Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play?

[greenl]

Disagree somewhat. He can easily say Phil sold him on his plan and he believes the Knicks give him the best chance to win over the life of the contract.

You guys are making way too big of a deal about that quote, which was essentially made to posture the Knicks into taking him seriously about leaving.

Not sure why everyone has it made up in their mind that Phil Jackson isn't going to be able to do anything within 5 seasons to help a franchise he won a TITLE with, get back on it's feet.

Because he's about to super max a 30 year old wing scorer - thus creating cap problems for him for the life of the deal. And his first move was to hire a coach with zero experience. The TITLE he won with New York was in the 70's as a bench player- doesn't really seem relevant to the discussion. His time as a coach- that's relevant- him winning as a Knicks player doesn't mean anything for his prospects as a GM.

[blumeany]

Let's look at the facts instead of the speculation: Chicago reps, NY reps, Lakers reps, Melo, and Gasol are in LA to talk. All have been linked to each other in one way or another. To me, this lends itself to a different narrative than 'New York is ready to close the deal'.

[NecessaryEvil]

Not sure why everyone has it made up in their mind that Phil Jackson isn't going to be able to do anything within 5 seasons to help a franchise he won a TITLE with, get back on it's feet.

Melo will be what 36 37 by then? Melo needs a winner NOW not in 5 years.

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I did say within...

He does need a winner now, I agree with you. That's what he is extremely likely to choose.

[MrFortune3]

Just think of Cleveland and Toronto in 2010...refused to do a S&T and look what happened..

WTF They both did a sign and trade.

That was his point, they still did it because it allowed them to get some value.

[Chitownbulls]

I have a really good feeling about this....Melo needs the weekend to make a decision...IMO he's gone. Melo will be a Bulls IMO. Knicks flying out feels like they are scared. They want Melo to sign contract tonight. Melo coming to Chicago...news will break Sunday an everybody an their mom will be talking about him next week!!!

[BahamaBull]

If Phil is going in for the kill as Stein is reporting and we haven't heard anything by morning, I'll see it as a very positive thing.

Phil is so done...Guy cant even walk anymore...I believe rookie GM Phil is irrelevant.

[kyrv]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 47s
Around Carmelo Anthony, there's a belief that he plans to take the weekend in Los Angeles to make a decision on his free agency choice.

Thanks - for those saying why in LA, I heard he actually lives in LA, which came as a surprise, I thought he lived in mecca.

[the ultimates]

If Carmelo takes the full max from New York that's fine because within three seasons he'll be looking for a way out at 33 and making 25 million a year which very few contending teams would stomach. I also don't want to hear any bitching about Garpax or Rose.

[fleet]

Sounds like the Bulls ran some mysterious Ben Kenobi Jedi mind tricks on Melo. Better hope that Ben was onto something.

Lets also remember that Thibs and Melo share an agent. If Leon Rose wasn't demanding some hard numbers then and there I doubt it was a problem for Melo's side.

Melo: Let me see your offer.
Gar: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see the offer.
Leon Rose: We don't need to see the offer.
Pax: These aren't the numbers you're looking for.
Melo: These aren't the numbers we're looking for.
Gar: Thibs can go about his business.
Leon Rose: Thibs can go about his business.
Gar: Move along.
Melo: Move along... move along. How's the surf n turf here?

[NecessaryEvil]

Not sure why everyone has it made up in their mind that Phil Jackson isn't going to be able to do anything within 5 seasons to help a franchise he won a TITLE with, get back on it's feet.

Because he's about to super max a 30 year old wing scorer - thus creating cap problems for him for the life of the deal. And his first move was to hire a coach with zero experience. The TITLE he won with New York was in the 70's as a bench player- doesn't really seem relevant to the discussion. His time as a coach- that's relevant- him winning as a Knicks player doesn't mean anything for his prospects as a GM.

My point is, he was there when they were winning. He has been part of the franchise. He's grown, became a champion and one of the best basketball minds ever. Why anyone would think Phil isn't going to do anything to make a winner and Melo is somehow making a bad decision if he stays, is beyond me. He'd be going back because he obviously believes in Phil's plan.

With that said, he's not going back.

[pb-ceo]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 47s
Around Carmelo Anthony, there's a belief that he plans to take the weekend in Los Angeles to make a decision on his free agency choice.

Thanks - for those saying why in LA, I heard he actually lives in LA, which came as a surprise, I thought he lived in mecca.

bicoastal- place in NY place in LA. not a bad lifestyle.

[BigUps]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 47s
Around Carmelo Anthony, there's a belief that he plans to take the weekend in Los Angeles to make a decision on his free agency choice.

Seems wise, although I hate it. I'd imagine something leaks before then.

[Hardfoul]

BTW, why would Phil go to LA so NY can get a "verbal". Honestly, if you are serious and ready to offer supermax, and think he wants to sign you would bring the contact with and get it done.


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[kyrv]

Just curious.

Compared to July 3, 2010.

Did you feel more confident about LeBron then or Carmelo now?

Have enough trouble recalling last week let alone 4 years ago.

I assume it was a roller coaster of ups and downs like this year though.

If you aren't riding with the tides then you aren't really participating.

There was only one poll where LeHeadband coming got over 50%. And that was at the height of the he's going to Chicago feeding frenzy. People were pretty realistic really.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

sure but why, they're irrelevant. It's like hating the Pistons.

At least the Pistons have won something in my lifetime. The Knicks haven't been truly relevant since the 70's.

Really? Ask these same Bulls fans that were around in the late 90s and yeah I guess making the finals twice means nothing during that time.....nice try though

You're right - coming in second means nothing (even less so when you're barely .500 in a strike season). As I said, the Knicks haven't been truly relevant since the 70's.

[IrishBeatdown]

I don't know why people are losing all hope. I'm not an optimist at all, and I haven't lost hope. A few random Stein tweets and you all lose your ****. NYK may very well end up signing melo, but its obvious they are worried. They weren't always planning to go to LA and try to secure the commitment. It's clear they are worried about Chicago, and worried Chicago will get their hooks in Carmelo further.

Pack it in you sissies, this isn't over yet.

[Peelboy]

Phil Jackson might've been playing it cool the whole time, waiting for Melo to play the FA market and coming out with an unexpected super max 5-year offer and being like "You're the face of the Knicks, you and me are gonna get a championship in the MSG before 2017."

If I hear that, and I'm Melo... Hard not to just say, "You're right-- f*** it, I'm back." Get Pau Gasol on a discount (Calderon, Phil, Manhattan), dump JR Smith, show that Fisher can coach the triangle offense (perfect for a 3-dimensional SF like Melo), and they can recruit an all-star in 2015...

If Melo was a Knick DURING 2010 free agency, no doubt they would've had the Heat BIg-3 (with Lebron and Wade or Amare).

All of those options are fairly out there. Pau could join Thunder for MLE (far superior team, better chance at a title), but he's going to take Knicks and almost certainly not contending instead just to be w Phil? Pau could also join Bulls for almost certainly more than Knicks can offer and have a better shot to contend. Dumping JR Smith isn't all that easy given his rep. The available all-stars in 2015 are who - Love's getting traded somewhere he'll resign. Aldridge already has a max offer. Marc Gasol will have suitors and may resign in MEM.

If you go in thinking Phil has actual magical powers and can wish stuff into existence then sure. But there's a s**t-ton of risk in there and the greater likelihood is that it's NOT a quick turnaround for Knicks. Even a relatively quick (2-3 yr) turnaround puts the Knicks in contention when Melo's already leaving his prime, at around 34.

[greenl]

Why anyone would think Phil isn't going to do anything to make a winner and Melo is somehow making a bad decision if he stays, is beyond me. He'd be going back because he obviously believes in Phil's plan.

With that said, he's not going back.

Yeah- agreed on this point- if he goes back- it's because he believes in Phil.

[Rerisen]

I thought he lived in mecca.

He's ready for a new address, I'd recommend the Taj Mahal.

[pb-ceo]

Phil is going to tell Melo that Bron is going to be a free agent next summer. And it will be true.