Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014)

OrlandoMagic · Post #81 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 12:46 am

Yeah it's on NBATV.... I have it set for recording, our game is at 1pm

tiderulz · Post #82 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:02 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:again if it was reported, it's not happening.

i fully believe this. Did anyone know about Gordon being chosen? the other Gordon being signed? AA to Denver?

If something about us is in the news, i dont believe it. Yes, i know other people are involved, but Henny seems to work behind the scenes. Tells agents and other teams, put our cr@p in the news and I wont deal with you again.

OrlandO · Post #83 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:20 am

tiderulz wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:again if it was reported, it's not happening.

i fully believe this. Did anyone know about Gordon being chosen? the other Gordon being signed? AA to Denver?

If something about us is in the news, i dont believe it. Yes, i know other people are involved, but Henny seems to work behind the scenes. Tells agents and other teams, put our cr@p in the news and I wont deal with you again.

I agree for the most part, but wasn't Redick rumored to go to Milwaukee for a couple weeks before the Harris trade?

magicman123 · Post #84 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:41 am

TNMagicFan wrote:I'm starting to get pissed with all these agents using us

We have a ton of money to spend, it's a negotiating tactic for their clients, we might not have any interest in these players

Blue_and_Whte · Post #85 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:12 am

Fournier isnt a starting pg my man. Im all, for them starting together but dipo would be the full time pg with evan being the secondary ball handler.

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Melvinlocker · Post #86 » by **Melvinlocker** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:37 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Fournier isnt a starting pg my man. Im all, for them starting together but dipo would be the full time pg with evan being the secondary ball handler.

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Exactly what I think will happen. I just have a hunch that they will complement each other so well.

doct3r dr3 · Post #87 » by **doct3r dr3** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:45 am

Melvinlocker wrote:He wasn't a very good one.

The efficiency he had last year was terrible. He is one year younger than Booker and Mike Scott who did what we wish Nicholson would do here. Maybe Vaughn was intentionally keeping Nicholson from playing well but who knows.

This year was a down year offensively for AN, and still, let's look at all of the folks who shot these percentages or better from all the following distances:

<5 ft.........63%....(Josh Smith - 63.2%)
5-9 ft........39%....(Derrick Favors - 38.6%)
20-24 ft.....40%....(James Harden - 40.2%)

(minimum 80 5-9 ft attempts, 60 20-24 ft attempts)

L. James
K. Durant
K. Love
D. Wade
C. Paul
J. Johnson
A. Nicholson

Source: NBA.com/Stats

Melvinlocker wrote:He is pretty bad at guarding post ups or quick face up fours and he isn't really suited for the uptempo game that we want to play. I hope I am wrong about him, but I don't think that I am in this case.

Post-Up Defense (points per play)
0.63 - J. Maxiell
0.72 - K. O'Quinn
0.72 - N. Vucevic
0.76 - A. Nicholson
0.79 - E. Moore
0.86 - J. Nelson
0.87 - G. Davis
0.89 - V. Oladipo
0.91 - M. Harkless
0.95 - A. Afflalo
0.96 - T. Harris
1.00 - D. Dedmon
1.00 - S. Jones
1.20 - D. Lamb
1.29 - R. Price

Post-Up Defense (FG%)
23.80% - J. Maxiell
34.80% - K. O'Quinn
35.00% - E. Moore
35.90% - A. Nicholson
39.10% - N. Vucevic
40.00% - V. Oladipo
43.90% - A. Afflalo
44.00% - J. Nelson
48.50% - M. Harkless
49.50% - G. Davis
50.00% - D. Lamb
53.10% - T. Harris
53.80% - D. Dedmon
66.70% - S. Jones
66.70% - R. Price

Source: Synergy

Opponent FG% at Rim
45.4% - A. Nicholson
46.2% - K. O'Quinn
46.6% - V. Oladipo
49.1% - E. Moore
53.1% - T. Harris
53.6% - G. Davis
56.4% - N. Vucevic
56.8% - J. Maxiell
58.1% - J. Nelson
58.3% - S. Jones
59.0% - D. Dedmon
59.7% - A. Afflalo
60.5% - M. Harkless
63.6% - R. Price
70.4% - D. Lamb
100.0% - A. Thomas

Source: NBA.com/Stats

Melvinlocker · Post #88 » by **Melvinlocker** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:14 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:
Melvinlocker wrote:He wasn't a very good one.

The efficiency he had last year was terrible. He is one year younger than Booker and Mike Scott who did what we wish Nicholson would do here. Maybe Vaughn was intentionally keeping Nicholson from playing well but who knows.

This year was a down year offensively for AN, and still, let's look at all of the folks who shot these percentages or better from all the following distances:

<5 ft.........63%....(Josh Smith - 63.2%)
5-9 ft........39%....(Derrick Favors - 38.6%)
20-24 ft.....40%....(James Harden - 40.2%)

(minimum 80 5-9 ft attempts, 60 20-24 ft attempts)

L. James
K. Durant
K. Love
D. Wade
C. Paul
J. Johnson
A. Nicholson

Source: NBA.com/Stats

Melvinlocker wrote:He is pretty bad at guarding post ups or quick face up fours and he isn't really suited for the uptempo game that we want to play. I hope I am wrong about him, but I don't think that I am in this case.

Post-Up Defense (points per play)
0.63 - J. Maxiell
0.72 - K. O'Quinn
0.72 - N. Vucevic
0.76 - A. Nicholson
0.79 - E. Moore
0.86 - J. Nelson
0.87 - G. Davis
0.89 - V. Oladipo
0.91 - M. Harkless
0.95 - A. Afflalo
0.96 - T. Harris
1.00 - D. Dedmon
1.00 - S. Jones
1.20 - D. Lamb
1.29 - R. Price

Post-Up Defense (FG%)
23.80% - J. Maxiell
34.80% - K. O'Quinn
35.00% - E. Moore
35.90% - A. Nicholson
39.10% - N. Vucevic
40.00% - V. Oladipo
43.90% - A. Afflalo
44.00% - J. Nelson
48.50% - M. Harkless
49.50% - G. Davis
50.00% - D. Lamb
53.10% - T. Harris
53.80% - D. Dedmon
66.70% - S. Jones
66.70% - R. Price

Source: Synergy

Opponent FG% at Rim
45.4% - A. Nicholson
46.2% - K. O'Quinn
46.6% - V. Oladipo
49.1% - E. Moore
53.1% - T. Harris
53.6% - G. Davis
56.4% - N. Vucevic
56.8% - J. Maxiell
58.1% - J. Nelson
58.3% - S. Jones
59.0% - D. Dedmon
59.7% - A. Afflalo
60.5% - M. Harkless
63.6% - R. Price
70.4% - D. Lamb
100.0% - A. Thomas

Source: NBA.com/Stats

Thanks for the stats! I certainly won't try to refute what the numbers are saying here. It looks like Nicholson has been a great defender playing against the second and third unit big men.

The question would be, how will he perform against 1st string big men. I don't think Maxiell would continue to guard 1st string big men and only allow 23% on post ups and by the same token I wouldn't expect Nicholson to have the same level of success as our starting PF. I wish we could compare these stats against starters vs. bench players.

As far as his shooting the same principle applies, but i really wouldn't be as worried because he has proven his shooting and post ups against starters in his first year here as both a starter and 2nd string player. Also seeing his skill set, it is hard to see him being effective offensively, especially since we wouldn't need him to be a high usage player.

Anyways, your stats talked me off the ledge about Nicholsons potential, but I am not sold on him as a starter.

DMack78 · Post #89 » by **DMack78** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:27 pm

OrlandoMagic wrote:Yeah it's on NBATV.... I have it set for recording, our game is at 1pm

I've never watched a SL game before are they full 48 min games? They are just played in a normal gym at RVD right?

orlandojnf · Post #90 » by **orlandojnf** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:28 pm

DMack78 wrote:
OrlandoMagic wrote:Yeah it's on NBATV.... I have it set for recording, our game is at 1pm

I've never watched a SL game before are they full 48 min games? They are just played in a normal gym at RVD right?

at our practice courts at amway center.
we dont use rdv much i dont think anymore. only for ticket sales offices / misc front office stuff.

Big A All Day · Post #91 » by **Big A All Day** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:17 pm

Gordon with 2 air balls n a dunk so far. He's on the line after the commercial break.

Big A All Day · Post #92 » by **Big A All Day** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:20 pm

A henny sighting.

Post #93 » by **Howard Mass** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:24 pm

Aaron Gordon moves pretty well and do like his body/athleticism but you can also see how raw he is.

He is a bit of a project but if his body continues to grow as some have speculated and improves his shot, he could be a nice player.

Big expectations for Elfrid Payton too. The Magic gave up a likely future mid-first round pick and their 2nd next year while passing on Dante Exum and Marcus Smart for him.

The Magic wanted the big and the point guard and felt this was their best play over Exum/smart and julius Randle as a big.

Both have those high expectations and this week, a lot of us will get some impressions of both.

Mannchild · Post #94 » by **Mannchild** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:30 pm

Rumors is that the Cavs are shopping Jack and willing to package him with a pick for cap space. I would love this move. Jack seems like a great character guy and would be a great back up point guard and shooting guard.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #95 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:02 pm

With what I have saw so far in 2 quarters of play this is my analysis

- Dipo will start as our PG
- Payton is no where near starting level and will be a backup
- Gordon looks a bit lost and certainly is not going to start at PF for us
- Gordon might have to play more SF position than PF
- Curry will make the team
- Dedmon will make the team

Projected Lineup

Dipo/Payton/Curry
Fournier/Green/BG
Harris/Harkless/Gordon
OQuinn/Gordon/Nicholson
Vuc/OQuinn/Dedmon

Bottom 5 team in the east.

I think we might be regretting passing up on Exum unfortunately.

Post #96 » by **SOUL** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:04 pm

Projecting anything from a half of a game of summer league is probably the worst thing you can do.

Bigmagicfan82 · Post #97 » by **Bigmagicfan82** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:05 pm

Everybody relax it is only 1/2 of the first summer league game. It is way to early to make any kind of assessments.

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Magic_Johnny12 · Post #98 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:05 pm

Just conversation lol

warren4prez · Post #99 » by **warren4prez** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:27 pm

Marble looks pretty good.

gratia333 · Post #100 » by **gratia333** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:12 pm

MCW look horrible early on for Philly last year in SL. Don't make any crazy speculations.