Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[the ultimates]

I am not anti Rose trust me but no player has ever missed the time Rose has and has come back to form. If you have the example please site it. I am sure my logic doesn't make sense, but honestly I can't see yours so I need you to expound on it a bit more.

Here is where you are getting confused. You're assuming the injuries have made him a lesser player physically when the ACL did not do that and the meniscus isn't going to do that (Westbrook). Yes he was rusty and he probably will be to start next season but that goes away as you play. Not being as quick, lacking elevation those are sign of past injuries taking a toll. People have to stop confusing rust with actual physically diminished skills which is what you've done.

I missed the first part. When have injuries in sports not diminished a player? Adrian Peterson perhaps. Some come back no doubt. Derricks game is pretty psychical though. Minimal play in three years is as I said kinda new ground. It has gotten better medically without a doubt. That being said though why wouldn't Melo question it?

Look no further than baseball and Stephen Strasburg who had Tommy John surgery which like an ACL decades before it was considered a career ending injury. Now players get the surgery and they comeback throwing harder than they were before initially being injured. Tim Hardaway and Bardon Davis both played well after tearing their ACL's the difference between those two and Derrick is he isn't going to let himself get out shape like the other guys. Again your confusing rust (not being in sync and playing) with the actual loss of physical ability. Yes he missed a lot of time and he will be rusty but you make it seem like he will have totally forgot how to play ball at the highest level.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Man, Jo has been a real trooper with all his involvement in the recruiting process. Hopefully he starts and ends his career as a Bull, not just because he has recruited for us, but just due to his devoted commitment to this franchise. Other players may come and go, but hopefully he stays and has his jersey retired as a Bull.

Agreed. I'd love to see Jo retire only ever wearing a Bulls jersey.

[Droseisthe1]

I still have an odd feeling that he might be coming here. Call it wishful thinking, but I just feel he'll see past the knicks facade.

[LoveDaBoo]

So much information flying around! I reckon I preferred the off season before twitter!

Not just twitter, but the internet, sports-talk, ESPN, the 24-hour news cycle...

These "experts" are guessing. Really, 95% or so of the blather is pure BS. They don't know anything, but they're brought on shows to fill time. They'll relay any stupid rumor, no matter the source. It's impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Ironically, as information has become far easier to disperse, the quality has dropped. Signal-to-noise ratio way down; even as the pie of information has dramatically increased, the slice that's worth a damn has shrunk to a tiny portion of the whole.

[kurtatx]

Man, Jo has been a real trooper with all his involvement in the recruiting process. Hopefully he starts and ends his career as a Bull, not just because he has recruited for us, but just due to his devoted commitment to this franchise. Other players may come and go, but hopefully he stays and has his jersey retired as a Bull.

Agreed. I'd love to see Jo retire only ever wearing a Bulls jersey.

Barring some ridiculous contract request or a major drop in performance, I would be happy to have him retire a Bull. Things change, however. We all felt this way about Derrick Rose at one point.

[bullsnewdynasty]

if they sign Gasol its gonna be one of the most puzzling moves this front office made

we got a 23 year old PF waiting in the wings

I think FO believes the Championship window starts today. Gasol has experience and success they are looking for.

Without Melo there is no championship window. In the case the Bulls don't land Melo, their plan should be to continue to add young talent on the rise and stay competitive in the Love talks, not blow their cap space on an aging PF.

[Sonny_D1]

I still have an odd feeling that he might be coming here. Call it wishful thinking, but I just feel he'll see past the knicks facade.

[LoveDaBoo]

Man, Jo has been a real trooper with all his involvement in the recruiting process. Hopefully he starts and ends his career as a Bull, not just because he has recruited for us, but just due to his devoted commitment to this franchise. Other players may come and go, but hopefully he stays and has his jersey retired as a Bull.

Well, he's very gregarious. Kinda built for this sort of thing. How many athletes would you rather hang around with?

[waffle]

point probably already made

Lakers get Melo

What about Love????

[Magilla_Gorilla]

if they sign Gasol its gonna be one of the most puzzling moves this front office made

we got a 23 year old PF waiting in the wings

I think FO believes the Championship window starts today. Gasol has experience and success they are looking for.

Without Melo there is no championship window. In the case the Bulls don't land Melo, their plan should be to continue to add young talent on the rise and stay competitive in the Love talks, not blow their cap space on an aging PF.

Such as? The east is weak enough that a Rose led team with Gasol could make it out of the East.

[the ultimates]

We never saw the ACL fully played out though and I am only speaking from Melos perspective. 10 games most not good the last few well really good. He refused to come back after the ACL. Perhaps by no means sure that may have contributed to the MCL. Now questioning to play with team USA. Just talking from Melos perspective who saw granted a much much lesser player in Shumpert come back and having to deal with Amare, you might understand that he might have a question mark or two.

What is more likely to happen. Rose stays healthy or a rookie coach and general manager put together a championship roster? I think Melo saw the ACL as just fine win Derrick hit the game winner against them at the United Center. Plus Melo defended Derrick about how he handled the ACL injury saying people need to lay off him and let him do his rehab and not rush him. Has Shumpert lost any quickness or athleticism since his ACL tear nope. See you can't say Westbrook and Rose isn't a fare comparison but throw in Amare'. Amare' had micro fracture surgery and a degenerative knee condition which is much worse than anything Rose has had.

You win. Melo is here. Derrick is god. I'm just asking you to look at it realistically

As long as you stop confusing rust with actual physical diminished capabilities were all good.

[kurtatx]

if they sign Gasol its gonna be one of the most puzzling moves this front office made

we got a 23 year old PF waiting in the wings

I think FO believes the Championship window starts today. Gasol has experience and success they are looking for.

Without Melo there is no championship window. In the case the Bulls don't land Melo, their plan should be to continue to add young talent on the rise and stay competitive in the Love talks, not blow their cap space on an aging PF.

Disagree. This is the Eastern Conference. In the West you're 100% right, but the East is just so weak at this point.

[Red Larrivee]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891734405439488[/tweet]

I know Bulls plan was 'take less', but man actually seeing terms and trying to think from Melo's standpoint, it's just not that convincing.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891999741304833[/tweet]

I am still keeping sliver of hope that he'll put faith in the Bulls roster, but that is still a huge leap.

Melo called our presentation "tremendous."

[MalikJoakim24]

Does bullslas have sources.

No clue, do you know what page he posted that on? If so, can you link me to it? I want to see his user profile and look through his previous posts.

I think it was page 46

He said this earlier:
We'll I know where Melo is staying.
Boozer will be a Jazz. The deal is done
my source said to me last night..you need to relax its in the bag... ..doing my own sleuthing i find it interesting that Melo spends full day visiting Chicago before his visit with our FO while he is splitting day in Texas.
Utah is getting Boozer... Count on it...

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

This thread is moving too fast, cant keep up with anything

[coldfish]

Rescuing CFs sub discussion and combining these posts:

If the Bulls don't get Melo, that's disappointing but not the end of the world. I didn't expect it. For the love of all that is good and holy though, can we drop the whole "flexibility" thing? Please? Can we just try to put the best team possible on the court now? No maneuvering for capspace that will amount to nothing. No dumping players for assets that won't be used. I don't want the Bulls to trade future firsts for bad players or take on awful contracts. They don't have to be Brooklyn stupid.
Just: Let's try to put the best team we can on the court.

I just don't ever want to see another Bulls team where most of the money on the roster is going to people who are there for the sake of "future flexibility".

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-strategy-crucial-anthonys-tour-winds-down

The idea of a deeper, well-rounded squad, while not the big splash many Bulls fans are hoping for this summer, is appealing because of the success of the San Antonio Spurs, who used that model to defeat the star-studded Miami Heat in June’s NBA Finals.

Agree, and yet the problem here is that a "well rounded club like the Spurs" takes actually ***good players*** and not just any random player trying hard.

Unfortunately there is a lot of confusion about what is actually a good player, whether from fanbaes or even Front Offices. If we think a Marco Belinelli level guys is such, we are wrong by and large. Instructive to note that despite his reformation in SA he barely got on the court during the Finals.

There is no substituting for real talent.

Obviously I agree.

The Bulls have some money to spend if they don't get Melo. Pops and Buford have made a living of finding quality players on the scrap heap. The Bulls should do so also. IMO, they should have the shooting fixed if M&M match their billing. They need some multi skilled players now and ball handlers.

I just think the Bulls need to finally let go of the dynasty. They aren't getting Pippen and Jordan. Just give up on the superstar route. Build a team of legit good players with a top level coach trying to win both ends of the court.

I know a lot of people will be horrified at these thoughts. The idea that superstars win has a lot of historical backing behind it. The quandry is: What do you do if you can't get them? Do you give up?

[kurtatx]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891734405439488[/tweet]

I know Bulls plan was 'take less', but man actually seeing terms and trying to think from Melo's standpoint, it's just not that convincing.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891999741304833[/tweet]

I am still keeping sliver of hope that he'll put faith in the Bulls roster, but that is still a huge leap.

Melo called our presentation "tremendous."

Yet some posters are keen to throw the FO under the bus. We can't hold a gun to their head and make them sign a contract.

[Sonny_D1]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891734405439488[/tweet]

I know Bulls plan was 'take less', but man actually seeing terms and trying to think from Melo's standpoint, it's just not that convincing.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891999741304833[/tweet]

I am still keeping sliver of hope that he'll put faith in the Bulls roster, but that is still a huge leap.

Melo called our presentation "tremendous."

Maybe if they discussed hard numbers it would have been spectacular?

[Darius Miles Davis]

I'm somewhat irritated today. We did a better job with this recruiting pitch this year, but I think we miscalculated again. Taj Gibson should not have been at the meeting. He should have been positioned as a potential candidate for a trade. A Rose/Butler/Melo/Noah is a strong place to start.

In not providing an option for max cap space, to some extent (arguable, I know), we once again made the organizational mistake of not being willing to trade a lesser player for a star (such as Deng for Gasol, Deng for Kobe). We've done this before, and it's just not cool.

And, while I'm complaining, why are we continuing to look at other SF like Ariza? Right now, we have three talented SF types on the roster: Butler, Dunleavy, McDermott. If not Melo, why not try to pry a talented shooting guard away from another team with cap space (Boozer amnesty) and other assets?

[Morrison71]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891734405439488[/tweet]

I know Bulls plan was 'take less', but man actually seeing terms and trying to think from Melo's standpoint, it's just not that convincing.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BullsBlogger/status/484891999741304833[/tweet]

I am still keeping sliver of hope that he'll put faith in the Bulls roster, but that is still a huge leap.

I know I am wearing Bulls goggles but I am surprised people aren't talking more about how great the Bulls would be if Melo would come here and kept most everything together. I guess it's mostly because of the Rose injury situation, so that is understandable.