Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[kingkirk]

I believe coldfish mentioned this earlier today, and he was dead right.

LA offering Melo the max is a good thing for Chicago. If he truly wants to be a Bull, he could always go to NY and say, 'trade me to the Bulls for a reasonable deal so all parties win, or i walk and sign in LA and you get nada'.

Having no one else being some threat, it makes it tougher for us $ wise.

Now, LA may not be a very real threat, but so long as they have that ability to do so, we're still in play.

However, this thought process would require Melo to actually want the Bulls.

There is 129m reasons why that may never eventuate, though.

[Knicksfan20]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

Remember when the Knicks gutted their roster for Melo? This is more than that.

The bulls wouldnt be gutting their roster... They would trade mostly rookies and future picks. Your entire team would still be there. + Mirotic. Only rotation player you would lose is Butler in this deal. And MDL.


You lose Boozer... Add Mirotic (and gibson starting)
You lose MDL You add Melo
You lose Butler you add JR.

Your team is far from gutted. The Knicks traded 4 starters for 2 and Gallo had more value at that point then MCD does. Just sucks for Gallo that he got injured. Gallo could have been an 18/6/5 type of player with solid defense/athleticism.

Gallo is 10x the defender MCD is and a better athlete as well.

[coldfish]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

Ugh.

Ask yourself this. If you were the Bulls, would you rather have:
Taj Gibson and the MLE this year
The room exception, 3 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, McDermott, Bairstow, Butler

I think the capspace idea is a bad one and have said it many times. I place a lot of value on Gibson. That being said, there comes a point where S&T becomes ridiculous and you are well past it. If that was the price for Melo and he only would take a max deal, Chicago trades Gibson for a future first and gives Melo his max. NY gets nothing.

.......

The problem here is that what Melo wants is his 5/130. He doesn't want to play in Chicago.

After the "decision" went down, a raptors fan came on the Bulls board and angrily told us that we should have traded Noah for Bosh beforehand because then we could have had Bosh. We were all dumbfounded. Why would giving away Noah make the Bulls more attractive?

That's where you are at right now. Melo has already decided to take the 5/130 over the superior team. Giving up a ton of that superior team is not going to make the Bulls more attractive. Unless all the recent reports are wrong, its over.

[pomelorock69]

In the deal above, you're getting too many picks.

McD is a 1st rounder. You have the Sac pick, and 2 other picks, which i assume you mean they're firsts given you've noted the two 2nds separately.

So, for a guy that is a free agent and not on the NY books, you want effectively 4 1st round picks (including McBuckets) and 3 2nd round picks (including Bair) for a free agent?

A precedence doesn't exist where a guy getting S&T is moved for that many assets. You'd be getting 7 assets, plus all those contracts that expire in 2015.

That's way too much, man.

If that's what Phil would actually demand, we'd walk away and move onto Love.

You're right it is a bit steep to ask. However, I would give a decent amount of pick if that guarantees Melo. If the Bulls are any good, those picks are going to be in the low 20's for the foreseeable future. The thing is, IMHO, this is the summer to pull a big move and, if it ain't Melo (Love being a longshot), I don't see other option than going all in on the Melo sweepstake.

[Chitownbulls]

Id do what it takes to get me Melo

Imo Bulls probably offered the knicks 16&19 an they refused. You guys get Mirotic, we keep McDermott and call it a deal

[coldfish]

I believe coldfish mentioned this earlier today, and he was dead right.

LA offering Melo the max is a good thing for Chicago. If he truly wants to be a Bull, he could always go to NY and say, 'trade me to the Bulls for a reasonable deal so all parties win, or i walk and sign in LA and you get nada'.

Having no one else being some threat, it makes it tougher for us $ wise.

Now, LA may not be a very real threat, but so long as they have that ability to do so, we're still in play.

However, this thought process would require Melo to actually want the Bulls.

There is 129m reasons why that may never eventuate, though.

Yup.

Its all set up for a reasonable sign and trade. If it doesn't happen, there is only only one reason why. Well, 129 million reasons why.

[punkmodafunk]

The possible s&t with the Knicks won't involve both McD and Mirotic. The Bulls won't accept that. I'm guessing the guy in the line is Mirotic, that 's why we've been talking with Pau.

On the other hand giving Butler is also possible, in order to receive JR. But with that , I wouldn't give more than aa 2nd round pick. Butler is one of the best D's in the wings, and Mirotic would be on the top of the draft and has already experience in a competition like the Euroleague.

I'd say MDJ + Boozer + Mirotic + 1st is an acceptable deal.

[SSSFreak]

I really want to break out the Duane gif. Dammit Melo.

[Knicksfan20]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

Ugh.

Ask yourself this. If you were the Bulls, would you rather have:
Taj Gibson and the MLE this year
The room exception, 3 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, McDermott, Bairstow, Butler

I think the capspace idea is a bad one and have said it many times. I place a lot of value on Gibson. That being said, there comes a point where S&T becomes ridiculous and you are well past it. If that was the price for Melo and he only would take a max deal, Chicago trades Gibson for a future first and gives Melo his max. NY gets nothing.

.......

The problem here is that what Melo wants is his 5/130. He doesn't want to play in Chicago.

After the "decision" went down, a raptors fan came on the Bulls board and angrily told us that we should have traded Noah for Bosh beforehand because then we could have had Bosh. We were all dumbfounded. Why would giving away Noah make the Bulls more attractive?

That's where you are at right now. Melo has already decided to take the 5/130 over the superior team. Giving up a ton of that superior team is not going to make the Bulls more attractive. Unless all the recent reports are wrong, its over.

I dont understand your post.

The fact that some of you fans are saying that the Bulls have all the leverage is false. As you mentioned, we are the only team that can offer him a 5 yr max. Thats what he wants.

We were in the same situation mid 2010. We had the capspace in the summer to sign him, but he wanted his money so we had to ante up. Situation is the same here.

I dont think my trade offer is as bad as you think. You guys are under the belief that you will get Melo for cheap because he is a UFA. But we are the only team that can pay him all his money. So either he is signed and traded for a deal that makes us content, or we just sign him. So we do have some leverage here.


Nobody wants Boozer. He is a player that will probably be bought out if he is traded here. He is being paid a **** ton of money, thats a big hit to take even if just for one year.

MDL is still a solid player in the league, but getting up there in age and cant defend. Could be bought out as well if we want to just go youth. But i think he would stay on the roster. Solid vet and triangle fit.


You have Snell... Who would probably be a better fit next to Melo anyways. Unless Butler can magically turn into a 38% 3pt shooter. So losing Butler wont kill you. He wont be as good a defender as Butler, but he can spread the floor. Can probably give you a solid 20-24 mpg and 8/4/1 with good shooting and defense.


Only player of extreme value you would be losing is MCD. And he is a terrible defender and wont rebound well at the next level. Just going to be a scorer/shooter.

The future picks will be 26 or later. Who cares.
the second round picks will be late ones... You can buy 2nd round picks if you want.


You wouldnt trade MCD Butler Boozer and MDJR for Melo and JR? Because essentially thats how you have to look at the deal. Those picks wont be that valueable. Even if Rose got injured, youre still a top 3 team in the east.

Noah/Mirotic
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/Snell
Snell/JR
Rose/Hinrich

That team is competing for titles... And you dont want to make that deal happen because you dont want to trade late 20's picks?

I honestly dont get it.

[Knicksfan20]

I believe coldfish mentioned this earlier today, and he was dead right.

LA offering Melo the max is a good thing for Chicago. If he truly wants to be a Bull, he could always go to NY and say, 'trade me to the Bulls for a reasonable deal so all parties win, or i walk and sign in LA and you get nada'.

Having no one else being some threat, it makes it tougher for us $ wise.

Now, LA may not be a very real threat, but so long as they have that ability to do so, we're still in play.

However, this thought process would require Melo to actually want the Bulls.

There is 129m reasons why that may never eventuate, though.

Yup.

Its all set up for a reasonable sign and trade. If it doesn't happen, there is only only one reason why. Well, 129 million reasons why.

La max is not the NY Max. Knicks are in a better situation then the Lakers are. Front office wise. And Kobe and Melo wouldnt mesh. Plus Melo would stunt Randle's growth. Would be dumb for LA honestly. They are about to become the new NYK's. THey have no idea what they are doing over there.

Melo is also not going to burn his bridges here.

[fleet]

I believe coldfish mentioned this earlier today, and he was dead right.

LA offering Melo the max is a good thing for Chicago. If he truly wants to be a Bull, he could always go to NY and say, 'trade me to the Bulls for a reasonable deal so all parties win, or i walk and sign in LA and you get nada'.

Having no one else being some threat, it makes it tougher for us $ wise.

Now, LA may not be a very real threat, but so long as they have that ability to do so, we're still in play.

However, this thought process would require Melo to actually want the Bulls.

There is 129m reasons why that may never eventuate, though.

Yup.

Its all set up for a reasonable sign and trade. If it doesn't happen, there is only only one reason why. Well, 129 million reasons why.

Fugazi Melo is about to be exposed for good. No more fig leaf. I wish I was wrong. He'll blame his wife and kids. His wife will actually step and take the bullet for him.

[coldfish]

You guys Add Melo with the Majority of your core, you guys are still competing in the east. Assume Rose isnt healthy and his career is finished.... You can still do work with a roster of

Noah
Gib or Mirotic
Melo
Butler
Hinrich


Phil Jackson is not stupid and he knows what Melo can bring in. You guys are not going to sign Melo outright and youre not going to get him for peanuts.

I realize asking for Gibson or Butler is being a bit greedy on top of the rest, but neither MCD or Bairstow have played an nba min. Dont know what they have. You guys have Snell who can develop into a 3d, so Butler is a bit more expendable then Gibson is. Deal that gets it done...

2 picks + sac pick ( can live with 2 picks instead of three, i would start asking for 3 though)
2 2nd round picks
MCD
Bairstow
Boozer
Butler
MDJR

+ trade exceptions

for

Melo
JR Smith

Bulls potential rotation.

Noah/Nazr
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/JR
Snell/JR/Hinrich
Rose/Hinrich

Healthy rose, that, that team is competing for multiple championships. IMO you pay the price for Melo to get you guys to that next level. That roster + Thibs would be scary good.


I know i will get bashed, but its ok. But that deal makes both parties happy.

Ugh.

Ask yourself this. If you were the Bulls, would you rather have:
Taj Gibson and the MLE this year
The room exception, 3 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, McDermott, Bairstow, Butler

I think the capspace idea is a bad one and have said it many times. I place a lot of value on Gibson. That being said, there comes a point where S&T becomes ridiculous and you are well past it. If that was the price for Melo and he only would take a max deal, Chicago trades Gibson for a future first and gives Melo his max. NY gets nothing.

.......

The problem here is that what Melo wants is his 5/130. He doesn't want to play in Chicago.

After the "decision" went down, a raptors fan came on the Bulls board and angrily told us that we should have traded Noah for Bosh beforehand because then we could have had Bosh. We were all dumbfounded. Why would giving away Noah make the Bulls more attractive?

That's where you are at right now. Melo has already decided to take the 5/130 over the superior team. Giving up a ton of that superior team is not going to make the Bulls more attractive. Unless all the recent reports are wrong, its over.

I dont understand your post.

The fact that some of you fans are saying that the Bulls have all the leverage is false. As you mentioned, we are the only team that can offer him a 5 yr max. Thats what he wants.

We were in the same situation mid 2010. We had the capspace in the summer to sign him, but he wanted his money so we had to ante up. Situation is the same here.

I dont think my trade offer is as bad as you think. You guys are under the belief that you will get Melo for cheap because he is a UFA. But we are the only team that can pay him all his money. So either he is signed and traded for a deal that makes us content, or we just sign him. So we do have some leverage here.


Nobody wants Boozer. He is a player that will probably be bought out if he is traded here. He is being paid a **** ton of money, thats a big hit to take even if just for one year.

MDL is still a solid player in the league, but getting up there in age and cant defend. Could be bought out as well if we want to just go youth. But i think he would stay on the roster. Solid vet and triangle fit.


You have Snell... Who would probably be a better fit next to Melo anyways. Unless Butler can magically turn into a 38% 3pt shooter. So losing Butler wont kill you. He wont be as good a defender as Butler, but he can spread the floor. Can probably give you a solid 20-24 mpg and 8/4/1 with good shooting and defense.


Only player of extreme value you would be losing is MCD. And he is a terrible defender and wont rebound well at the next level. Just going to be a scorer/shooter.

The future picks will be 26 or later. Who cares.
the second round picks will be late ones... You can buy 2nd round picks if you want.


You wouldnt trade MCD Butler Boozer and MDJR for Melo and JR? Because essentially thats how you have to look at the deal. Those picks wont be that valueable. Even if Rose got injured, youre still a top 3 team in the east.

Noah/Mirotic
Gibson/Mirotic
Melo/Snell
Snell/JR
Rose/Hinrich

That team is competing for titles... And you dont want to make that deal happen because you dont want to trade late 20's picks?

I honestly dont get it.

I'm not sure you understand the rules. They changed the CBA.

The max that the Bulls can offer Anthony is 4/96. They can offer Melo that by trading Gibson.
The max that Anthony can get in sign and trade is 4/96.

The ONLY team that Anthony can play on and get the 5/130 is NY.

The Bulls simply have no need to trade Butler, McDermott, Bairstow, 3 1sts and 2 2nds to get Melo his money. Would YOU trade all of that for Gibson and an MLE player?

If Melo wanted 5/96, he would be a Bull or maybe a Rocket or a Laker. He doesn't. He wants his 5/130 and the only team that he can play for and get that is NY.

[Rerisen]

Bulls face long odds of landing Carmelo Anthony

By KC Johnson
...
As the Lakers used a video by the producer of "The Matrix" in their Thursday free-agent pitch to Carmelo Anthony, Bulls management had to fly all the way to Tinseltown to woo Pau Gasol, a backup plan to Anthony that is looking like a more realistic option.

Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Multiple media outlets reported both the Knicks and Lakers offered Anthony a maximum contract that surpasses the Bulls' financial means unless the team is gutted. Such an approach is typically against Bulls management's philosophy....

But don't fret Bulls fans we have a surprise move in store!

The Bulls also have made clear they'd like to re-sign Kirk Hinrich -Trib.

[Blount]

They can have him at 5/130.

[Knicksfan20]

Fugazi Melo is about to be exposed for good. No more fig leaf. I wish I was wrong.

Hey bro thanks for banning me for 4 days for being a racist against white people. When i am white myself.


The thread was about trading for Parsons or something like that. I quoted somebody who quoted somebody else. The first quote was about recieving Parsons and I think Asik.

The response to that was... Why do we need Parsons when we already have MCD and Dunleavy?

I said... Yea plus you have Hinrich and Bairston. Thats way too many whites on one team.


I thought that was a funny joke. I have been posting here for two weeks now and i dont think i have overstepped any boundries or started any issues. If anything i have been pretty positive. Just want to talk basketball because the Knicks board is a bit boring right now. I dont get why i wasnt warned first. Its ridiculous anyways because I am white, and even if i wasnt it is an obvious joke. If a black person made that same joke, i wouldnt be offended by it... i would laugh.

I hated the 90s bulls. I somewhat like the current Bulls. If Melo went there i would hope he do well unless the Knicks are facing him. Melo on the Bulls is a perfect fit with last years team.


I just think you were looking a reason to use your mod power. Maybe its because im a Knicks fan. I have been a member of this site since 2006 and never have any issues with TOS violations. I come here make a joke and get a 3 day ban. Kinda bs if you ask me.

[Knicksfan20]

I understand that coldfish. Thats why we have some leverage here. That is my point. I understand the new rules just fine. What part of any of my posts says otherwise?

[fleet]

Broussard next M&M. Preview: Everybody is going to LA, NY and Miami

[SSSFreak]

Broussard next M&M. Preview: Everybody is going to LA, NY and Miami

I know I am. Where do I sign for the min?

[DASMACKDOWN]

Just thinking about it...if Melo actually does go back to NY with a full max deal, doesnt it effectively put a big dent in Phil's plan to bring in big names to the Knicks in 2015?

I thought the understanding of Phil was for Melo to take less so the team could bring in more talent 2015 and after.

Maybe I am wrong in this.

[fleet]

Fugazi Melo is about to be exposed for good. No more fig leaf. I wish I was wrong.

Hey bro thanks for banning me for 4 days for being a racist against white people. When i am white myself.


The thread was about trading for Parsons or something like that. I quoted somebody who quoted somebody else. The first quote was about recieving Parsons and I think Asik.

The response to that was... Why do we need Parsons when we already have MCD and Dunleavy?

I said... Yea plus you have Hinrich and Bairston. Thats way too many whites on one team.


I thought that was a funny joke. I have been posting here for two weeks now and i dont think i have overstepped any boundries or started any issues. If anything i have been pretty positive. Just want to talk basketball because the Knicks board is a bit boring right now. I dont get why i wasnt warned first. Its ridiculous anyways because I am white, and even if i wasnt it is an obvious joke. If a black person made that same joke, i wouldnt be offended by it... i would laugh.

I hated the 90s bulls. I somewhat like the current Bulls. If Melo went there i would hope he do well unless the Knicks are facing him. Melo on the Bulls is a perfect fit with last years team.


I just think you were looking a reason to use your mod power. Maybe its because im a Knicks fan. I have been a member of this site since 2006 and never have any issues with TOS violations. I come here make a joke and get a 3 day ban. Kinda bs if you ask me.

Oh well let me clear that up for you. Nobody asked you.

Quit whining and derailing this thread. You're lucky I didn't go into the gif bag.