Trade Ideas Thread

[RickyDizzle]

Monroe wants Smith out of town, getting smith would allow us to sign rondo to an extension. He had a terrible year last year but is still a talented player and a young guy.

Josh smith and lotto protected 1st

For

Wallace and bass

Who says no? Celtics cap situation takes a hit, but they make rondo happy, get rid of useless Wallace and his contract, and they move bass for a better rim protector.

Rondo
Avery
Green
Smith
Kelly or sully

Dizzy

[campybatman]

Personally, I wouldn't accept that offer if I were Ainge. How many times will non-Celtic fans offer Smith to Boston? If Rondo weren't a Celtic, would Detroit or fans of other teams still offer him to Boston?

I don't want any part of Smith's albatross contract. I mean, Ainge has enough on his plate with the unwanted contracts of Wallace, Green and Anthony. Not to mention, you overpay for Bradley.

No, thank you.

[greengoggles]

With OKC reportedly interested in Pau, what do you guys think about bringing Perk back for a year? Send over the Pierce TPE for Perk + a pick?

Despite being a terrible basketball player, Perk would fill an immediate need: he's a big body who can set picks, kind of defend the 5, and allow Sully and Kelly to play the 4. He's also an expiring contract, a fan favorite, a good locker room guy and Rondo's bff.

[darrendaye]

Could the Celts get involved in helping all interested parties in a Gasol to the Thunder deal? I'm thinking...

LA S&T Gasol to Thunder, Perk to C's, TPE to Lakers. Do the Celts need to send something else out under CBA, would be my only question. But I think it helps all parties to facilitate.

Gasol gets a deal that can start at $10 million or so....

Thunder get to get out of Perk's contract and slide Gasol into Perk's salary slot, keep their MLE, and aids in staying away from tax threshold......

Lakers get, at minimum, a TPE that they could use for 1 year if they load up this off-season and use their full cap space going out. Might be sent a pick....

Celts get, at minimum, a vet rim protector whose benefit in the lineup will be to make everyone look better defensively. They also get to make use of a trade asset. Outside chance of getting a pick too.

EDIT: Great minds think alike. LOL.

[DoubleHappiness]

With OKC reportedly interested in Pau, what do you guys think about bringing Perk back for a year? Send over the Pierce TPE for Perk + a pick?

Despite being a terrible basketball player, Perk would fill an immediate need: he's a big body who can set picks, kind of defend the 5, and allow Sully and Kelly to play the 4. He's also an expiring contract, a fan favorite, a good locker room guy and Rondo's bff.

Why not? We're going to be bad anyway, might as well let the youngins develop.

Not like Fav is going to be in shape enough to run up and down the court more than three times in a row, dude gets winded throwing outlet passes (damn good outlet passes though).

Rondo's happy. Perk's happy and expiring. Guys are joking and playing loose.

Boston Celtics Basketball 2014: "We might suck, but our pizza parties are the best!"

[darrendaye]

Personally, I wouldn't accept that offer if I were Ainge. How many times will non-Celtic fans offer Smith to Boston? If Rondo weren't a Celtic, would Detroit or fans of other teams still offer him to Boston?

I don't want any part of Smith's albatross contract. I mean, Ainge has enough on his plate with the unwanted contracts of Wallace, Green and Anthony. Not to mention, you overpay for Bradley.

No, thank you.

Agree with most of this sentiment. I might consider a Green for Smith swap if it meant getting another asset back. Detroit can likely find a deal elsewhere that will look at Smith as more than a salary dump at this point and thus the packages probably are more appealing. But in Detroit's situation, Green for Smith swap would be a godsend on two fronts (fit and salary burden relief). I think Smith is beneficial to the defense and his chemistry with Rondo might lead to smarter offense, but I'm not going to take a 3 year stake in that happening without getting something else in exchange.

EDIT: Didn't see the proposed deal this responded to, to be honest. Bass and Wallace? I don't think Detroit entertains that deal, I have to believe teams still consider Wallace's contract toxic. I'm not sure Smith's one turrrrible season puts him anywhere near that level. Dumars was the ONLY person who couldn't fathom why Smith and Drummond was a poor idea.

[RickyDizzle]

Personally, I wouldn't accept that offer if I were Ainge. How many times will non-Celtic fans offer Smith to Boston? If Rondo weren't a Celtic, would Detroit or fans of other teams still offer him to Boston?

I don't want any part of Smith's albatross contract. I mean, Ainge has enough on his plate with the unwanted contracts of Wallace, Green and Anthony. Not to mention, you overpay for Bradley.

No, thank you.

I understand the response, but for the record I have always been and will always be a Celtic fan. I'm not a non Celtic fan trying to pawn off smith.

[Kenhov]

http://millcitysports.com/articles/4729-bradley-contract-may-be-just-the-beginning-for-ainge

[campybatman]

Personally, I wouldn't accept that offer if I were Ainge. How many times will non-Celtic fans offer Smith to Boston? If Rondo weren't a Celtic, would Detroit or fans of other teams still offer him to Boston?

I don't want any part of Smith's albatross contract. I mean, Ainge has enough on his plate with the unwanted contracts of Wallace, Green and Anthony. Not to mention, you overpay for Bradley.

No, thank you.

I understand the response, but for the record I have always been and will always be a Celtic fan. I'm not a non Celtic fan trying to pawn off smith.

For the record, I was speaking in general. Whether you're a Boston fan or not is beside the point. My point is, I'm tired of fans constantly making the suggestion of Josh Smith to Boston as if Boston fans have a desire for him or the acquisition will appease Rondo.

[SMTBSI]

Ok, I'm about to get myself drawn and quartered, but what the hey.


Boston Out:
- Gerald Wallace
- Keith Bogans et al
- Joel Anthony
Brooklyn Out:
- Joe Johnson
- 2017 Boston 2nd


The only reason I am even considering this is this:

IF you plan on riding out Wallace's contract, and you view him as bringing no real value to the team, then you're basically adding Joe Johnson for 13mil a year, for the same number of years - there was 10mil guaranteed of dead weight for two years anyway. Plus we get our 2nd back.

For Brooklyn, they've obviously shifted gears and Prokhorov is reportedly looking to cut payroll. They dump 9.2mil this year, and almost 15mil next year. IF KG retires, that gets them well below the lux tax.


We rag on Johnson, and rightly so, but he's a player with some value - it's just his contract that's the problem. Joe Johnson at 23.2mil is no good, but Johnson at 13mil actually seems perfectly fine to me.



EDIT: Plus, it would just be hilarious to send Wallace back to Brooklyn.

[rickrolled]

Here's an outside the box idea:

Chris Bosh to Boston (sign and trade)

Sullinger, Wallace, LAC pick to Miami

IF LeBron leaves the Heat.

Bosh looking at 5/90, I think we could offer him 4/75 or so ?

[Turgon]

Here's an idea I've been nurturing for some time that ties into what has been discussed.

1) Green, Bass (or Hump) for Monroe and filler.
Both would fit well with SVG' system. And we would get a nice young center that although not exactly a great defender still has room to develop. I actually believe SVG would rather trade Monroe than Josh Smith and move the later back to the PF position, replacing him with Green. Bass could provide quality backup minutes and fits very well in Detroit. Hump could also fill the same role.

2) The TPE + non-guaranteed contracts to Houston for Parsons and Lin.
Only possible if Morey needs more cap space to sign Melo and Phil doesn't want to accept that same package in a S&T. Might cost a pick.

These trades would get us over the cap but still under luxury tax territory.
I would also love to find a way to get Evan Turner in a S&T. Maybe if a portion of the TPE is left...

Rondo / Lin
Bradley / Smart
Parsons / Young
Sullinger / Olynyk
Monroe / Faverani

And if somehow Love is still in Minnesota by the trade dealine and our guys are doing well, we could still have a chance to get a deal done.

[SMTBSI]

1) Green, Bass (or Hump) for Monroe and filler.
Both would fit well with SVG' system. And we would get a nice young center that although not exactly a great defender still has room to develop. I actually believe SVG would rather trade Monroe than Josh Smith and move the later back to the PF position, replacing him with Green. Bass could provide quality backup minutes and fits very well in Detroit. Hump could also fill the same role.

The consensus I've been getting hammered with on the trade board is that, while some teams would take Green or Bass, no one is going to really give real assets for them. If the deal is Green and Bass for Monroe, Detroit just resigns Monroe and lives to fight another day, I think.



Continuing with the theme of semi-unpalatable, but probably more realistic targets (maybe this has come up already, but I didn't see it):

Right after New York swung that trade with Dallas, there was murmuring that they were trying to turn Dalembert right back around.

Sure he's 33, with no-good defense anymore, but he can't be worse than Kelly at defending the center spot. If we literally can't get anyone else of any impact, having a weak defensive C playing C is better than having a weak defensive PF playing C. Plus, he ain't making squat (3.9mil for one year), so it doesn't hurt us in the slightest moving forward. And, sure, there's that 'veteran presence' factor. To an extent.

Of course, the Knicks don't really have a pressing need to trade him, so we'd actually have to send them some kind of token asset.

[Turgon]

1) Green, Bass (or Hump) for Monroe and filler.
Both would fit well with SVG' system. And we would get a nice young center that although not exactly a great defender still has room to develop. I actually believe SVG would rather trade Monroe than Josh Smith and move the later back to the PF position, replacing him with Green. Bass could provide quality backup minutes and fits very well in Detroit. Hump could also fill the same role.

The consensus I've been getting hammered with on the trade board is that, while some teams would take Green or Bass, no one is going to really give real assets for them. If the deal is Green and Bass for Monroe, Detroit just resigns Monroe and lives to fight another day, I think.

Actually it doesn't need to be only that, you can sweeten it a bit with a pick or include Olynyk in the deal taking back Jerebko, for instance.
I honestly think it would be a good deal for Detroit - getting rid of one of their big guys is the right move and I believe Monroe doesn't fit well in their system. At least not as well as Josh Smith, who fits like a glove under Van Gundy.

[GhostofJizzbird]

I think Green will end up being one of the last shoes to drop. There are more than five teams going after the Lebron/Melo/Deng/Parsons/Ariza quintet - someone will be left out in the cold with playoff aspirations and a hole at SF, and Green may be the best guy available.

[165bows]

I think Green will end up being one of the last shoes to drop. There are more than five teams going after the Lebron/Melo/Deng/Parsons/Ariza quintet - someone will be left out in the cold with playoff aspirations and a hole at SF, and Green may be the best guy available.

Especially with the current contracts being thrown around, 2/18M doesn't seem particularly crazy right now. Detroit, Memphis, LA, and NO could all be added to the incumbent teams of the guys listed above, with a few others like Atlanta in the mix.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him just back on the roster next year though.

[GhostofJizzbird]

I think Green will end up being one of the last shoes to drop. There are more than five teams going after the Lebron/Melo/Deng/Parsons/Ariza quintet - someone will be left out in the cold with playoff aspirations and a hole at SF, and Green may be the best guy available.

Especially with the current contracts being thrown around, 2/18M doesn't seem particularly crazy right now. Detroit, Memphis, LA, and NO could all be added to the incumbent teams of the guys listed above, with a few others like Atlanta in the mix.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him just back on the roster next year though.

Well I think in any trade he would be viewed as an expiring, as he's very likely to opt out after the year. He would be unquestionably the best SF in next year's free agent class (unless you think Thad Young is a SF, I tend to view him as a PF). Since other teams will view him as an expiring, I agree that it won't be surprising to see him back on the roster next year. The best case scenario is that a hopeful contender with a tradeable '15 pick loses out and has the right kind of expirings to swap. Maybe we can appeal to Reinsdorf's cheapness and offer Green, Bogans, Hump for Boozer, Dunleavy, CHI '15 first

[Andrew McCeltic]

NO is a mess, they have to clear salary in order to make that Asik trade.. They also have a huge hole at SF.. Something should happen there, either Wallace for Eric Gordon, Green for Asik, or both..


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[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm sold on Smart after his SL game as a legit NBA player..

If we did trade Rondo, we know there aren't many suitors- SAC, HOU, maybe IND, maybe PHO... Anyone want to dream up more three team scenarios?

Rondo to HOU
Parsons to team x
Player X to BOS


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[cfan79]

I've got a simple one

New Roster

Rondo for Monroe

Monroe/Bass/Faverani
Sully/Olynik/Anthony
Green/Wallace/Johnson
Bradley/Young/Babb
Smart/Pressey