Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[MalagaBulls]

Rose and the new starting shooting guard (Stephenson ?) would add scoring ... Mirotic and McDermott are already developed players who will contribute immediately ... I know that people are still obsessed by the idea of Melo, but we would actually add more scoring to the team if we miss on Melo and take the more conservative approach ... Also, we would be in a much better position to make a move for Love at the trading deadline, especially if Mirotic and McDermott adapt well to the league and start contributing immediately, as expected ...

Yes, if the argument is that they will score enough not to be last in the league this year then I agree. Two rooks off the bench, Stephenson, and now you are going to have to ask Rose to be superman again this year coming off two knee surgeries is not getting the Bulls enough points to get past the Heat.

Adding (healthy) Rose, Stephenson, Mirotic and McDermott would get us into the top 10 scoring teams, if not top 5 ... I can understand that you are not very optimistic about Mirotic, if you haven't seen enough of him, but he is a developed player at the age of 23 who has been playing professional basketball at a very respectable level for the past 4 years ... He is ready to contribute ... McDermott was the top shooter in the college game, he has gone through the entire 4-year development cycle and has variety of offensive weapons ... He is ready to contribute ...

To summarize, a (healthy) team made of Rose, Augustin, Stephenson, Butler, Dunleavy, McDermott, Gibson, Mirotic, Noah and Smith would go through Miami like a hot knife through butter ...

Not exactly sure what we are discussing is relevant to what I am adding but Noah also adds value to the O with his pin point passing. Not quite sure you would define him as a creator but his passing can certainly be counted on.

[Chitownbulls]

Any news this morning?

Im starting to like the idea of Stephenson even though hes a nutcase.

Adding Rose, McDermott, Mirotic an Stephenson would be huge for us

[Knicksfan20]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

[musiqsoulchild]

However, that's not really my point. Maybe you are not ready to jump into this discussion but what i am asking about is the new strategic approach going forward. Assuming we strike out on Melo I think its tome to reassess how we plan to build this time.

What is the opposing strategic decision in comparison to flexibility, just so i am clear?

I am sure everyone has their own definitions.

Ahahahahah...

That was hella funny!

[Chitownbulls]

You take Butler, we keep McDermott an its a deal

[rtblues]

Time to move on, like I said a month ago, Melo will stay in New York.
Whole thing has been a charade to get max money in NY.
Fan base fell for it again, like Charlie Brown kicking the football that Lucy holds....

Just wanna say, NO LANCE, guy is overrated. Look carefully at all of his stats.
It's why Indiana doesn't wanna overpay, they know.

[kingkirk]

In the deal above, you're getting too many picks.

McD is a 1st rounder. You have the Sac pick, and 2 other picks, which i assume you mean they're firsts given you've noted the two 2nds separately.

So, for a guy that is a free agent and not on the NY books, you want effectively 4 1st round picks (including McBuckets) and 3 2nd round picks (including Bair) for a free agent?

A precedence doesn't exist where a guy getting S&T is moved for that many assets. You'd be getting 7 assets, plus all those contracts that expire in 2015.

That's way too much, man.

If that's what Phil would actually demand, we'd walk away and move onto Love.

[dumbell78]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR.

If I'm GarPax i hang up and move on. No way I'm doing that, all due respect to your proposal. I might be in the minority around here I don't know.

[kingkirk]

Ahahahahah...

That was hella funny!

When i try to be funny it never works and when im being serious, people laugh. I have no social skills.

[Knicksfan20]

In the deal above, you're getting too many picks.

McD is a 1st rounder. You have the Sac pick, and 2 other picks, which i assume you mean they're firsts given you've noted the two 2nds separately.

So, for a guy that is a free agent and not on the NY books, you want effectively 4 1st round picks (including McBuckets) and 3 2nd round picks (including Bair) for a free agent?

A precedence doesn't exist where a guy getting S&T is moved for that many assets. You'd be getting 7 assets, plus all those contracts that expire in 2015.

That's way too much, man.

If that's what Phil would actually demand, we'd walk away and move onto Love.

I did say i would be happy with 2 first rounders , but would start asking for 3.

Those 2 first rounders are essential picks in the high 20s.
The Kings pick from what i understand is heavily protected for years.
You can buy 2nd rounders for cash.... late 2nd round picks are not worth much at all.

You guys are keeping Mirotic and Gibson who are probably your two biggest assets?


I dont think the trade is as bad as you say. JR Smith is also one of the best 6 men in the league on a friendly contract. And although he is a super headcase, he can still contribute to a team and help them win.

[Chitownbulls]

McDermott himself is two 1st round picks....take him out an we got a deal

2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, Butler, Boozer, Mike Dunleavy for Melo an Smith

[musiqsoulchild]

Ahahahahah...

That was hella funny!

When i try to be funny it never works and when im being serious, people laugh. I have no social skills.

Sorry KC.

For a long time, several posters have been at the FO's throat when FO has said they want to keep flexibility in our cap structure and outlook.

When you asked what the opposite of that is, honestly that made me laugh. Because the alternative to flexibility is what gets you Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Amare Stoudemire, Ben Walllace types of deals.

[Knicksfan20]

You take Butler, we keep McDermott an its a deal

MCD is the only player on the bulls i would want. Butler is solid but the Knicks have a ton of guards/f already.


For me... IT would have to be a trade centered around either Gibson or Mcdermott. IF either of those guys are not in the trade, i would look elsewhere for a trade, or try to resign Melo.

And to be clear... I want MCD AND Butler (Or you can swap Mirotic for Butler)

[Chitownbulls]

I think McDermott is off the table....hes pick 16 & 19...thats like giving away 4 1st round picks

Butler would be a starter for you guys too

[kingkirk]

I did say i would be happy with 2 first rounders , but would start asking for 3.

Those 2 first rounders are essential picks in the high 20s.
The Kings pick from what i understand is heavily protected for years.
You can buy 2nd rounders for cash.... late 2nd round picks are not worth much at all.

You guys are keeping Mirotic and Gibson who are probably your two biggest assets?


I dont think the trade is as bad as you say. JR Smith is also one of the best 6 men in the league on a friendly contract. And although he is a super headcase, he can still contribute to a team and help them win.

For me, this is my thought process.

Assuming Boozer is involved, we'd need to compensate you for taking on his deal. I think that is worth 2 future 1sts, be it the Sac pick, Cavs pick or Bulls picks. You can have a combination of 2.

To the point above about Boozer, we're also taking Smith off your hands, which is a further 6m off your books which can be given to FAs. That's a plus for you guys.

We'd then offer you guys further cap relief by providing guys like Dunleavy, Amundson, James & Brewer, who will not touch your cap in 2015-16.

As the sweetner, you get a prospect in Mirotic. I'd happily give you the 2 2nd rounders we've acquired as well.

So, essentially, what i'd be prepared to give the Knicks is as follows:

Boozer, Dunleavy, Brewer, Amundson, James, Mirotic, 2 1sts (of your choice) & 2 2nd rounders.

In the above deal, you get no contracts on your books past this season & significant savings, effectively 3 1st round picks when you include Mirotic and a further 2 2nd rounders, making that 5 picks included in the deal.

If Melo was signed with New York, similar to how Love is still under contract in Minnesota, then we'd need to be talking about adding a Butler, Gibson etc, but he is a free agent.

You lose some - but not all - leverage here imo.

[Knicksfan20]

I did say i would be happy with 2 first rounders , but would start asking for 3.

Those 2 first rounders are essential picks in the high 20s.
The Kings pick from what i understand is heavily protected for years.
You can buy 2nd rounders for cash.... late 2nd round picks are not worth much at all.

You guys are keeping Mirotic and Gibson who are probably your two biggest assets?


I dont think the trade is as bad as you say. JR Smith is also one of the best 6 men in the league on a friendly contract. And although he is a super headcase, he can still contribute to a team and help them win.

For me, this is my thought process.

Assuming Boozer is involved, we'd need to compensate you for taking on his deal. I think that is worth 2 future 1sts, be it the Sac pick, Cavs pick or Bulls picks. You can have a combination of 2.

To the point above about Boozer, we're also taking Smith off your hands, which is a further 6m off your books which can be given to FAs. That's a plus for you guys.

We'd then offer you guys further cap relief by providing guys like Dunleavy, Amundson, James & Brewer, who will not touch your cap in 2015-16.

As the sweetner, you get a prospect in Mirotic. I'd happily give you the 2 2nd rounders we've acquired as well.

So, essentially, what i'd be prepared to give the Knicks is as follows:

Boozer, Dunleavy, Brewer, Amundson, James, Mirotic, 2 1sts (of your choice) & 2 2nd rounders.

In the above deal, you get no contracts on your books past this season & significant savings, effectively 3 1st round picks when you include Mirotic and a further 2 2nd rounders, making that 5 picks included in the deal.

If Melo was signed with New York, similar to how Love is still under contract in Minnesota, then we'd need to be talking about adding a Butler, Gibson etc, but he is a free agent.

You lose some - but not all - leverage here imo.

Thing is... I have no interest in Mirotic at all. So having him be the centerpiece of a deal is not going to work.


JR can be taken out of the deal, but if your trading Butler, i would think you would want a SG who can play 30 mpg a night if need be. JR yes is on contract and we would get relief, but he is also a 13-16 ppg type of player and can play defense and spreads the floor. (JR is a solid defender, despite what your opinion of him may be)


MCD has to be in the deal for me, or i want Taj Gibson.


Thats just me though.... We could walk away with nothing for Melo , but i doubt it. I strongly believe Jackson will get value for Melo if we end up trading him.

[SteelerSpartan]

there's no way your getting one of our win now pieces.....the whole point of Melo coming here is to win in year 1

so that means no taj or jimmy if it were up to me

mirotic would have been top 5-7 pick in this years deep draft

mirotic,mdj,snell,+picks is more then fair....and maybe we take back jr

[GMgoran]

Considering that the Lakers have offered Melo the maximum $97 million/4 years contract, I still think that they are the only other possible destination for him, if he decides to leave NY ...

[BR0D1E86]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

Remember when the Knicks gutted their roster for Melo? This is more than that.

[kingkirk]

Thing is... I have no interest in Mirotic at all. So having him be the centerpiece of a deal is not going to work.


JR can be taken out of the deal, but if your trading Butler, i would think you would want a SG who can play 30 mpg a night if need be. JR yes is on contract and we would get relief, but he is also a 13-16 ppg type of player and can play defense and spreads the floor. (JR is a solid defender, despite what your opinion of him may be)


MCD has to be in the deal for me, or i want Taj Gibson.


Thats just me though.... We could walk away with nothing for Melo , but i doubt it. I strongly believe Jackson will get value for Melo if we end up trading him.

McD i think is as untouchable as a rookie can be for the Bulls. The FO loves him, and have been tracking him for 4 years. Thibs likes him as well.

Mirotic, at this point, would be more available from the Bulls perspective, so that would be an impasse.

As for Taj, Melo wants him on the team, and wanted him there when we met with him.

So, i don't think the FO would trade Taj & McD for Melo, as i am not sure Melo would want that himself.

So, we'd reach an impasse.

At that point, i am not sure what happens. I don't think our FO would do it.

I think, well, i hope they'd move onto Love if that we the case and offer Mirotic, Butler, Unguranteeds and a bunch of picks for Love.