Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, $18M

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Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, $18M 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:19 pm

Patrick Patterson has agreed to a three-year, $18 million contract with the Toronto Raptors.


Patterson had an integral reserve role for the Raptors following his trade from the Sacramento Kings.

Via Jeff Goodman/ESPN

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Post#2 » by coolanjello » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:48 pm

Good re-signing. Best scenario for PP and the Raps
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Post#3 » by RaptorRed » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:49 pm

Great move. If they didn't re-sign him the Raps would have had alot of struggles. He is a key piece of the team with his great shooting. He is also clutch , overall great role player.
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Re: Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, 

Post#4 » by Raptor_Guy » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:58 pm

RaptorRed wrote:Great move. If they didn't re-sign him the Raps would have had alot of struggles. He is a key piece of the team with his great shooting. He is also clutch , overall great role player.


He wasn't very clutch in game 3 when he missed 2 free throws that would've tied the game ;)
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Re: Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, 

Post#5 » by Rated T By CBRA » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:00 pm

$6 mill a year is slightly over is reasonable but good for both parties, he was crucial off the bench. Not a flashy guy, but gets the basics done really well.

Now that all the old guys are back -Salmons, who are the Raps going to bring in? Lets see Fields+Hayes shipped somewhere and/or replaced by someone more useful/contract friendly.
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Re: Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, 

Post#6 » by AWillFan20 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:10 pm

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RaptorRed wrote:Great move. If they didn't re-sign him the Raps would have had alot of struggles. He is a key piece of the team with his great shooting. He is also clutch , overall great role player.


He wasn't very clutch in game 3 when he missed 2 free throws that would've tied the game ;)


Did you watch said game? Because without him they would have been down 8-10 points at that point of the game....

Yea he missed 2 free throws, but he's not an elite free throw shooter either.
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Re: Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, 

Post#7 » by jlokine » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:16 pm

awesome! $6M for PP better than $17M+ for Bosh.. haha. sign vasquez now!
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Post#8 » by onetwothree » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:17 pm

For people saying this is an overpayment, Let's compare Patterson vs. Amir

Amir Johnson contract = July 1, 2010 for 34 Million 5 Years... Yearly Average = 6.8 Million
Patrick Patterson contract = July 4, 2014 18 Million 3 Years... Yearly AVerage = 6 Million

Amir Johnson Production in 2009 - 2010 Season: 17.7 Min, 6.2 Pts, 4.8 Rebs, 0.6 Ast
2 Pat Production in 2013 - 2014 Season : 23.3 Min, 9.1 Pts, 5.3 Rebs, 1.3 Ast

PER 36 MIN:
Amir Johnson Production in 2009 - 2010 Season : 12.7 Pts, 9.7 Rebs, 1.2 Ast
2 Pat Production in 2013 - 2014 Season : 14.1 Pts, 7.8 Rebs, 2.0 Ast

BC gave a higher contract to Amir ( a less integral player in that team playing 5 less minutes ). So there was much more unknown variables in that Amir Contract than there is with Patterson.

Patterson and Amir were at a very similar position back then. Very similar players in terms of quality. Patterson is more offensive (and he has even more potential with his offensive game) while Amir is a better rebounder and more of a hustler.

Defensively I can't give the edge to any of them. They are both superb players.

Overal Amir 2009 - 2010 vs. 2Pt 2013 - 2014 I have to give the edge to 2Pat because he was slightly better statistically and he has more potential. This guy has the potential to be a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA. HIs offensive game is amazing.

Contract wise: Patterson is the slightly better player than Amir, There are less unknowns with Patterson (he played more minutes and had a more integral role in the team). The 2nd point I made is crucial because if MU waited any longer we could have seen someone grossly overpay him because of that. He could have easily gone to 8 - 9 Million with the way these boneheaded GM's are overpaying nowadays.

ALSO, we must consider inflation. The cap 2009 - 2010 vs. the Cap 2013 - 2014. If we consider that, Patterson's contract would probably be worth around 5 - 5.5 Million if we Time Valued it to the 2009 - 2010 season.

Last thing to consider, is that Amir contract was rightfully highly criticized as it was a major overpayment back then. Plus Amir got 5 years, 2Pat got 3 years.

There should be no complaints over this contract. If we look at all these variables, Patterson got a very fair deal at the lower range of his potential salary ranges. He was restricted FA and the less unknown variables could have caused teams to give him a much larger (8 - 9 mill contract easily). He has the potential to be a crazy good offensive player. I just wish we could have locked him up for 5 years.
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Post#9 » by onetwothree » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:33 pm

Also, for all of you saying that Hayes and Fields will be shipped off for more "cap-friendly contracts." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Why would Toronto ship off expiring contracts for draft picks or "ok players" with longer contracts?

Toronto is in the BEST position to sign a big name free agent during next free agency. Masai Ujiri is an architect!

Players in Contract in 2 Seasons:
Kyle Lowry = 12M
Demar Derozan = 9M
Pat = 6M
Vasques = 5M (reasonable assumption)
Valanciunas = 4.5M
Ross = 3.5 M

TOTAL = 40M for 6 SOLID PLAYERS

This is the BEST case scenario for free agents. Why haven't the Big 3 gotten back together because Miami only has Norris Cole in contract. They don't have a team! They want to manufacture a team in free agency. It doesn't work like that because there is TOO much risk for guys like Lebron!

This is why the Lakers are probably not going to get Carmello or Lebron, they don't have a team!

Raptors during next free agency period will have a SOLID team with potentially 2 allstars in Demar and Kyle AND they will only have 40M used up! This is the best case scenario for any free agent. Because if you install 1 big name free agent in here (hint hint KD), you got a championship contender / favourite!

Assuming we sign a Max Player on that team (just as an example, lets say KD). Look at what the 7 player team for 60 Million consists of:

1 Max Player: KD
2 Potential Allstars (or more): Kyle and Demar
2 Solid contributors: Vasquez and Patterson
Ross and Valanciunas (best case scenario = potential allstar, worst case scenario = solid contributor)

Since during crucial playoff game minute allocation forces an "8 player lineup*, this is what the raptors 8 player lineup would look like:

PG: Kyle Lowry / Vasquez
SG: Demar Derozan / Ross
SF: Kevin Durant / Ross
PF: Patterson / M.L.E Signing
C: Valanciunas / M.L.E Signing

Then sign 4 players to veteran minimums to complete the signing. The raptors might be lucky to get 1 or 2 players who are at the end of their careers and who are chasing a championship who could demand much more money but will sign for the veteran minimum for a championship contender (ex: Ray Allen for the Heat)

When Masai got this team, he got a salary clog-up disaster. With a couple trades here and there he transformed this team into a GEM! With Masai Ujiri at the helm, the Raptors will be championship contenders in exactly 2 seasons!
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Post#10 » by PierreBerton » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:43 pm

Raptor_Guy wrote:
RaptorRed wrote:Great move. If they didn't re-sign him the Raps would have had alot of struggles. He is a key piece of the team with his great shooting. He is also clutch , overall great role player.


He wasn't very clutch in game 3 when he missed 2 free throws that would've tied the game ;)


I hear this from non-NBA fans all the time: "I don't watch basketball because the games are boring. All that really matters is the last ten seconds." As real basketball fans, we all know this simply isn't true. How you play all game matters! When you put all the emphasis on two missed free throws at the end of the game, you're reinforcing that stereotype. Everything 2Pat did before that didn't matter. Those last few seconds are all that mattered. I see your winky face, so I get that you're saying it tongue-in-cheek, but c'mon, guy. Show some respect for the sport.
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Post#11 » by Raptor_Guy » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:55 pm

My god some people take things way too seriously, Patterson was my second favourite Raptor this year
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Post#12 » by 2thehoopand1 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:04 pm

If the raps can some how get fields off the books they win free agency.
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Post#13 » by jlokine » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:22 pm

onetwothree wrote:Also, for all of you saying that Hayes and Fields will be shipped off for more "cap-friendly contracts." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Why would Toronto ship off expiring contracts for draft picks or "ok players" with longer contracts?

Toronto is in the BEST position to sign a big name free agent during next free agency. Masai Ujiri is an architect!

Players in Contract in 2 Seasons:
Kyle Lowry = 12M
Demar Derozan = 9M
Pat = 6M
Vasques = 5M (reasonable assumption)
Valanciunas = 4.5M
Ross = 3.5 M

TOTAL = 40M for 6 SOLID PLAYERS

This is the BEST case scenario for free agents. Why haven't the Big 3 gotten back together because Miami only has Norris Cole in contract. They don't have a team! They want to manufacture a team in free agency. It doesn't work like that because there is TOO much risk for guys like Lebron!

This is why the Lakers are probably not going to get Carmello or Lebron, they don't have a team!

Raptors during next free agency period will have a SOLID team with potentially 2 allstars in Demar and Kyle AND they will only have 40M used up! This is the best case scenario for any free agent. Because if you install 1 big name free agent in here (hint hint KD), you got a championship contender / favourite!

Assuming we sign a Max Player on that team (just as an example, lets say KD). Look at what the 7 player team for 60 Million consists of:

1 Max Player: KD
2 Potential Allstars (or more): Kyle and Demar
2 Solid contributors: Vasquez and Patterson
Ross and Valanciunas (best case scenario = potential allstar, worst case scenario = solid contributor)

Since during crucial playoff game minute allocation forces an "8 player lineup*, this is what the raptors 8 player lineup would look like:

PG: Kyle Lowry / Vasquez
SG: Demar Derozan / Ross
SF: Kevin Durant / Ross
PF: Patterson / M.L.E Signing
C: Valanciunas / M.L.E Signing

Then sign 4 players to veteran minimums to complete the signing. The raptors might be lucky to get 1 or 2 players who are at the end of their careers and who are chasing a championship who could demand much more money but will sign for the veteran minimum for a championship contender (ex: Ray Allen for the Heat)

When Masai got this team, he got a salary clog-up disaster. With a couple trades here and there he transformed this team into a GEM! With Masai Ujiri at the helm, the Raptors will be championship contenders in exactly 2 seasons!


you forgot to mention Bruno haha what if he IS in fact Brazilian KD.. then KD no longer necessary.. this kid's development and JV's development will be key to how far the raptors can go and how successful they can be. if JV becomes and double double guy and bruno becomes starting SF/PF, that would be ideal!
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Post#14 » by onetwothree » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:38 pm

jlokine wrote: you forgot to mention Bruno haha what if he IS in fact Brazilian KD.. then KD no longer necessary.. this kid's development and JV's development will be key to how far the raptors can go and how successful they can be. if JV becomes and double double guy and bruno becomes starting SF/PF, that would be ideal!


Too much uncertainty with Nogueira and Bruno so I did not mention. But that is very true. By next free agency Nogueira and Bruno will be making 1.4 million each. Total < 3 million.

We cannot expect them to become starting SF/PF (or in the case of Nogueira, a starting C)... That is too early. If both of those guys can at least contribute in some way, they will be solid for our depth. It just makes us a more favourable market for free agents. They will occupy 2 roster spots so we don't have to get 2 people with veteran's minimum, we can just have both of these up and coming guys.

Again, there is too much risk and uncertainty to make any reasonable assumptions with them in the picture. The worst case scenario can be that they are simply not good enough to be in the NBA. The best case scenario, I dont think anyone knows yet. But by next free agency, as long as these guys can hold their own for a roster spot, its good enough. If they provide more, its an added bonus!

I also did not include Nando de Colo on that list because of uncertainty.
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Post#15 » by TheSamMitchell » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:39 pm

Raptor_Guy wrote:
RaptorRed wrote:Great move. If they didn't re-sign him the Raps would have had alot of struggles. He is a key piece of the team with his great shooting. He is also clutch , overall great role player.


He wasn't very clutch in game 3 when he missed 2 free throws that would've tied the game ;)


That a low blow lol. He single-handedly brought the Raps back that game, but just missed the big free throws. Also, 2Pat is a solid player who can make shots when you need it.
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Post#16 » by Swauny Jones » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:57 pm

onetwothree wrote:
jlokine wrote: you forgot to mention Bruno haha what if he IS in fact Brazilian KD.. then KD no longer necessary.. this kid's development and JV's development will be key to how far the raptors can go and how successful they can be. if JV becomes and double double guy and bruno becomes starting SF/PF, that would be ideal!


Too much uncertainty with Nogueira and Bruno so I did not mention. But that is very true. By next free agency Nogueira and Bruno will be making 1.4 million each. Total < 3 million.

We cannot expect them to become starting SF/PF (or in the case of Nogueira, a starting C)... That is too early. If both of those guys can at least contribute in some way, they will be solid for our depth. It just makes us a more favourable market for free agents. They will occupy 2 roster spots so we don't have to get 2 people with veteran's minimum, we can just have both of these up and coming guys.

Again, there is too much risk and uncertainty to make any reasonable assumptions with them in the picture. The worst case scenario can be that they are simply not good enough to be in the NBA. The best case scenario, I dont think anyone knows yet. But by next free agency, as long as these guys can hold their own for a roster spot, its good enough. If they provide more, its an added bonus!

I also did not include Nando de Colo on that list because of uncertainty.


I think Bruno has a bright future in the league. I was watching him work out at the team facility and the kid is really athletic and has a really solid outside shot. He just needs to get stronger and improve his handle slightly. Nogueira on the other hand is a big question mark for me. He'll probably be a throw in big in the future but I expect nothing great from this kid at all.
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Post#17 » by kenwood3333 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 10:27 pm

good deal for a solid player
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Re: Patrick Patterson Re-Signs With Raptors For Three-Years, 

Post#18 » by Ceejeezy » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:14 pm

onetwothree wrote:Also, for all of you saying that Hayes and Fields will be shipped off for more "cap-friendly contracts." NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Why would Toronto ship off expiring contracts for draft picks or "ok players" with longer contracts?

Toronto is in the BEST position to sign a big name free agent during next free agency. Masai Ujiri is an architect!

Players in Contract in 2 Seasons:
Kyle Lowry = 12M
Demar Derozan = 9M
Pat = 6M
Vasques = 5M (reasonable assumption)
Valanciunas = 4.5M
Ross = 3.5 M

TOTAL = 40M for 6 SOLID PLAYERS

This is the BEST case scenario for free agents. Why haven't the Big 3 gotten back together because Miami only has Norris Cole in contract. They don't have a team! They want to manufacture a team in free agency. It doesn't work like that because there is TOO much risk for guys like Lebron!

This is why the Lakers are probably not going to get Carmello or Lebron, they don't have a team!

Raptors during next free agency period will have a SOLID team with potentially 2 allstars in Demar and Kyle AND they will only have 40M used up! This is the best case scenario for any free agent. Because if you install 1 big name free agent in here (hint hint KD), you got a championship contender / favourite!

Assuming we sign a Max Player on that team (just as an example, lets say KD). Look at what the 7 player team for 60 Million consists of:

1 Max Player: KD
2 Potential Allstars (or more): Kyle and Demar
2 Solid contributors: Vasquez and Patterson
Ross and Valanciunas (best case scenario = potential allstar, worst case scenario = solid contributor)

Since during crucial playoff game minute allocation forces an "8 player lineup*, this is what the raptors 8 player lineup would look like:

PG: Kyle Lowry / Vasquez
SG: Demar Derozan / Ross
SF: Kevin Durant / Ross
PF: Patterson / M.L.E Signing
C: Valanciunas / M.L.E Signing

Then sign 4 players to veteran minimums to complete the signing. The raptors might be lucky to get 1 or 2 players who are at the end of their careers and who are chasing a championship who could demand much more money but will sign for the veteran minimum for a championship contender (ex: Ray Allen for the Heat)

When Masai got this team, he got a salary clog-up disaster. With a couple trades here and there he transformed this team into a GEM! With Masai Ujiri at the helm, the Raptors will be championship contenders in exactly 2 seasons!


plus we have louis williams for atleast this season another solid player if he can return to the form he was before his injury.

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