Optimism for Embiid's Health

76ciology · Post #141 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:54 am

Yup, agree with Sixerscan. And I'd like to correct myself.

Embiid's health isn't a sure thing. Like in life, nothings ever definite. Who knows? Maybe he won't return back to normal or he won't recover fully from his surgery. Hey, that stuff can happen.

But based on educated guess, Embiid is most likely not red flagged in terms of health. Based on educated guess, the teams most likely passed up embiid because he needs to sit for a year and it's the least thing the Bucks and Cavs need.

These consistent statements from credible sources and teams aren't facts. Sorry to label them as facts.

Still, I think the news are pretty optimistic. Rather than speculating that Embiid was red flagged that's why he was passed up by the top two teams, he has low bone density or bad bone structure system. Not saying, they aren't possibilities but educated guess says the chances are low.

I suggest that we be open for any possibilities. But right now, this very moment, I think based on educated guess we should be optimistic about his health.

Like what Hinkie said.. If embiid can stay healthy which he has a very very good chance, he'll have a fantastic career.

Mr Sixer · Post #142 » by **Mr Sixer** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 12:56 pm

76ciology wrote:Yup, agree with Sixerscan. And I'd like to correct myself.

Embiid's health isn't a sure thing. Like in life, nothings ever definite. Who knows? Maybe he won't return back to normal or he won't recover fully from his surgery. Hey, that stuff can happen.

But based on educated guess, Embiid is most likely not red flagged in terms of health. Based on educated guess, the teams most likely passed up embiid because he needs to sit for a year and it's the least thing the Bucks and Cavs need.

These consistent statements from credible sources and teams aren't facts. Sorry to label them as facts.

Still, I think the news are pretty optimistic. Rather than speculating that Embiid was red flagged that's why he was passed up by the top two teams, he has low bone density or bad bone structure system. Not saying, they aren't possibilities but educated guess says the chances are low.

I suggest that we be open for any possibilities. But right now, this very moment, I think based on educated guess we should be optimistic about his health.

Like what Hinkie said.. If embiid can stay healthy which he has a very very good chance, he'll have a fantastic career.

Dude, I'm totally on board with the Embiid pick and with the articles and rumors that I read I am very hopeful that his medical records were not too problematic at all and he is going to come back healthy and dominate the league. But that being said, I think it's a little naïve to say he didn't get red flagged because of the injuries. The Cavs were saying for so long about how he was first on their board, and same with the Bucks to a certain degree, and then all of a sudden as soon as the injury he slipped by them. Not saying they thought the medical records were bad, but I think the injury was just the tipping point and they couldn't afford to take on that added risk.

76ciology · Post #143 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:23 pm

Mr Sixer wrote:
76ciology wrote:Yup, agree with Sixerscan. And I'd like to correct myself.

Embiid's health isn't a sure thing. Like in life, nothings ever definite. Who knows? Maybe he won't return back to normal or he won't recover fully from his surgery. Hey, that stuff can happen.

But based on educated guess, Embiid is most likely not red flagged in terms of health. Based on educated guess, the teams most likely passed up embiid because he needs to sit for a year and it's the least thing the Bucks and Cavs need.

These consistent statements from credible sources and teams aren't facts. Sorry to label them as facts.

Still, I think the news are pretty optimistic. Rather than speculating that Embiid was red flagged that's why he was passed up by the top two teams, he has low bone density or bad bone structure system. Not saying, they aren't possibilities but educated guess says the chances are low.

I suggest that we be open for any possibilities. But right now, this very moment, I think based on educated guess we should be optimistic about his health.

Like what Hinkie said.. If embiid can stay healthy which he has a very very good chance, he'll have a fantastic career.

Dude, I'm totally on board with the Embiid pick and with the articles and rumors that I read I am very hopeful that his medical records were not too problematic at all and he is going to come back healthy and dominate the league. But that being said, I think it's a little naïve to say he didn't get red flagged because of the injuries. The Cavs were saying for so long about how he was first on their board, and same with the Bucks to a certain degree, and then all of a sudden as soon as the injury he slipped by them. Not saying they thought the medical records were bad, but I think the injury was just the tipping point and they couldn't afford to take on that added risk.

Yup, my bad that I sound so certain about Embiid's health. I understand that there's no certainty until we see Embiid play for a duration of time. I know right know it's all "he says she says" but I think there's some reason to be optimistic because of the consistency of reports that he isn't red flagged for medical reason.

For the Cavs and Bucks, I think there's the reason that both teams look for immediate help. And I think the risk is not worth it, even unlikely, when you have the chance for a sure fire star player with Wiggins and Jabari. Why take the risk even when it's unlikely, when we all know how hard it is to get an allstar caliber player specially for a small market team like them.

eyeatoma · Post #144 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 10:30 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
76ciology wrote:
P2K wrote:
Posters around here pretending that there isn't a risk of being injury-prone is annoying to me, so the feeling is mutual.

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

That's speculation.

Like I said, if you based it on speculation, you'll be scared on selecting Embiid. But if you have the medical records and base your decision on facts like the Celtics,Magic (as per Chris Mannix) Cavs, Bucks, Lakers (as per rumor) and the Sixers, you would just look at it nothing more than a short term injury.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am optimistic about Embiid's injury/career.

That being said, it's not a short term injury. He's going to be out for a year.

And you're mixing up something that is not career threatening NOW but has a not insubstantial possibility of becoming career threatening if something goes wrong in rehab. Or even something between that where he can play through it but be physically limited. It's not as smooth a process as you seem to want to make it seem.

These "facts" you keep bringing up aren't "facts," they're hearsay by GMs that do nothing but lie this time of year. And yeah, you can logic your way into thinking why they would or would not lie, but that seems like a gigantic waste of time. Even something a doctor says about Embiid's recover isn't a "fact"; it's a prognosis, an educated guess. We're never going to know exactly why the Cavs passed on Embiid, nor will we know what the Magic or Lakers would have done if he was on the board. The only "fact" we have is that he has a broken foot.

I've tried to not nitpick too much in this thread because it's a "positivity" thread, and I am optimistic about Embiid's injury, but I swear within 2 weeks you will have convinced yourself that Embiid's foot isn't really broken.

While what you say about Embiid being out for a year is plausible given the history of the team, I don't think you can just say that like it's mere fact. You yourself are saying that it's not a fact that Embiid will recover, and that it's a prognosis, i.e. best case scenario, he heals up.

Just like that though, I don't think you can just presume he's out for a year, when doctor report say 4-6 months, and then Hinkie said 5-8 months. Hinkie has balls, if he really wanted Embiid out a year, he would say, a year... He's not one to mince words....

Post #145 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 11:51 pm

You are right. But 5 months is still a long term injury.

You are wrong about the mincing words thing. He always minces words with injuries. If he's ever actually said, "this guy is going to be out x days" I'd be shocked.

83SixersRocked · Post #146 » by **83SixersRocked** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:34 pm

For some perspective, though I'm a good bit older - In early April I had foot surgery. Broke a bone and tore a tendon (100%) just under the area where Embiid's injury is, and the same foot. Up until a couple of weeks ago it was in either a cast or boot. I can't tell you how bad the cast sucked, and surprisingly, the hardest part was mental. IIt still swells almost every day from mid-afternoon on, and It doesn't always react well to PT. It's on ice right now and I haven't driven a car in months, I probably could, but if I had to hit the brakes hard I odn't think it would end well. Maybe in a week or so. On the brighter side It's better every day, to the point that I forget about it some mornings. 5-8 months sounds very reasonable to me when you consider the stress of a court sport.

76erfanHI · Post #147 » by **76erfanHI** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:07 am

I read somewhere that Nerlens has been ready for months but I guess Hinkie decided to let him train more. I really HOPE that Embiid works out for the team and no long term injuries will linger.

SJSF · Post #148 » by **SJSF** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:46 am

Nerlens sat out the year, so why is this such a big deal.

eyeatoma · Post #149 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:05 am

SJSF wrote:Nerlens sat out the year, so why is this such a big deal.

Because the injury is not as serious...And he can injure himself at any time, even if he sits out the year... If we want a high pick next year, it's all big men...Don't you want to see if Embiid is healthy so that you have a better idea if you want to pick a big man or not?

76ciology · Post #150 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:34 am

eyeatoma wrote:
SJSF wrote:Nerlens sat out the year, so why is this such a big deal.

Because the injury is not as serious...And he can injure himself at any time, even if he sits out the year... If we want a high pick next year, it's all big men...Don't you want to see if Embiid is healthy so that you have a better idea if you want to pick a big man or not...

Really depends on how long he needs to recover, correct his nutrition and strengthen his body. I don't think it's that important to evaluate his performace for he's still a bit raw and would just recovered from his injury. And if we get the top pick next year, I'd still select Jahlil and worry about fit later. Then maybe put one of them on the block down the road to get a similarly talented perimeter guy.

76ciology · Post #151 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:38 am

With regards to Embiid's injury. It's long term, because it will take 5-8 months to heal. But because it's not chronic or degenerative and as per Biid's doctor, we most likely (almost sure) won't see the injury be an issue in the future.

SJSF · Post #152 » by **SJSF** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:30 pm

This injury isn't as serious as some may think.

OleSchool · Post #153 » by **OleSchool** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 1:34 pm

IMO Emb11d's foot injury was overcompensation from his back. He went so hard showing teams that the back wasn't an issue he hurt his foot.

I may be one of the biggest Emb11d supporters on here, I was hoping the Sixers would draft him from the 3rd week of the college season (please don't ask me to find my posts :lol:

) but even I am a little leery about further injuries. My line of thinking is that with proper diet and a proper exercise routine, to strengthen his core he will be fine moving forward.

I do not disagree with drafting him because if I was the GM i would've done the same thing, with the potential the Emb11d has you have to take that risk.

76ciology · Post #154 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 1:45 pm

SJSF wrote:This injury isn't as serious as some may think.

Yup, I share the same sentiment.

I think what scares people is the speculation about the possibility that he has systematic issues. But then the whole point of the thread is to say educated guess says he doesn't have any systematical issues for teams who have his medical info/record didn't red flagged his health.

freshie2 · Post #155 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:01 pm

SJSF wrote:This injury isn't as serious as some may think.

The back?? Correct...this was relatively benign and I would have no angst if that were the only injury.

The navicular bone??? Yes...it's potentially as serious as most think. It could significantly minimize his ability to play, or it could end his career...in 'like' comparisons, those are common outcomes.

I am cautiously optimistic the surgery will take, and he'll have a Duncan-esque career, but one cannot minimize the severity of the injury based on how your tea leaves aligned or what tarot cards you drew. There is limited science to base your outlook upon, but what is available points to caution.

That being said, enjoy the Twitter posts, say your prayers, bless his dairy products and vitamin D supplements, and hope this franchise has nailed it so we enjoy another era like Doc's.

Blush_Face · Post #156 » by **Blush_Face** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:38 pm

Why would the Sixers draft Embiid ??? Especially the year after they drafted Noel. Neither player will ever contribute or possibly even play in an NBA game. I mean wow

James40 · Post #157 » by **James40** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:42 pm

freshie2 wrote:
SJSF wrote:This injury isn't as serious as some may think.

The back?? Correct...this was relatively benign and I would have no angst if that were the only injury.

The navicular bone??? Yes...it's potentially as serious as most think. It could significantly minimize his ability to play, or it could end his career...in 'like' comparisons, those are common outcomes.

I am cautiously optimistic the surgery will take, and he'll have a Duncan-esque career, but one cannot minimize the severity of the injury based on how your tea leaves aligned or what tarot cards you drew. There is limited science to base your outlook upon, but what is available points to caution.

That being said, enjoy the Twitter posts, say your prayers, bless his dairy products and vitamin D supplements, and hope this franchise has nailed it so we enjoy another era like Doc's.

Anyone see Kevin Mchale walk? He limps because of this injury.. All the way back in 1987 he broke his foot and he played through the injury for the playoffs, in that summer he had one screw and a bone graft inserted in his Navicular bone. Mchale is really the best case scenario because he only missed one month of the following season, but yeah he still limps.

Its a bad spot in the foot to have a fracture, every time you run or jump that bone gets compressed so it is a serious injury and Embiid will be lucky to see the court by March if not later.

freshie2 · Post #158 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:42 pm

Blush_Face wrote:Why would the Sixers draft Embiid ??? Especially the year after they drafted Noel. Neither player will ever contribute or possibly even play in an NBA game. I mean wow

You have limited chances to obtain greatness...no problem with them rolling the dice. Hopefully more Duncan/Robinson than Curry/Chandler, but we'll see...

OleSchool · Post #159 » by **OleSchool** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:49 pm

Blush_Face wrote:Why would the Sixers draft Embiid ??? Especially the year after they drafted Noel. Neither player will ever contribute or possibly even play in an NBA game. I mean wow

Can I have the winning lottery numbers for tonight? I mean you must have a crystal ball to predict :nod:

Blush_Face · Post #160 » by **Blush_Face** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 2:55 pm

how's noel been looking so far this offseason? is he on schedule to play this season? I mean chandler's been in the league for 10+ seasons and won a championship with Dallas...Embiid will never play in an NBA game. what's up with Noel? it's not rolling the dice for greatness it's common sense not to draft a big guy with multiple health issues the year after you draft a big guy with health issues especially when you tank the season to get a high pick. so many nice players in this class sixers could've gotten who will actually play. amazing