

Lowry changed to #7 in Houston because McGrady is wearing #1
he actually wear #3 first in Toronto (Barganani has #7) then change it back to #7 after Bargnani is traded


Then you go with #1.

It makes sense & it's nice default number that nobody can get mad even if it was already being used.

Canaan is wearing #1 in Houston
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#467 » by spaceballer » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:15 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:Wait the Asik trade to NO didn't go through yet?


They have the trade agreement in place, but I don't think they've put in the trade call with the league office to make it official yet. The last I heard, NO still needed to move some other pieces around to make room for Asik under the cap.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#468 » by Zubby » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:16 am

Isn't this like saying "OMG the Suns just drafted a PG... Dragic & Bledsoe are being disrespected!" Everyone puts up billboards when recruiting guys Dallas(haven't seen there billboard yet) and Chicago did it, I sure the Lakers will do it too. Teams do this every year and i'm sure this isn't the 1st time this has happened, (3rd time with the Rockets, 1st time anyone gave a damn).


Sometimes I feel bad for players like when they get traded mid-game, mid-flight then gotta stop what they are doing and leave. Or when they get traded and no one tells them, and this happens all the time.
Can't feel bad over a damn number, not that serious.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#469 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:18 am

MaxRider wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Lowry changed to #7 in Houston because McGrady is wearing #1
he actually wear #3 first in Toronto (Barganani has #7) then change it back to #7 after Bargnani is traded


Then you go with #1.

It makes sense & it's nice default number that nobody can get mad even if it was already being used.

Canaan is wearing #1 in Houston


if you're going to use anybody's number without permission then it's definetly a 2nd round pick rookie that averaged less than 5ppg.

JLin on the other hand is your commercial superstar & probably biggest money maker on the team.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#470 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:20 am

Zubby wrote:Isn't this like saying "OMG the Suns just drafted a PG... Dragic & Bledsoe are being disrespected!" Everyone puts up billboards when recruiting guys Dallas(haven't seen there billboard yet) and Chicago did it, I sure the Lakers will do it too. Teams do this every year and i'm sure this isn't the 1st time this has happened, (3rd time with the Rockets, 1st time anyone gave a damn).


Sometimes I feel bad for players like when they get traded mid-game, mid-flight then gotta stop what they are doing and leave. Or when they get traded and no one tells them, and this happens all the time.
Can't feel bad over a damn number, not that serious.

MCW did feel disrespected after 76ers drafted a PG in top 10 so it's not as ridiculous as you're implying.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#471 » by baki » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:22 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
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tbytc wrote:So it became a tradition?

Melo is wearing #7
you want him to feel like home so you put him in #7 jersey
how will he feel if he see he's wearing #8?

if Morey is recruiting LeBron James and put him in Rockets #6 jersey
do you think Terrence Jones will have problem with it?


what are you even talking about, 15 is Melo's number, has been in college and his entire nba career up until Knicks where he had to choose a different number since it was retired.

So it's not like they had no other alternative, hell they could have also went with #22 (his high school #) to personalize, but what makes it THAT bad is acquiring Melo would mean Lin would have to be moved, he's being pushed out, everyone knows this, and to wear his number.

Completely different than the other scenarios you listed.


Haha, good job :lol:
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#472 » by Zubby » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:24 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:JLin on the other hand is your commercial superstar & probably biggest money maker on the team.

Based on what? Saying **** like that then leads people to say "Lin is only valuable because he brings in money"
Which is not true based on the numbers made public. Also there is a guy named Dwight Howard who plays here.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#473 » by Zubby » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:26 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
Zubby wrote:Isn't this like saying "OMG the Suns just drafted a PG... Dragic & Bledsoe are being disrespected!" Everyone puts up billboards when recruiting guys Dallas(haven't seen there billboard yet) and Chicago did it, I sure the Lakers will do it too. Teams do this every year and i'm sure this isn't the 1st time this has happened, (3rd time with the Rockets, 1st time anyone gave a damn).


Sometimes I feel bad for players like when they get traded mid-game, mid-flight then gotta stop what they are doing and leave. Or when they get traded and no one tells them, and this happens all the time.
Can't feel bad over a damn number, not that serious.

MCW did feel disrespected after 76ers drafted a PG in top 10 so it's not as ridiculous as you're implying.

MCW caught feelings so this is all justifiable... where was his 20 page thread?
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#474 » by spaceballer » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:28 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
Th3RaptorSwag wrote:Lin has every right to feel disrespected.

They could've at least consulted him first.

Exactly

If they just asked him none of this would be an issue & I highly doubt Lin would say no.


They didn't even have to ask him for consent. All he wanted was probably the decency and respect of being informed about it first, instead of learning about it when ambushed by pictures in the press. Which of course lead to the emotional reaction of tweeting a bible verse (subdued as such reactions go), his go to for comfort in religion whenever he's upset.

The fact that the Rockets then lied to Woj about it and got exposed by Woj probably made it worse. That was a doubly scummy thing to do. First not inform Lin and ambush him with pictures in the press, then lie about Lin knowing it to Woj, only to have Woj expose the Rockets as liars. To not just disrespect a player, but to then try to lie about that player and use him as a fig leaf to cover up your own self-inflicted PR disaster. SMH.

The stupid thing is that the Rockets are doing this to themselves, on the day when they would rather the press attention be positive over free agency when guys like Lowry and Melo are considering them. Instead, Woj caught them lying and Morey is on a damage control press bit. If Lowry was on the fence at all, surely this flap exposing a duplicitous and incompetent FO operation would have encouraged him to accept the Toronto offer. Especially if it reinforced Lowry's own experiences of being treated like an asset and cog by Morey the first time around.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#475 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:28 am

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KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:JLin on the other hand is your commercial superstar & probably biggest money maker on the team.

Based on what? Saying **** like that then leads people to say "Lin is on valuabe because he brings in money"
Which is true based on the public numbers. Also there is a guy named Dwight Howard who plays here.


Yeah you got a team now but when JLin signed along with Asik he was one of your best players.

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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#476 » by Effigy » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:31 am

Linn is a bench player making $15 million next year. Who cares how he feels? I'm sure Houston will tear up his contract if he wants to do it.
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Post#477 » by KI-DW-TT-AB » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:31 am

Zubby wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
Zubby wrote:Isn't this like saying "OMG the Suns just drafted a PG... Dragic & Bledsoe are being disrespected!" Everyone puts up billboards when recruiting guys Dallas(haven't seen there billboard yet) and Chicago did it, I sure the Lakers will do it too. Teams do this every year and i'm sure this isn't the 1st time this has happened, (3rd time with the Rockets, 1st time anyone gave a damn).


Sometimes I feel bad for players like when they get traded mid-game, mid-flight then gotta stop what they are doing and leave. Or when they get traded and no one tells them, and this happens all the time.
Can't feel bad over a damn number, not that serious.

MCW did feel disrespected after 76ers drafted a PG in top 10 so it's not as ridiculous as you're implying.

MCW caught feelings so this is all justifiable... where was his 20 page thread?


As far as 6ers go it was part of the trade, Morey's a great GM & I respect what he does, I also like Rockets as a team, but he does his job as it's a video game & that **** was going to catch up to him either way.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#478 » by EddieJonesFan » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:46 am

pass first wrote:
EddieJonesFan wrote:Why is "turn the other cheek" supposed to be a virtue? Sounds like just the mantra of a perpetual doormat.

Because the alternative is retaliation. Christians are commanded to love and pray for their enemies, not fight them.

Whether the consequence is that they´d become systematic victims, as you put it perpetual doormats, is besides the point.


So there's only lie there and take it, and "retaliation" (a more balanced way of putting it would be defending yourself)? And you set up another false dichotomy of love your enemies and fight them. You can do neither you know. Loving your enemy is stupid, it's not virtuous.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#479 » by WesleyExChiFan » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:49 am

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wesleybullsfan wrote:
Harden2Dwight wrote:
So Lin is the definition of a PG? He is overrated and LOF's like you overrated. I would rather have Beverley and his defense than Lin 10 times out of 10.


He plays under control, drives to the cup, hits the open man, can knock down the open shot. Does a good job running the offense and running the break. He's not your textbook PG, but he fits the bill.

There's a reason Linsanity happened, because he ran D'Antoni's system and it worked. It only works if the players buy in though, which didn't happen with Melo or Kobe. Suprising, I know.

Wat.

Lin plays under control? That's the last thing he does. Lin is anything but a point guard who plays under point control. His main weapon is attacking the basket relentlessly either with his good first step or with the pick and roll. Sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it fails generally because he tries to do too much.
well, I guess I got the wrong impression. He looked good when I was watching.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#480 » by Zubby » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:57 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
As far as 6ers go it was part of the trade, Morey's a great GM & I respect what he does, I also like Rockets as a team, but he does his job as it's a video game & that **** was going to catch up to him either way.

meh its just sports, the funny thing is wasn't it a New York media that 1st drummed this up. Then came the tweets, and fan rage.
Once again no one gave a damn in all the previous years of this happening to other players.

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