Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

[johnnyvann840]

Wow. A lot of overreacting here. Since when is Melo worth getting your panties in a bunch? It's not like he comes with a NBA championship strapped to his back.....

Before he was an option most here probably viewed him as a one-dimensional, egocentric d-bag (I know I did/do). Now he's the second coming who makes or breaks this franchises future?

Gimme a break.


If he comes....great. If he doesn't.....that's fine too..

and a million

[NecessaryEvil]

Wow. A lot of overreacting here. Since when is Melo worth getting your panties in a bunch? It's not like he comes with a NBA championship strapped to his back.....

Before he was an option most here probably viewed him as a one-dimensional, egocentric d-bag (I know I did/do). Now he's the second coming who makes or breaks this franchises future?

Gimme a break.


If he comes....great. If he doesn't.....that's fine too.

This guy gets it...

Zartan with the greatest post in melo threads history!

[HyMay]

Contracts can be shed. Teams do it all the time.

Just saying they have no foundation.. not youth.. no real assets, no real talent, not sure if they even have all their own picks coming.. It just looks bad to me.

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

I thought a rebuild would be accepted there. I understand how big of a market New York is. But the Knicks have not won any championships in my lifetime (32 years). Obviously other teams in the city have (which probably is where the pressure comes from). But the Knicks are no Giant or Yankee franchise. Accepting who you are helps. The Cubs are kind of in the same boat as much as I would like to think we are big time and deserve all the big time players the reality is often a tough pill. The cubs blew it up and started from zero and should be better off in the future. But in basketball a rebuild doesn't take as long.

[TheSuzerain]

Wow. A lot of overreacting here. Since when is Melo worth getting your panties in a bunch? It's not like he comes with a NBA championship strapped to his back.....

Before he was an option most here probably viewed him as a one-dimensional, egocentric d-bag (I know I did/do). Now he's the second coming who makes or breaks this franchises future?

Gimme a break.


If he comes....great. If he doesn't.....that's fine too.

This guy gets it...

Zartan with the greatest post in melo threads history!

lol yeah right.

Have you guys seen Plan B? It's a dumpster fire.

[organix85]

OMG.. Just look at the Knicks roster if Melo goes back there. And look what the max for him does to their situation. What a big steaming pile of crap that team will be for the next five years.



How could Phil really want to bring him back for max money? I just don't get it.

I thought they would still have max-cat money to offer next summer. That has to be the plan. And its not a terrible one.

Yea, but the max-cat would have to give up that 5th year (just like Melo is now) to team up with a 31 year old Melo and not much else...

[MoneyMitch]

Well...there is this guy named Rose...

That should not be Rose's role though

The Heat neutralized him when it mattered most adding Melo will make Rose better

Teams aren't gameplanning for Niko and Dougie

But figuring out how to stop Rose/Melo is pick your poison at its finest

I am not a Melo fan. However, I was hoping he would come (while feeling like he wouldn't) because even though he is a highly flawed player he does uniquely fill a need the bulls have, granted at an inflated price.

With that said, and agreeing Melo would make he bulls thought to beat, if Rose comes back at an all star level (if he doesn't the bulls are #%^*^%# anyway) the Bulls are contenders, particularly wihtt he addition of two shooters like M&M. They were contenders with a healthy Rose before, and have an improved supporting cast around him now. Miami is likely significantly weaker. It is wide open.

There's nothing Melo can't do on the court he's got a complete skillset he just hasn't been utilized that way

That's why I want Melo to play for Thibs because I think Thibs brings out everything in him and helps him reach his full potential

[Proven_Winner]

I will say one thing about the whole all he does is score thing(which isn't even true)

The team with the most rebounds usually wins
The team with the most assist usually wins
The team with the most stops usually wins
But the team with most points ALWAYS wins

The game will forever be about buckets

[Stratmaster]

Just saying they have no foundation.. not youth.. no real assets, no real talent, not sure if they even have all their own picks coming.. It just looks bad to me.

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Do they really have a choice? They won 35 games last year WITH MELO, and Amare, and JR, and Chandler, and ,Shump, Tim Hardaway Jr., etc. (Jesus, that reads like a who's who of RealGM Bulls board coveted players over the last several years.- think of all the hundreds of pages we've about how the Bulls should get these guys).....

Great post pointing out the irony there. However, they have a choice. If the Knicks keep Melo they will IMO be a playoff team this season. With Melo under contract they will be able to recruit quality players. Playoffs this season. Who knows the following season.

[Future Coach]

Contracts can be shed. Teams do it all the time.

Just saying they have no foundation.. not youth.. no real assets, no real talent, not sure if they even have all their own picks coming.. It just looks bad to me.

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

[lebrontochicago]

As bummed out as I am about not getting Melo I am excited by the prospect of adding Niko. ROse, Noah, Taj, Butler, Niko makes a nice core. If we can add another guy who can create who have a solid shot at knocking off a declining MIA>

WHAT?!!!

What is wrong with you bro?

NOTHING has been announced.

Teal leaves bro. Tea. Leaves.

I get it. But we are dealing with NY here. Think those writers want to write articles about Jose Calderon all year? We have to sort through the BS. If I learned ANYTHING from 2010, it is 99% of whats out there(good or bad is CRAP) I only trust Usa Today, Woj and SAS. I may be missing a few, but those 3 stand out.

[CoolKids]

It means the Knicks suck. I'm glad you agree.

No I'm serious though, I dont understand this line of thinking which many other people have. What has Melo done to show he is more about the money then any other star player?

Are you serious? How long have you been following Melo and the NBA? Has it been longer than a few years? Because if it has been longer, surely you remember when Melo wanted out of Denver and wanted to be in NY. All he had to do was to wait a few months and sign with NY as a UFA. They had the capspace. Instead, he forced them to gut their roster in a S&T so that they could have his Bird rights and pay him the max, for the max number of years, as he wanted. If he'd been about winning his path was clear. Instead he chose money and screwed his desired team (and its fans).

Now it's your turn. Make me a list of the superstars that have done something similar. If it turns out to include more than half the league's stars, you win. Otherwise, Melo is more about the money than other star players.

yes if he wasnt selfish he would have left Denver high and dry like Lebron did to Cleveland. That Cavs roster was quite spectacular? They almost set the record for consecutive lost games in a season!!

[RememberLu]

Just saying they have no foundation.. not youth.. no real assets, no real talent, not sure if they even have all their own picks coming.. It just looks bad to me.

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

exactly. Just give us Melo, take our picks and our assets and be happy with it. We'll use Melo the right way and beat the Heat for the good of all of us, all of mankind.

[ChicagoStrong]

According to two people with knowledge of the situation, the Knicks are confident about their standing in the sweepstakes and consider the Bulls the only real threat among the many suitors. A decision is expected from Anthony by Monday, though the ever-present fluidity of free agency means there is no definitive timeline.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/07/04/carmelo-anthony-suitors-free-agency-contract-knicks-bulls/12227717/

[Betta Bulleavit]

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Why are they so against tanking? They've basically been doing an accidental tank the past 4 years. Would it really make a difference to suck for one year in the hopes of not sucking for the next 10?

I would think Knicks fans are used to watching their team be losers by now. It's like Cubs fans, everyone knows you didn't have to sell Cubs fans too hard on the tanking plan.

Every fan, player and front office should be against tanking.

It seems like the word TANK just has such a negative stigma to it. How about we just start referring to tanking as long-term organizational positioning period. Or...LOPPing for short.

You know..like how most companies don't say lay offs anymore. The say re-organizing.

[Stratmaster]

That should not be Rose's role though

The Heat neutralized him when it mattered most adding Melo will make Rose better

Teams aren't gameplanning for Niko and Dougie

But figuring out how to stop Rose/Melo is pick your poison at its finest

I am not a Melo fan. However, I was hoping he would come (while feeling like he wouldn't) because even though he is a highly flawed player he does uniquely fill a need the bulls have, granted at an inflated price.

With that said, and agreeing Melo would make he bulls thought to beat, if Rose comes back at an all star level (if he doesn't the bulls are #%^*^%# anyway) the Bulls are contenders, particularly wihtt he addition of two shooters like M&M. They were contenders with a healthy Rose before, and have an improved supporting cast around him now. Miami is likely significantly weaker. It is wide open.

There's nothing Melo can't do on the court he's got a complete skillset he just hasn't been utilized that way

That's why I want Melo to play for Thibs because I think Thibs brings out everything in him and helps him reach his full potential

The legend that is Thibs grows even more. What he can do, what he wants to do, what he will do... A 30 year old NBA veteran....but he just "has never been used right", "hasn't had the right talent around him", "hasn't had the right coach". How many more excuses does he need or get? You think MJ, LBJ, Kobe, etc. etc. needed a coach to "help them reach their full potential"? Respectfully, and of course only IMHO that is all hogwash.

[Proven_Winner]

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Do they really have a choice? They won 35 games last year WITH MELO, and Amare, and JR, and Chandler, and ,Shump, Tim Hardaway Jr., etc. (Jesus, that reads like a who's who of RealGM Bulls board coveted players over the last several years.- think of all the hundreds of pages we've about how the Bulls should get these guys).....

Great post pointing out the irony there. However, they have a choice. If the Knicks keep Melo they will IMO be a playoff team this season. With Melo under contract they will be able to recruit quality players. Playoffs this season. Who knows the following season.

But how could they be a playoff team this year when teams aren't going out of their way to tank. There is not too much to back a statement like that. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to make it, but odds are that they don't make it.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine about 53 minutes ago

As ESPN reported late Thursday, Houston already courting Bosh in anticipation of Melo staying w/NYK. Must trade Lin to make Bosh big offer

[wonderboy2]

When you constantly haven't been able to score enough to win titles like you guys should have its worth getting your panties in a bunch

Sorry but Niko and Dougie is not enough to take down Elite teams come May and June

Well...there is this guy named Rose...

That should not be Rose's role though

The Heat neutralized him when it mattered most adding Melo will make Rose better

Teams aren't gameplanning for Niko and Dougie

But figuring out how to stop Rose/Melo is pick your poison at its finest

It would be nice to get Melo, but every report ive seen posted on here said hes staying in Newyork, and honestly I don't blame him. He can make the super-max and stay with his family. If he was strongly considering the bulls there would've been something leaked by now. Melo is one of my favorite players but I think the bulls need to take a hints and move on to other players before they sign elsewhere.

[AAU Teammate]

I will say one thing about the whole all he does is score thing(which isn't even true)

The team with the most rebounds usually wins
The team with the most assist usually wins
The team with the most stops usually wins
But the team with most points ALWAYS wins

The game will forever be about buckets

3rd most points last year? Minnesota Timberwolves. There are various dimensions to winning. Fools boil the game down to child terms.

[organix85]

No I'm serious though, I dont understand this line of thinking which many other people have. What has Melo done to show he is more about the money then any other star player?

Are you serious? How long have you been following Melo and the NBA? Has it been longer than a few years? Because if it has been longer, surely you remember when Melo wanted out of Denver and wanted to be in NY. All he had to do was to wait a few months and sign with NY as a UFA. They had the capspace. Instead, he forced them to gut their roster in a S&T so that they could have his Bird rights and pay him the max, for the max number of years, as he wanted. If he'd been about winning his path was clear. Instead he chose money and screwed his desired team (and its fans).

Now it's your turn. Make me a list of the superstars that have done something similar. If it turns out to include more than half the league's stars, you win. Otherwise, Melo is more about the money than other star players.

yes if he wasnt selfish he would have left Denver high and dry like Lebron did to Cleveland. That Cavs roster was quite spectacular? They almost set the record for consecutive lost games in a season!!

Are you really implying he wanted a trade so that the Nuggets could not suck after he left? And that makes him not about the money?