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RKL wrote:Excerpt from Lala's book —"I also knew that if I ever bought a house, it would probably be in L.A.,’’ she wrote. “It’s so different from New York and Atlanta. L.A. is like my chill place. I can be laid-back and relaxed there. I also could see myself eventually settling there, like my retirement spot.’’
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TyrusRose2425 wrote:Imagine how much more athletic Noah would be if he didn't have his big ass ball sack dragging him down
ryannik09 wrote:fleet wrote:Alright, but the Bulls didn't even send Melo a higher salaried S&T offer. They only sent him a low capspace offer. From reports.
Come on, do you really believe that???? Do you think the Bulls looked at Melo and said $16mm is our one and only offer? I am sure we told Melo we need you to agree to this amount, then we will work on a S&T with NY to get you as close to 4yrs/$96mm as we can. The Bulls arent stupid.
TyrusRose2425 wrote:ryannik09 wrote:I have a strong suspicion the Bulls are going to sneak in a second meeting with Melo today. Schedule a meeting with Pau in LA today who is their #2 option on the same day Melo is scheduled to be in LA to meet with the LAL.
It just seems like the perfect opportunity to sneak in another meeting with Melo under the guise that they are only out there to meet with Pau.
My guess is that he will have a similar all day meeting with the Lakers today. Start late, for example 1PM LA time, have the meeting, have dinner with them, then fly back home late after everything.
organix85 wrote:RKL wrote:Excerpt from Lala's book —"I also knew that if I ever bought a house, it would probably be in L.A.,’’ she wrote. “It’s so different from New York and Atlanta. L.A. is like my chill place. I can be laid-back and relaxed there. I also could see myself eventually settling there, like my retirement spot.’’
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What's this supposed to infer?
blumeany wrote:I highly doubt that after 9 hours of meeting with Melo that the Bulls ended the day saying "So, we've got 16 million for ya, so, think that over and get back to us!"So these rumors that the Bulls did just that are bunk IMHO. Gasol is also not a realistic Plan B - I totally buy the conspiracy theory that Plan A.2 is to lure Anthony with a potential pairing with Gasol. In this scenario, both Boozer and Taj would be gone. Bulls' preference is to go with Taj, but if they need more 'oomf' to sell Anthony, they'll do some deals for Gasol.
blumeany wrote:I highly doubt that after 9 hours of meeting with Melo that the Bulls ended the day saying "So, we've got 16 million for ya, so, think that over and get back to us!"
IndianPlaya17 wrote:Does it not matter that Melo's son loves Derrick Rose?!
fleet wrote:ryannik09 wrote:fleet wrote:Alright, but the Bulls didn't even send Melo a higher salaried S&T offer. They only sent him a low capspace offer. From reports.
Come on, do you really believe that???? Do you think the Bulls looked at Melo and said $16mm is our one and only offer? I am sure we told Melo we need you to agree to this amount, then we will work on a S&T with NY to get you as close to 4yrs/$96mm as we can. The Bulls arent stupid.
He can't agree to an amount he is unwilling to play for. Do you mean fake agree? It doesn't work like that. He has to agree to a real amount, because he damn well could end up playing for the amount if everything else falls through. And things look very difficult on the S&T outlooks ATM for Melo to be risking his future like that.
Either the Bulls believe Phil isn't going to move on the no S&T thing, or they can't find a third team, or they are unwilling to offer Phil what it may take to get the Knicks to negotiate. i.e. offering McDougie and/or Mirotic.
inescape wrote:blumeany wrote:I highly doubt that after 9 hours of meeting with Melo that the Bulls ended the day saying "So, we've got 16 million for ya, so, think that over and get back to us!"
I want to believe this but then why include Taj in the recruiting? You have to admit this feels an awful lot like when we could have got Kobe or prime Gasol but Deng was the obstacle. I hope I am wrong but all the reports that we are hearing are backing this up, and if true we will lose. I think we have to get to a starting point of 20 million to have a legit chance, can we do that and keep Taj, without trading Boozer?
blumeany wrote:Plausible conspiracy theory:
- Melo is really interested in Chicago
- Phil wants Melo back, and will not give Chicago the negotiating edge by saying he'd agree to a Sign and Trade, Phil has also had discussions with Gasol to bring him in to play next to Melo.
- Bulls know that Melo is interested in Chicago, but finances are tight and NY is being stubborn about a S&T.
- Bulls, who have been interested in Gasol in the past, say 'hey, if the Knicks want to bring in Pau as a 'sweetener' for Camelo to stay in NY, why don't we talk to Pau about teaming up with Melo in Chicago?
So, right now, the Bulls aren't looking for a Plan B, they are looking for a move that would push them over the hump in winning Carmelo. Taj *is* a great teammate and good player, but if you can get a higher-profile player to come in (especially for a good price), why not?
fleet wrote:coldfish wrote:fleet wrote:
plenty of NY attitude. I tire of reading it, but I wanted to ask...
This is not the only place where it has been written the Bulls tried to go the capspace route with Melo. I take this to mean, the Bulls did not even attempt a S&T scenario at this point. Phil must have written "No (Boozer) S&T" down in blood.
So I assume where we are at is that in order to get Phil to possibly budge on S&Ts, we will require Melo to say to the Knicks that he will go to the Bulls for their capspace offer no matter what. However, the gist that I am getting from reports like this is that Melo needs a bigger Bulls offer in order to consider that kind of hardball play, and will not cooperate?
So, to sum it up in terms of drawing conclusions:
-Melo won't play hardball to force a S&T with the Knicks because of the small size of the Bulls offer. He is not willing to play for that.
-Phil is not gonna move on the S&T situation. The Bulls seem to believe him.
-The Bulls have to trade Taj Gibson in order to get that basic capspace offer up to a point where Melo will play for it.
-However, both the Bulls and Melo don't even want to go there with Taj. Melo doesn't want to be here if he can't win (because Taj would not be here). And he also doesn't want to be here if he can't get paid more than what the Bulls have to offer with Taj still on the team.
Even though this has been said before in more glib fashion in other articles, it finally sinks in. Sounds to me, there is no way out of this? I don't want to say the patient is dead yet. However, if these are the basic tentpoles of the situation, the Bulls should be moving on.
(Indeed perhaps the Boozer amnesty is not being done with Melo in mind anymore)
The Boozer amnesty thing needs to cool off. Boozer was told that he would be traded or amnestied. Some reporters ran with amnesty thing not understanding the details.
As far as your synopsis, there are several other outs:
- The Bulls find a 3rd team to take on Boozer. If they send him to Philly or Utah or LA or Orlando with 2 firsts, there is no way NY turns down something like Mirotic or a pick for the sign and trade. And yes, this has been reported that Chicago has gone down this route by multiple sources.
Oh, now I remember. They have found zero interest right? So that would explain the lack of a S&T offer for Melo to take to the Knicks. This makes things very difficult in a fast moving market. They don't have all summer.- Carmelo comes to NY and says "I'm out. I prefer a sign and trade to Chicago but if you can't work out a deal with the Bulls in the next 24 hours, I'm signing in LA". If that happens, NY is going to change its mind real quick on the sign and trade.
If I was NY, there is no way I would start negotiating a reasonable sign and trade until I had a gun to my head. As of this minute, they don't have that. If anything, they are the favorites to retain him. Why start tipping your hand when you are winning?
Alright, but the Bulls didn't even send Melo a higher salaried S&T offer. They only sent him a low capspace offer. From reports.
ryannik09 wrote:The Knicks will engage in a S&T for Dunleavy, Randolph the non-guaranteeds for the Sac Pick and our 2015 1st pick. Thats $5.5mm in salary for 1 guaranteed 1st rd pick and 1 potential 1st rd pick. IF the Knicks wont engage a 3rd team would love to take on those 2 contracts for those two picks.
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TyrusRose2425 wrote:Imagine how much more athletic Noah would be if he didn't have his big ass ball sack dragging him down
fleet wrote:ryannik09 wrote:fleet wrote:Alright, but the Bulls didn't even send Melo a higher salaried S&T offer. They only sent him a low capspace offer. From reports.
Come on, do you really believe that???? Do you think the Bulls looked at Melo and said $16mm is our one and only offer? I am sure we told Melo we need you to agree to this amount, then we will work on a S&T with NY to get you as close to 4yrs/$96mm as we can. The Bulls arent stupid.
He can't agree to an amount he is unwilling to play for. Do you mean fake agree? It doesn't work like that. He has to agree to a real amount, because he damn well could end up playing for the amount if everything else falls through. And things look very difficult on the S&T outlooks ATM for Melo to be risking his future like that.
Either the Bulls believe Phil isn't going to move on the no S&T thing, or they can't find a third team, or they are unwilling to offer Phil what it may take to get the Knicks to negotiate. i.e. offering McDougie and/or Mirotic.
Red Larrivee wrote:The Bulls have too many untouchables for a team without a second option.
blumeany wrote:I highly doubt that after 9 hours of meeting with Melo that the Bulls ended the day saying "So, we've got 16 million for ya, so, think that over and get back to us!"