Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

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I was thinking more about GS and how GS has a nice trade exception. If I'm right it's about 9 mill or so. Would any one be opposed to sending Ariza over to them in a sign and trade for Barnes or Green? I know I mentioned Banres before, But if we could get them to part with either of them, I think that would be something. As much as I like Barnes I like Green a lot too. Any overall thoughts on a S&T sending Ariza west?

I've always liked Green, but he is definitely limited. He's small for a 4 (about Booker's size) but he's not athletic the way Booker is. Still, he produces a little bit and will have a full NBA career I believe.

Are you saying you might like to replace Ariza with Draymond Green? You'd like him to start playing the 3?

[nuposse04]

FWIW, TPE's can't be combined and they can't be added to a player as outgoing salary. Basically, we can only use them to trade for guys on really small contracts (vet minimum contracts, for the most part). They're too small to be all that useful. The best case scenario is that a team needs to shave an extra million of salary in order to make a deal work out, and they send a minimum salary vet to us (plus cash to pay his salary) in exchange for our TPE.

Maybe we can get a guy like Tyler Zeller if Cleveland wanted a bit more cap space for another move.

Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that could work out. We could add someone like Fransico Garcia plus a 2nd round pick if Houston wanted to generate a bit more cap room.

I would see if we could pry a guy like Leur away from Memphis. They have their Z-Bo replacement in Stokes, not sure if they plan to retain James Johnson but I really liked Leur in limited minutes last season. Not sure if Memphis would bite though.

[gambitx777]

I've always liked Green, but he is definitely limited. He's small for a 4 (about Booker's size) but he's not athletic the way Booker is. Still, he produces a little bit and will have a full NBA career I believe.

Are you saying you might like to replace Ariza with Draymond Green? You'd like him to start playing the 3?

I'm saying I don't want to pay Ariza more than 7 mill for 2 or 3 years, and I feel that for what Barnes and Green are and what they do, it's a better value. I'm not saying they are better than Ariza, they could be because they have room to grow, but I'm saying I would rather have them, than have Ariza here for 4 or 5 years on a 8-10 mill a year contract. I'm not saying Ariza is a bad player, I am not saying I don't like him. I just don't want to over pay him, I've said this before, there are players that you can not afford to not over pay and there are players that you can not afford to over pay. In my opinion, Ariza is in that second group.

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I've always liked Green, but he is definitely limited. He's small for a 4 (about Booker's size) but he's not athletic the way Booker is. Still, he produces a little bit and will have a full NBA career I believe.

Are you saying you might like to replace Ariza with Draymond Green? You'd like him to start playing the 3?

I'm saying I don't want to pay Ariza more than 7 mill for 2 or 3 years, and I feel that for what Barnes and Green are and what they do, it's a better value. I'm not saying they are better than Ariza, they could be because they have room to grow, but I'm saying I would rather have them, than have Ariza here for 4 or 5 years on a 8-10 mill a year contract. I'm not saying Ariza is a bad player, I am not saying I don't like him. I just don't want to over pay him, I've said this before, there are players that you can not afford to not over pay and there are players that you can not afford to over pay. In my opinion, Ariza is in that second group.

Gambit -- if my criticism made you feel defensive, I apologize. My bad.

I don't believe in over-paying anyone. And, IMO, if you acquire a super-star (e.g. someone like LeBron -- duh! -- or even Love), it's almost impossible to overpay that player. Their productivity delta over other guys is so large that they buy you wins at what turns out to be a bargain rate.

With a few exceptions every once in a while, the only really bargain NBA salaries are either rookie salaries or max salaries for a genuine top-tier player (i.e. not someone paid like a superstar who may be very good but isn't that extra special producer -- Kyrie Irving comes to mind).

In that sense, no doubt, both Green and Barnes are very good value for $$ on their current deals, so I'd be happy to have either one. It's just that neither of them is a player I think anyone can build around. Barnes might command too much $$ in his 2d contract, just because he was a high pick -- that does happen sometimes. But Green is likely to be a good player for what he gets paid over many years.

I don't think either or both would replace Ariza, but I agree that there's a risk in signing Trevor for the @ $10m/year he's pretty likely to get. With Barnes in his place, for example, I'm quite sure we'd win fewer games, but we might be better positioned for the future; i.e. we'd have more flexibility.

So, I made it more black and white than I should have.

[gambitx777]

I've always liked Green, but he is definitely limited. He's small for a 4 (about Booker's size) but he's not athletic the way Booker is. Still, he produces a little bit and will have a full NBA career I believe.

Are you saying you might like to replace Ariza with Draymond Green? You'd like him to start playing the 3?

I'm saying I don't want to pay Ariza more than 7 mill for 2 or 3 years, and I feel that for what Barnes and Green are and what they do, it's a better value. I'm not saying they are better than Ariza, they could be because they have room to grow, but I'm saying I would rather have them, than have Ariza here for 4 or 5 years on a 8-10 mill a year contract. I'm not saying Ariza is a bad player, I am not saying I don't like him. I just don't want to over pay him, I've said this before, there are players that you can not afford to not over pay and there are players that you can not afford to over pay. In my opinion, Ariza is in that second group.

Gambit -- if my criticism made you feel defensive, I apologize. My bad.

I don't believe in over-paying anyone. And, IMO, if you acquire a super-star (e.g. someone like LeBron -- duh! -- or even Love), it's almost impossible to overpay that player. Their productivity delta over other guys is so large that they buy you wins at what turns out to be a bargain rate.

With a few exceptions every once in a while, the only really bargain NBA salaries are either rookie salaries or max salaries for a genuine top-tier player (i.e. not someone paid like a superstar who may be very good but isn't that extra special producer -- Kyrie Irving comes to mind).

In that sense, no doubt, both Green and Barnes are very good value for $$ on their current deals, so I'd be happy to have either one. It's just that neither of them is a player I think anyone can build around. Barnes might command too much $$ in his 2d contract, just because he was a high pick -- that does happen sometimes. But Green is likely to be a good player for what he gets paid over many years.

I don't think either or both would replace Ariza, but I agree that there's a risk in signing Trevor for the @ $10m/year he's pretty likely to get. With Barnes in his place, for example, I'm quite sure we'd win fewer games, but we might be better positioned for the future; i.e. we'd have more flexibility.

So, I made it more black and white than I should have.

Sorry if I sounded defensive. I just felt the need to air out the fact that I do not dislike Ariza in any way! I am so adamant about letting him walk, only because I fell like we are not going to keep him at a fair price. I can see where you are coming from about the winning less games thing, but we have to factor in Porter and Rice s well. They had very little impact last year, not because of overall poor play, but because of lack of minutes. I think we would be more ok, than most people think. The likely hood of Porter, rice and another young SF all failing is minimal. IMO.

[stevemcqueen1]

Could the Wizards and Pistons work out a sign and trade based around Ariza and Greg Monroe?

[Wizardspride]

Could the Wizards and Pistons work out a sign and trade based around Ariza and Greg Monroe?

I would assume they'd ask for Otto as well.

And more than likely a 1st.

[TheKingOfVa360]

I personally would like a sign and trade of Ariza for Jamal Crawford and a pick. Crawford is old but is the scoring punch we need off the bench.

[stevemcqueen1]

Could the Wizards and Pistons work out a sign and trade based around Ariza and Greg Monroe?

I would assume they'd ask for Otto as well.

And more than likely a 1st.

I'd be fine including a first but not Otto.

Losing both Ariza and Otto puts us in a big hole at SF.

I doubt Ariza agrees to a S&T with Detroit though. But maybe an inseason trade if both players stay put this offseason.

[LyricalRico]

I personally would like a sign and trade of Ariza for Jamal Crawford and a pick. Crawford is old but is the scoring punch we need off the bench.

Now that's an interesting idea. The problem would be that LAC already lost Collison, so they'd have no backup guards after that deal.

Maybe expand it to Ariza+Miller for Crawford+Dudley?

[montestewart]

I personally would like a sign and trade of Ariza for Jamal Crawford and a pick. Crawford is old but is the scoring punch we need off the bench.

Now that's an interesting idea. The problem would be that LAC already lost Collison, so they'd have no backup guards after that deal.

Maybe expand it to Ariza+Miller for Crawford+Dudley?

What's Maynor doing?

[penbeast0]

Jamal Crawford? Really? Didn't we just get rid of his younger, cheaper, twin brother from another mother Jordan?

[dlts20]

yeah, Im not down with the Crawford stuff

[80sballboy]

Jamal Crawford? Really? Didn't we just get rid of his younger, cheaper, twin brother from another mother Jordan?

That's a sin to compare Jordan with the 2x Sixth Man of the Year.

[gambitx777]

I think we could try to maybe bring in jon leure, maybe take a run at one of the Rocket young big to help them with cap space. Something of that nature with our trade exception, Something like that.

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I think we could try to maybe bring in jon leure, maybe take a run at one of the Rocket young big to help them with cap space. Something of that nature with our trade exception, Something like that.

Leuer plays for the Grizzlies; he's been a tremendous bargain, is under contract, and I can't imagine they're looking to trade him.

But you bring up something interesting re: Houston. I don't know who you're thinking of on the Rockets -- but Greg Smith is an unrestricted FA, I believe, and (unless he's injured...?) he would be a fantastic guy to pick up.

Smith is a year+ younger than Seraphin, about the same size, and a waaaay better player. His workout videos on DR showed him to be a very talented player, and he put up very good numbers for Houston (making me wonder why he's unrestricted now). He went undrafted in 2011, and I had my fingers crossed we'd pick him up after the draft (but... no such luck, alas).

This is the kind of guy that we'll blink twice and see him on the Spurs roster next year! I'd rather have him here.

[Dark Faze]

I personally would like a sign and trade of Ariza for Jamal Crawford and a pick. Crawford is old but is the scoring punch we need off the bench.

id rather have vasquez

[Induveca]

I personally would like a sign and trade of Ariza for Jamal Crawford and a pick. Crawford is old but is the scoring punch we need off the bench.

id rather have vasquez

You can't he's signed to a multi year deal.

[gambitx777]

I think we could try to maybe bring in jon leure, maybe take a run at one of the Rocket young big to help them with cap space. Something of that nature with our trade exception, Something like that.

Leuer plays for the Grizzlies; he's been a tremendous bargain, is under contract, and I can't imagine they're looking to trade him.

But you bring up something interesting re: Houston. I don't know who you're thinking of on the Rockets -- but Greg Smith is an unrestricted FA, I believe, and (unless he's injured...?) he would be a fantastic guy to pick up.

Smith is a year+ younger than Seraphin, about the same size, and a waaaay better player. His workout videos on DR showed him to be a very talented player, and he put up very good numbers for Houston (making me wonder why he's unrestricted now). He went undrafted in 2011, and I had my fingers crossed we'd pick him up after the draft (but... no such luck, alas).

This is the kind of guy that we'll blink twice and see him on the Spurs roster next year! I'd rather have him here.

Well, as I said, we have trade acceptations, Jon does not get much playing time there. He could very well be traded for some cash or future considerations, seeing that they have stokes now.

As for Huston, Donatas Motiejunas fell out of favor in the playoff's and it's at the very least possible that we could pull him away if they are trying to dump cap room.

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I think we could try to maybe bring in jon leure, maybe take a run at one of the Rocket young big to help them with cap space. Something of that nature with our trade exception, Something like that.

Leuer plays for the Grizzlies; he's been a tremendous bargain, is under contract, and I can't imagine they're looking to trade him.

But you bring up something interesting re: Houston. I don't know who you're thinking of on the Rockets -- but Greg Smith is an unrestricted FA, I believe, and (unless he's injured...?) he would be a fantastic guy to pick up.

Smith is a year+ younger than Seraphin, about the same size, and a waaaay better player. His workout videos on DR showed him to be a very talented player, and he put up very good numbers for Houston (making me wonder why he's unrestricted now). He went undrafted in 2011, and I had my fingers crossed we'd pick him up after the draft (but... no such luck, alas).

This is the kind of guy that we'll blink twice and see him on the Spurs roster next year! I'd rather have him here.

Well, as I said, we have trade acceptations, Jon does not get much playing time there. He could very well be traded for some cash or future considerations, seeing that they have stokes now.

As for Huston, Donatas Motiejunas fell out of favor in the playoff's and it's at the very least possible that we could pull him away if they are trying to dump cap room.

TBH, I'd be more interested in Smith! Still... those are pretty good ideas. Motiejunas especially.

edit -- I mean Leuer especially....