Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[Hans Embiid]

Hopefully we actually add Mirotic to the roster and Rose stays healthy. Still need a shooting guard.

Adding Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, a competent starting shooting guard and a competent backup point guard would definitely make us contenders ...

Rose/FA
FA/Butler/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Randolph
Noah/Smith/Bairstow

By the way, how much we would be able to spend on a starting shooting guard and a backup point guard after we sign Mirotic, assuming that we would amnesty/trade Boozer?

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Rose made the Bulls a top 10 offense in 2011 and 2012. If healthy he will make us a lot better offensively and if you acquire Lance and add Mirotic and mcDermott - in other words lights-out shooters - Bulls will be in pretty good shape scoring the basketball.

A rotation of

Rose/Lance/Butler/Taj/Jo
DJ/Snell/McBuckets/Niko

give us a top 5 offense and close to 100 PPG.

[ChiTownDuck]

Adding Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, a competent starting shooting guard and a competent backup point guard would definitely make us contenders ...

Rose/FA
FA/Butler/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Randolph
Noah/Smith/Bairstow

By the way, how much we would be able to spend on a starting shooting guard and a backup point guard after we sign Mirotic, assuming that we would amnesty/trade Boozer?

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Adding Rose, a competent shooting guard, Mirotic and McDermott gives us more than enough scoring ...

Expecting Mirotic or McDermott to be a decent NBA rotational player is reasonable. Expecting both of them to be counted on to score points on an NBA contender without any NBA experience is unrealistic.

[Midwest219]

Adding Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, a competent starting shooting guard and a competent backup point guard would definitely make us contenders ...

Rose/FA
FA/Butler/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Randolph
Noah/Smith/Bairstow

By the way, how much we would be able to spend on a starting shooting guard and a backup point guard after we sign Mirotic, assuming that we would amnesty/trade Boozer?

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Adding Rose, a competent shooting guard, Mirotic and McDermott gives us more than enough scoring ...

If no Melo, get Lance, sign DJ. IMO I think Butler will Improve as a player scoring wise, no way Thibs runs Jimmy into the ground after all of the bad talk about Thibs, think about it. We could end up trading MDJ sometime during the season, why not?

[ChiTownDuck]

Adding Rose, Mirotic, McDermott, a competent starting shooting guard and a competent backup point guard would definitely make us contenders ...

Rose/FA
FA/Butler/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Randolph
Noah/Smith/Bairstow

By the way, how much we would be able to spend on a starting shooting guard and a backup point guard after we sign Mirotic, assuming that we would amnesty/trade Boozer?

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Rose made the Bulls a top 10 offense in 2011 and 2012. If healthy he will make us a lot better offensively and if you acquire Lance and add Mirotic and mcDermott - in other words lights-out shooters - Bulls will be in pretty good shape scoring the basketball.

A rotation of

Rose/Lance/Butler/Taj/Jo
DJ/Snell/McBuckets/Niko

give us a top 5 offense and close to 100 PPG.

When they face real NBA defenses that are fast, rotate, recover, and with players that will body them up, how will they create enough separation and get those shots up?

[Hans Embiid]

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Rose made the Bulls a top 10 offense in 2011 and 2012. If healthy he will make us a lot better offensively and if you acquire Lance and add Mirotic and mcDermott - in other words lights-out shooters - Bulls will be in pretty good shape scoring the basketball.

A rotation of

Rose/Lance/Butler/Taj/Jo
DJ/Snell/McBuckets/Niko

give us a top 5 offense and close to 100 PPG.

When they face real NBA defenses that are fast, rotate, recover, and with players that will body them up, how will they create enough separation and get those shots up?

Which defenses do you mean?

In the East there will be only Miami as a challenge and they have awful defenders especially Wade.

[GMgoran]

No it doesn't. Not enough scoring.

Adding Rose, a competent shooting guard, Mirotic and McDermott gives us more than enough scoring ...

Expecting Mirotic or McDermott to be a decent NBA rotational player is reasonable. Expecting both of them to be counted on to score points on an NBA contender without any NBA experience is unrealistic.

Rose and the new starting shooting guard (Stephenson ?) would add scoring ... Mirotic and McDermott are already developed players who will contribute immediately ... I know that people are still obsessed with the idea of Melo, but we would actually add more scoring to the team if we miss on Melo and take the more conservative approach ... Also, we would be in a much better position to make a move for Love at the trading deadline, especially if Mirotic and McDermott adapt well to the league and start contributing immediately, as expected ...

[ChiTownDuck]

Rose made the Bulls a top 10 offense in 2011 and 2012. If healthy he will make us a lot better offensively and if you acquire Lance and add Mirotic and mcDermott - in other words lights-out shooters - Bulls will be in pretty good shape scoring the basketball.

A rotation of

Rose/Lance/Butler/Taj/Jo
DJ/Snell/McBuckets/Niko

give us a top 5 offense and close to 100 PPG.

When they face real NBA defenses that are fast, rotate, recover, and with players that will body them up, how will they create enough separation and get those shots up?

Which defenses do you mean?

In the East there will be only Miami as a challenge and they have awful defenders especially Wade.

Every defense that made the Bulls last in the league in scoring last season.

[Hans Embiid]

When they face real NBA defenses that are fast, rotate, recover, and with players that will body them up, how will they create enough separation and get those shots up?

Which defenses do you mean?

In the East there will be only Miami as a challenge and they have awful defenders especially Wade.

Every defense that made the Bulls last in the league in scoring last season.

Nobody cares about the RS. The playoffs matter and with this lineup there will be only Miami and the team out West. Relax.

[WinCity]

[ChiTownDuck]

Adding Rose, a competent shooting guard, Mirotic and McDermott gives us more than enough scoring ...

Expecting Mirotic or McDermott to be a decent NBA rotational player is reasonable. Expecting both of them to be counted on to score points on an NBA contender without any NBA experience is unrealistic.

Rose and the new starting shooting guard (Stephenson ?) would add scoring ... Mirotic and McDermott are already developed players who will contribute immediately ... I know that people are still obsessed by the idea of Melo, but we would actually add more scoring to the team if we miss on Melo and take the more conservative approach ... Also, we would be in a much better position to make a move for Love at the trading deadline, especially if Mirotic and McDermott adapt well to the league and start contributing immediately, as expected ...

Yes, if the argument is that they will score enough not to be last in the league this year then I agree. Two rooks off the bench, Stephenson, and now you are going to have to ask Rose to be superman again this year coming off two knee surgeries is not getting the Bulls enough points to get past the Heat.

[Midwest219]

Expecting Mirotic or McDermott to be a decent NBA rotational player is reasonable. Expecting both of them to be counted on to score points on an NBA contender without any NBA experience is unrealistic.

Rose and the new starting shooting guard (Stephenson ?) would add scoring ... Mirotic and McDermott are already developed players who will contribute immediately ... I know that people are still obsessed by the idea of Melo, but we would actually add more scoring to the team if we miss on Melo and take the more conservative approach ... Also, we would be in a much better position to make a move for Love at the trading deadline, especially if Mirotic and McDermott adapt well to the league and start contributing immediately, as expected ...

Yes, if the argument is that they will score enough not to be last in the league this year then I agree. Two rooks off the bench, Stephenson, and now you are going to have to ask Rose to be superman again this year coming off two knee surgeries is not getting the Bulls enough points to get past the Heat.

The Bulls are a Team when healthy, the cHeats ain't either way.

[ChiTownDuck]

Which defenses do you mean?

In the East there will be only Miami as a challenge and they have awful defenders especially Wade.

Every defense that made the Bulls last in the league in scoring last season.

Nobody cares about the RS. The playoffs matter and with this lineup there will be only Miami and the team out West. Relax.

Yeah, but they couldn't score in the regular season and then they coincidentally couldn't score in the playoffs. Just like the year before that and the year before that and in the ECF against the Heat they didn't have near enough scoring then either.

[kingkirk]

Question:

Assuming we whiff on Melo going forward are you still on board with Pax's ongoing plan to peruse flexibility to sign a star free agent?

Put it this way.

I am not on board with handing out a 10-12m contract should we amnesty Boozer just because we have the cap room to do it.

That sounds awfully like 2006 & 2010 for me. Using FA to sign tier 3 players to inflated deals is bad idea.

[kingkirk]

i mean really if you guys could have 2 players on ur roster would it be Asik and Melo or Noah and Deng?


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We'd be paying Asik & Melo 37m this season, and when you add that to Rose, who wouldn't be playing, we'd be paying 55m, so only 3m under the cap, which is not manageable.

[kingkirk]

Hes taking a few days to think about 130 million dollars.


Just, stating that for effect.

For further effect, i am taking 2 days to think about Melo thinking about his money.

I refer to it as 'the weekend'.

SOB.

[fleet]

I don't see much reason to worry about "flexibility" going forward. Worry about health. As long as Rose and Noah stays healthy, this team is very talented, balanced, and only needs to stay together. We have scoring forwards in the pipeline.

We only need a 2 guard that is a two way kind of guy. And can handle. He has to play defense first, because the young forwards are vulnerable in that area. Im not purposely trying to describe Lance Stephenson. That type though.

This team is not desperate for change. Flexibility was set up in order to make a big move this summer to close the deal. But nothing has to be done right away.

[WinCity]

Question:

Assuming we whiff on Melo going forward are you still on board with Pax's ongoing plan to peruse flexibility to sign a star free agent?

Put it this way.

I am not on board with handing out a 10-12m contract should we amnesty Boozer just because we have the cap room to do it.

That sounds awfully like 2006 & 2010 for me. Using FA to sign tier 3 players to inflated deals is bad idea.

I agree. I dont want Hayward, certainly dont want Deng back (although that would almost be worth it just for the LOL's) .

However, that's not really my point. Maybe you are not ready to jump into this discussion but what i am asking about is the new strategic approach going forward. Assuming we strike out on Melo I think its tome to reassess how we plan to build this time.

[kingkirk]

However, that's not really my point. Maybe you are not ready to jump into this discussion but what i am asking about is the new strategic approach going forward. Assuming we strike out on Melo I think its tome to reassess how we plan to build this time.

What is the opposing strategic decision in comparison to flexibility, just so i am clear?

I am sure everyone has their own definitions.

[GMgoran]

Expecting Mirotic or McDermott to be a decent NBA rotational player is reasonable. Expecting both of them to be counted on to score points on an NBA contender without any NBA experience is unrealistic.

Rose and the new starting shooting guard (Stephenson ?) would add scoring ... Mirotic and McDermott are already developed players who will contribute immediately ... I know that people are still obsessed by the idea of Melo, but we would actually add more scoring to the team if we miss on Melo and take the more conservative approach ... Also, we would be in a much better position to make a move for Love at the trading deadline, especially if Mirotic and McDermott adapt well to the league and start contributing immediately, as expected ...

Yes, if the argument is that they will score enough not to be last in the league this year then I agree. Two rooks off the bench, Stephenson, and now you are going to have to ask Rose to be superman again this year coming off two knee surgeries is not getting the Bulls enough points to get past the Heat.

Adding (healthy) Rose, Stephenson, Mirotic and McDermott would get us into the top 10 scoring teams, if not top 5 ... I can understand that you are not very optimistic about Mirotic, if you haven't seen enough of him, but he is a developed player at the age of 23 who has been playing professional basketball at a very respectable level for the past 4 years ... He is ready to contribute ... McDermott was the top shooter in the college game, he has gone through the entire 4-year development cycle and has variety of offensive weapons ... He is ready to contribute ...

To summarize, a (healthy) team made of Rose, Augustin, Stephenson, Butler, Dunleavy, McDermott, Gibson, Mirotic, Noah and Smith would go through Miami like a hot knife through butter ...

[BR0D1E86]

When they face real NBA defenses that are fast, rotate, recover, and with players that will body them up, how will they create enough separation and get those shots up?

Which defenses do you mean?

In the East there will be only Miami as a challenge and they have awful defenders especially Wade.

Every defense that made the Bulls last in the league in scoring last season.

Last season had little to do with this upcoming season. If Rose is healthy and McDermott and Mirotic come in and provide nothing other than competent floor spacing we should have a top 5-8 offense. Last season's offense generally came down to DJ Augustine playing hero ball. A guy who was waived mid season. Last season is irrelevant.