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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#501 » by The Rebel » Thu Jul 3, 2014 4:06 pm

spaceballer wrote:Not sure if it's been posted yet, but it looks like this Houston PR disaster might have had a slight role in costing them Lowry after all. It seems he was certainly aware of it as he was making his decision yesterday, and even decided to poke fun at the Rockets for their incompetent PR gaff after turning them down. :lol:

Kyle Lowry via Instagram wrote:This ain't Amir jersey y'all!! Lol..... it's for the 2014-15 season cause Toronto will be my home cityImage http://instagram.com/p/p-R1tel3jc/


You know I posted earlier in this thread that players and agents watch when this stuff happens and do not want anything to do with it. A few years ago Wade said one reason he would never consider Chicago is that they have no loyalty to their players, players do not want to be treated like trash, and they watch what happens to players when they no longer fit a teams need.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#502 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 3, 2014 4:27 pm

someone found the picture Morey used to recruit Bosh 4 years ago
Scola was wearing #4
he has no problem with it and continue to play as a Rockets after that
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Post#503 » by yunaclf » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:07 pm

^ Seems like the bigger issue is that Rockets FO didn't bother letting Lin know and then tried to lie about it. In Beverely's case he knew about it and I'm sure Scola was asked for his consent as well.
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Post#504 » by hayden » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:36 pm

MaxRider wrote:someone found the picture Morey used to recruit Bosh 4 years ago
Scola was wearing #4
he has no problem with it and continue to play as a Rockets after that
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I don't really understand what the point is for signaling the fact that the Rockets have done this before?

Does it make you change your opinion that this is a dickish move by the Rockets' management just because it's been done to other players? Are you upset that there wasn't a thread about it back then? How is it relevant to this thread?

Honestly, if this was brought to the board's attention back then, the responses would have been the same. The only difference is that there wouldn't be so many Rockets' posters bashing Lin inciting reactions from other Rockets' posters as well as posters from other teams. It takes two active sides to make a thread go 25+ pages, folks.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#505 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:40 pm

hayden wrote:I don't really understand what the point is for signaling the fact that the Rockets have done this before?

Does it make you change your opinion that this is a dickish move by the Rockets' management just because it's been done to other players? Are you upset that there wasn't a thread about it back then? How is it relevant to this thread?

Honestly, if this was brought to the board's attention back then, the responses would have been the same. The only difference is that there wouldn't be so many Rockets' posters bashing Lin inciting reactions from other Rockets' posters as well as posters from other teams. It takes two active sides to make a thread go 25+ pages, folks.


i just don't see this is that big of a deal
it's just a photoshopped picture
nobody brought it up before because nobody care
but until *** show up
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Post#506 » by hans0r » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:49 pm

TommyTBolt wrote:
tbytc wrote:
TommyTBolt wrote:
I agree if Lin wanted to be in NY he wouldn't have signed the "poison pill". There is a difference between getting good offers your company / team can compete with and expecting them to match or at least get close to the offer its completely different to bring them something you know they can't match, in that case you made a choice to chase the money and it's not your previous team / companies fault you left.

At that time, Harden wasn't there when they pursue Lin, and there wasn't other star players who would take the ball away from him comparing there were Melo, Jr in New York.
So basically Rocket offer lin more money and better chance to prove himselfs, and it is very stupid to turn down that offer.


1) As another poster pointed out Knicks gave him FAR more endorsement possibilities and even if he was relegated to the bench because of poor coaching or lack of experience for the vet min he would still have made up a significant chunk of the money. Money difference is only in guaranteed dollars and maybe a little more overall depending on his "star power" on future performance but its hardly a blowout.

2) Knicks and Houston weren't the only teams in the league, he could have signed a more respectable offer from a different team and given the Knicks a realistic chance to match. If he signs for 4 years for 24 million dollars with Orlando or someone (anyone, doesnt matter the team, just the dollars and the contract structure) the Knicks would have at least had to think about it and make a decision based on if they thought he fit the team or if they could win with them, versus having literally no chance but to let him walk unless they wanted to play salary cap Russian roulette.


People keep repeating this, but it is plain wrong. I know some NY media reported it, but it's not what happened.

It went something like this:

  • - The Knicks had "Early Bird" and "Bird" rights for Lin, meaning that they could have re-signed him without being restricted by the salary cap.
  • - Instead of offering him anything, the Knicks encouraged him to test the open market, but Grunwald said they would match any offer no matter what.
  • - Houston was rebuilding and desperately needed a PG. It was reported they offered him $28.8 million over four years, with the fourth year a team option at $9.3 million. Lin was still waiting for further offers to come in.
  • - Knicks publicy said they would match Houston's offer and make Lin the starting PG for the coming season.
  • - In response, Morey changed the offer to the "poison pill" contract.
  • - Lin had no other offers and signed the only contract available, still thinking the Knicks would match.
  • - Suddenly Dolan changed his mind and it was reported that he even felt betrayed by Lin.

So in summary the Knicks FO handled the whole Lin situation like idiots.
First, they should have used their "Early Bird" rights if they wanted to keep him.
Second, if you choose not to use those rights don't publicly announce that you will match an offer that isn't finalized yet. If they would have kept their mouths shut Houston wouldn't have changed their initial offer.
Third, don't act like a baby when Lin signs the only offer on the table. Lin didn't go back and forth between Houston and the Knicks to negotiate the best deal with the maximum amount of money. The initial deal was changed only because the Knicks said they would match it anyway.

I don't get why people blame Lin. Lin should be the one to feel betrayed by the Knicks. He did nothing wrong. Blame it on the Knicks' FO and Dolan. People that say Lin could have refused Houston's offer if he wanted to stay on the Knicks are delirious. Guess what would have happened if he hadn't. The Knicks would have low-balled him!
They would have offered him the minimum and Lin would have had to sign if he wanted to stay in the NBA. He did the only reasonable thing. He signed the only offer he had, and thought the Knicks would match and he would stay on the Knicks. He had no reason to expect that the Knicks wouldn't match. He fully expected them to, because they stressed they would match anything. Especially considering that Dolan was never afraid of going over the salary cap.

To make matter worse lots of Houston fans also turned on Lin and blame him for being overpaid. It was Morey's choice to offer him that contract. He refused to offer the guaranteed forth year that Dragic wanted and offered the "poison pill" contract to Lin instead.
Is he overpaid for what he does for Houston? Probably. But he would also probably be better if the Rockets used his strengths and used pick and roll plays.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#507 » by tbytc » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:49 pm

KobeKenobi wrote:Sorry but Lin's contract is an absolute joke. It's not that he isn't a good player, he is simply overpaid. But that is the trend these days, look at Jodie. :banghead:

Even it is a joke, it isn't Lin fault.
It is Morey fault.
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Post#508 » by tbytc » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:52 pm

Zubby wrote:Isn't this like saying "OMG the Suns just drafted a PG... Dragic & Bledsoe are being disrespected!" Everyone puts up billboards when recruiting guys Dallas(haven't seen there billboard yet) and Chicago did it, I sure the Lakers will do it too. Teams do this every year and i'm sure this isn't the 1st time this has happened, (3rd time with the Rockets, 1st time anyone gave a damn).


Sometimes I feel bad for players like when they get traded mid-game, mid-flight then gotta stop what they are doing and leave. Or when they get traded and no one tells them, and this happens all the time.
Can't feel bad over a damn number, not that serious.

Drafting a same position rookie is totally different than using a number for a guy who aren't even coming for sure.
And said by a Howard fan, lol.
Dwight Howard actually complained someone wearing no 12 in ORLANDO AFTER HE WAS GONE FOR YEARS.
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Re: Lin feeling disrespected? 

Post#509 » by BflI » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:53 pm

Yea Lin is overpaid of what he is being asked to do in Houston, but he was never in a position to display his worth for the Rockets

He was brought in as a PnR point guard, but he got benched because he can't play 3 and D.

He never lived up to his contract because he was never in the position to do so once Harden and Howard came. I've watched every single game since Lin got there and it is a fact that he has been on an unusually short leash, and often gets iced out during the substitution, almost as if the coach just does not want to play him.

Lin took the backseat when Harden came, took the bench when Howard came, he is a loyal team player. For him to speak out like this shows how many times he has been walked on for the past 2 years.

He was never liked by the fans, Clutchfans hated him because of 1) LoFs, 2) reminisce Dragic and 3) they worship Morey and their own organization, thus not wanting to admit they made a mistake cutting him. This led to confirmation bias. As a result, every mistake he made on the court is amplified and he shouldn't complain because he is just a lucky scrub who con'ed his way of getting that 'ridiculous' paycheck from Les.

That is why people seldom remember his good games, because lots of fans don't want to. They can't wait to get rid of him with his delusional fanbase so he could just shut up, take the money, and go elsewhere

What happened yesterday was more than just the number, there's definitely more to it historically.
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Post#510 » by tbytc » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:58 pm

MaxRider wrote:someone found the picture Morey used to recruit Bosh 4 years ago
Scola was wearing #4
he has no problem with it and continue to play as a Rockets after that
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yah so it became a classless tradition?
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Post#511 » by 13th Man » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:04 pm

BflI wrote:Yea Lin is overpaid of what he is being asked to do in Houston, but he was never in a position to display his worth for the Rockets

He was brought in as a PnR point guard, but he got benched because he can't play 3 and D.

He never lived up to his contract because he was never in the position to do so once Harden and Howard came. I've watched every single game since Lin got there and it is a fact that he has been on an unusually short leash, and often gets iced out during the substitution, almost as if the coach just does not want to play him.

Lin took the backseat when Harden came, took the bench when Howard came, he is a loyal team player. For him to speak out like this shows how many times he has been walked on for the past 2 years.

He was never liked by the fans, Clutchfans hated him because of 1) LoFs, 2) reminisce Dragic and 3) they worship Morey and their own organization, thus not wanting to admit they made a mistake cutting him. This led to confirmation bias. As a result, every mistake he made on the court is amplified and he shouldn't complain because he is just a lucky scrub who con'ed his way of getting that 'ridiculous' paycheck from Les.

That is why people seldom remember his good games, because lots of fans don't want to. They can't wait to get rid of him with his delusional fanbase so he could just shut up, take the money, and go elsewhere

What happened yesterday was more than just the number, there's definitely more to it historically.


Nice post.

I'm really disappointed at Houston as an organization, including a large portion of their fanbase. They were the ones that put Lin in the situation that he's in (poison pill contract, not allowing him to play his true position, demoted him to bench player etc.), and they act as if it's Lin or his fans are the problem. That's the reason I don't visit Clutchfans, they're a bunch of crybabies, and strangely enough routinely instigated by the site owner there.

Trust me, the biggest sigh of relief will come from Lin and his fans once he's out of there.
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Post#512 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:08 pm

I'm always shocked at how well Lin plays and produces despite the junk people put him through in Houston. He'd be much better if he played in a more stable organization.

Nice post a couple up there.
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Post#513 » by BflI » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:13 pm

MaxRider wrote:someone found the picture Morey used to recruit Bosh 4 years ago
Scola was wearing #4
he has no problem with it and continue to play as a Rockets after that
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MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.
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Post#514 » by Ginger Bean » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:19 pm

Maybe Lin just wants out of there.
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Post#515 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:22 pm

BflI wrote:MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.

already talk about that before
Rockets said they did and Lin's agent said they didn't
you just pick whoever you want to believe
i believe they don't have to contact Lin if they don't want to
#7 doesn't belong to Jeremy Lin
if it is #34, #22, #23, #24, #45 then they should contact the owner of those numbers because those are retired
#11 is as good as retired
but #7 is not
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Post#516 » by tomato123 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:24 pm

Notice that whenever Lin was putting in a correct system without a ball dominated teammate, he can do well.

In 9 games without James Harden, Jeremy Lin has held averages of:

21.2PTS, 6.3AST, 3RPG, 4.2 T/O, 1.5 AST/TO

shot 84.8% from the line with 7.3 attempts per game,
shot 48.8% from 3PT land, (42.8% sans Sixers game),
shot 47.5% from the field with 13.3 Attempts.

The team has gone 5-4.

In 8 games without Carmelo Anthony, Lin has held averages of:

25 PTS, 9.5 AST, 3.6RPG, 6.5 T/O, 1.46 AST/TO

shot 70.7% from the line with 8.1 attempts per game,
shot 38.5% from 3PT land
shot 50.7% from the field with 17.8 Attempts.

The team went 7-1.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=250152

DarkAzcura wrote:I'm always shocked at how well Lin plays and produces despite the junk people put him through in Houston. He'd be much better if he played in a more stable organization.

Nice post a couple up there.
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Post#517 » by tbytc » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:24 pm

MaxRider wrote:
BflI wrote:MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.

already talk about that before
Rockets said they did and Lin's agent said they didn't
you just pick whoever you want to believe
i believe they don't have to contact Lin if they don't want to
#7 doesn't belong to Jeremy Lin
if it is #34, #22, #23, #34, #45 then they should contact the owner of those numbers because those are retired
#11 is as good as retired
but #7 is not

I don't want to question about your iq, but you seriously think it is Lin's agent lying?
#7 does belong to lin as long as he is still on the team. It is just classless act by Morey.
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Post#518 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:31 pm

tbytc wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
BflI wrote:MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.

already talk about that before
Rockets said they did and Lin's agent said they didn't
you just pick whoever you want to believe
i believe they don't have to contact Lin if they don't want to
#7 doesn't belong to Jeremy Lin
if it is #34, #22, #23, #34, #45 then they should contact the owner of those numbers because those are retired
#11 is as good as retired
but #7 is not

I don't want to question about your iq, but you seriously think it is Lin's agent lying?
#7 does belong to lin as long as he is still on the team. It is just classless act by Morey.

both can be lying
agent is always standing on his client side
front office is always standing on the team side
both can't be trusted
you just pick whoever you like
and forgot how many time i'm saying this it's just a photoshop picture
even if rockets handed him a #7 jersey with anthony name on the back
that doesn't mean he will be wearing #7 next season

#7 doesn't belong to jeremy lin
the team can tell you you can't have that number
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Post#519 » by 13th Man » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:32 pm

MaxRider wrote:
BflI wrote:MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.

already talk about that before
Rockets said they did and Lin's agent said they didn't
you just pick whoever you want to believe
i believe they don't have to contact Lin if they don't want to
#7 doesn't belong to Jeremy Lin
if it is #34, #22, #23, #24, #45 then they should contact the owner of those numbers because those are retired
#11 is as good as retired
but #7 is not


The consensus amongst most seem to be that it's a dick move on the Rockets behalf regardless of whether they've done it in the past or not. Your choice to side with what's perceived as classless.
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Post#520 » by Ice Trae » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:33 pm

MaxRider wrote:
BflI wrote:MaxRider, you might be missing the point.

The point is how the FO handled the situation. Was Lin informed? what was the communication? JL7 currently has brand value which is much more than just jersey numbers. The Rocket's PR team got careless this time, especially given the bad history between Melo and Lin

Im sure if the FO reached out to Lin before and they talked it out it would've been a non issue.

We are talking about a gigantic billboard in from of Toyota Center here, not some book size poster or some sales pitch brochure.

already talk about that before
Rockets said they did and Lin's agent said they didn't
you just pick whoever you want to believe
i believe they don't have to contact Lin if they don't want to
#7 doesn't belong to Jeremy Lin
if it is #34, #22, #23, #24, #45 then they should contact the owner of those numbers because those are retired
#11 is as good as retired
but #7 is not

Err... as long as Lin is a rocket, it technically is.

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