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Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#441 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:47 pm

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Liver_Pooty wrote:If the Suns cant afford both Dragic and Bledsoe how are they going to afford Bledsoe and Stephenson? I don't put much stock in that guys twitter

Don't the Suns have more cap room than anyone else, excluding Miami? The idea that they can't afford both Dragic and Bledsoe doesn't make sense to me.

Speaking of the Suns cap room, why wouldn't they just sign Lance outright? They don't have to do a sign and trade.


Exactly. This leak is coming from the Pacers. They're doing everything they can to salvage some value here. To lose a player of Lance's caliber and possibly to a close competitor is a huge deal. They are squirming.
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#442 » by Bassman » Thu Jul 3, 2014 4:42 pm

I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#443 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 3, 2014 4:52 pm

Bassman wrote:I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

* * * LANCE #1* * *


This gets a Carlos Boozer emphatic AND 1!
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#444 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:26 pm

Bassman wrote:I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

* * * LANCE #1* * *


Can't somebody who works at an airport or something tip us off? I mean the guy is huge, if he shows up in the city you can't miss him. Nothing though. Nothing at all.
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#445 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:39 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Bassman wrote:I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

* * * LANCE #1* * *


Can't somebody who works at an airport or something tip us off? I mean the guy is huge, if he shows up in the city you can't miss him. Nothing though. Nothing at all.

:lol: I'm sure every employee in Charlotte Douglas will know if Lance Stephenson flies in.
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#446 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:40 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Bassman wrote:I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

* * * LANCE #1* * *


Can't somebody who works at an airport or something tip us off? I mean the guy is huge, if he shows up in the city you can't miss him. Nothing though. Nothing at all.


If Stephenson is flying commerical to Charlotte then we're doing it wrong. It's MJ's private jet or nothing.

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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#447 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:46 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
Bassman wrote:I find it hard to believe there are no meetings scheduled with Lance. I know tomorrow is a holiday...what a perfect time to treat Lance to a visit in Charlotte. Facilities tour, discussion, dinner with MJ & Cho on top of a building and a fireworks show that ends with a special formation....

* * * LANCE #1* * *


Can't somebody who works at an airport or something tip us off? I mean the guy is huge, if he shows up in the city you can't miss him. Nothing though. Nothing at all.


If Stephenson is flying commerical to Charlotte then we're doing it wrong. It's MJ's private jet or nothing.

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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#448 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:55 pm

Zach Lowe wrote:An aside on the Pacers: They also signed Damjan Rudez, a Croatian shooting big man, to a starting salary of $1.1 million next season, per multiple sources familiar with his contract. Toss in the raise Paul George got for making All-NBA, and Indiana is up to about $72 million in committed salary for next season before re-signing Mr. Ear Blow. The tax line is projected at $77 million, and Larry Bird has said repeatedly the Pacers will not exceed it. Do the math. The Pacers are also about $400,000 closer to the tax than need be, since they signed Shayne Whittington instead of drafting him at No. 57 — a pick they sold to the Knicks.

The Pacers profited from that sale, but it hurt them in relation to the tax line because of the quirky rules on how undrafted guys count against the tax.

They can slice away about $2.5 million by buying out Luis Scola’s partially guaranteed deal, and inking a player with some overlapping skills, in Rudez, might enable that. But the math for Stephenson is still tight. One of the following four things must be true:

1. Indy is fine with Stephenson leaving.

2. Indy is willing to be over the tax in season, to try to get under it before the deadline of July 1, 2015, and to swallow a tax bill if that’s not manageable. The Pacers paid the tax when they were still good in the late 1990s and early 2000s, and they are projected to make about $7 million for 2013-14, per a confidential NBA memo reviewed and verified by Grantland.

That’s not much, and the Pacers are wholly dependent on revenue-sharing to get there, the memo shows. They are expected to lose about $14 million on their own, and shoot into the black via their $3 million share of tax payments and a whopping $18 million or so in projected revenue-sharing cashola. So they might have some financial leeway here.

3. The Pacers are confident the market for Stephenson is so barren, they can get him back at $8 million per season or less. This strikes me as lunacy, but perhaps the league is really that afraid of a 23-year-old unrestricted free agent who plays both ends at a thin position. Stephenson’s behavior has been troubling at times, but teams have invested more in guys with shakier records and less talent.

4. There is a cost-cutting move coming. Perhaps it is simple as waiving Scola and/or using the stretch provision on Chris Copeland, who also overlaps with Rudez in skill set. But it could be something bigger. Do not underestimate the willingness of Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh, and Kevin Pritchard to blow something up if they are convinced it’s not going to work long-term.

The obvious name here would be Roy Hibbert, with George Hill a runner-up. To be clear: This is just speculation. But stay tuned.

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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#449 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:57 pm

We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#450 » by Robot Rock » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:05 pm

LofJ wrote:We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."


Sounds like a timeshare meeting :lol:
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#451 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:08 pm

Robot Rock wrote:
LofJ wrote:We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."


Sounds like a timeshare meeting :lol:


haha, it kinda does actually
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#452 » by Bassman » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:10 pm

LofJ wrote:We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."



LOVE IT!

There is something to be said for making a player feel wanted. We know how that impacted Big Al. If done well it could also get us a discount compared to what some other team might be willing to pour into an offer for Lance. If the money is close his decision tree moves to other things; team, teamates, role, owner, city, consideration, endorsements.

Gotta believe the Charlotte Hornets can get this done, if they just push. If Lance agent is willing, I'd get him here and not let him leave without a signature. Let the others drool over the prima drama queens...
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Post#453 » by Snidely FC » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:00 pm

The Pundits are leery of giving Lance what he's about to receive. From ESPN Insiders 5 on 5, the question is "Which Free Agent Would You Not Touch With a Ten Foot Pole?"
Elhassan: Almost every player in the NBA is desirable for the right price, but I think I'd steer clear of Lance Stephenson, absent a tremendous discount (which does not seem realistic after he turned down a reported $44 million deal from the Indiana Pacers). I think Stephenson is the type of player who benefits from a very particular set of circumstances: a rigid structure, strong leadership in both the locker room and the front office, and a no-nonsense attitude from his teammates and coaches. When he's in check, he's a tremendous talent, but his maturity issues can drag him down.

Ford: Lance Stephenson. Lance has tons of talent, but he's inconsistent, still shows signs of major immaturity and he's done that playing in a contract year. What happens when he gets big-time guaranteed money? The Pacers were able to control him, in part, by surrounding him with veterans and an intricate player development program. If he's on his own as a star, you could see the second coming of J.R. Smith.

Penn: Lance Stephenson. Give me a 12-foot pole, maybe. He's too erratic, too volatile -- on and off the court. You don't know what you're getting quarter-to-quarter with him, and it's really hard to build a culture around that with other quality, high-IQ guys.

Thorpe: If I had to pick one high-dollar guy who would scare me the most, assuming he signed for a fair contract, I'd say it's Stephenson. He just seems like the opposite of what the Spurs and Heat had the past two years. When every single player buys into the concepts and mindset of a team, it gives a team its best chance to win big and survive late into the playoffs. I don't trust Lance to do that. Still, I allow for the likelihood that he will grow up, mature and fall in line, eventually.
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Post#454 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:11 pm

Snidely FC wrote:The Pundits are leery of giving Lance what he's about to receive. From ESPN Insiders 5 on 5, the question is "Which Free Agent Would You Not Touch With a Ten Foot Pole?"
Elhassan: Almost every player in the NBA is desirable for the right price, but I think I'd steer clear of Lance Stephenson, absent a tremendous discount (which does not seem realistic after he turned down a reported $44 million deal from the Indiana Pacers). I think Stephenson is the type of player who benefits from a very particular set of circumstances: a rigid structure, strong leadership in both the locker room and the front office, and a no-nonsense attitude from his teammates and coaches. When he's in check, he's a tremendous talent, but his maturity issues can drag him down.

Ford: Lance Stephenson. Lance has tons of talent, but he's inconsistent, still shows signs of major immaturity and he's done that playing in a contract year. What happens when he gets big-time guaranteed money? The Pacers were able to control him, in part, by surrounding him with veterans and an intricate player development program. If he's on his own as a star, you could see the second coming of J.R. Smith.

Penn: Lance Stephenson. Give me a 12-foot pole, maybe. He's too erratic, too volatile -- on and off the court. You don't know what you're getting quarter-to-quarter with him, and it's really hard to build a culture around that with other quality, high-IQ guys.

Thorpe: If I had to pick one high-dollar guy who would scare me the most, assuming he signed for a fair contract, I'd say it's Stephenson. He just seems like the opposite of what the Spurs and Heat had the past two years. When every single player buys into the concepts and mindset of a team, it gives a team its best chance to win big and survive late into the playoffs. I don't trust Lance to do that. Still, I allow for the likelihood that he will grow up, mature and fall in line, eventually.


Every exec around the league probably feels the same way which is probably why he isn't signed right now. His agent is probably asking 11 or maybe even 12 a year and everyones just like " yeah ok.."
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Post#455 » by ARHornet » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:24 pm

Honestly, Lance does scare me a bit. But I don't see any better options and if we do not replace Hendo I will lose my mind. So as long as we don't drastically overpay I'm good with Lance.
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Post#456 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:11 am

I don't want him but he's growing on me, if you just watch footage and ignore everything else, going all out for this guy makes sense.

That said, I think anything over 8m per is a risk, 10 you could live with, but it's really pushing the envelope.

In regards to our recruitment potential, Hornets+Playoffs+Kemba+Jordan is a damn good pitch.
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Post#457 » by Diop » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:12 am

LofJ wrote:We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."

then we he gets to Charlotte Hairston can throw him a party,
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Post#458 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:18 am

Sachmo wrote:
LofJ wrote:We should have the bar on the plane stocked with whatever Stephenson's favorite drink is and custom Hornets/Jordan brand uniforms and shoes with his name on them. Underneath the gear should be a hand written note from MJ that says "sign with me and the full force of my brand will be behind you. We will win championships and more together, I'll tell you all about it when you get to Charlotte."

then we he gets to Charlotte Hairston can throw him a party,


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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#459 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:46 am

Sik Infant wrote:I don't want him but he's growing on me, if you just watch footage and ignore everything else, going all out for this guy makes sense.

That said, I think anything over 8m per is a risk, 10 you could live with, but it's really pushing the envelope.

In regards to our recruitment potential, Hornets+Playoffs+Kemba+Jordan is a damn good pitch.


I just watched a few highlight clips of him. The guy would be such a talent upgrade for us at SG its kind of scary, but half the time he would be show boating and such.

I have no problem with being cocky, but constant arrogance can get annoying
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Re: The Lance Stephenson Thread 

Post#460 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:50 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I don't want him but he's growing on me, if you just watch footage and ignore everything else, going all out for this guy makes sense.

That said, I think anything over 8m per is a risk, 10 you could live with, but it's really pushing the envelope.

In regards to our recruitment potential, Hornets+Playoffs+Kemba+Jordan is a damn good pitch.


I just watched a few highlight clips of him. The guy would be such a talent upgrade for us at SG its kind of scary, but half the time he would be show boating and such.

I have no problem with being cocky, but constant arrogance can get annoying


There's a part of my brain that says sign this guy quick, and another part saying, this guy will bring the team down.

It would suck to be a GM in this type of situation, this is a guy that could get Cho fired.

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