Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

[BeatDaCavs420]

Think Rings Melo Think Rings

Chicago is the place,you Noah taj and Rose (if healthy) will tear the east up along with thibs as you're coach its too perfect

RINGS RINGS RINGS MELO!!!!!!!

[MikeLowrey]

Look, if melo wants to stay in NY, **** him. He has 32 year old Jose Calderon who got beat out of his starting PG spot by Jarret Jack. They have Amare Limpamire and Bargnani. The only thing that team is winning is a lottery pick.

So, let him stay. It's his career and he's the one who will have to take the beat downs he's about to get.

For Chicago, our team is still growing. We are getting a big shot of young talent into the roster and if we can land Stephenson and Nikola, I'd say we'll be back in the Eastern Conference Finals next season.

If Melo wants to lose and get his paycheck, thats fine by me too. I'll definitely enjoy whooping NY everytime, like we have been, for the next couple years until that money hungry loser retires

I dont know why you're trying to be cute with me for a few cheap and1s. We're all on the same boat here, aren't we all Bulls fans here? I've been wanting Melo to come this whole time. Might as well have a "Not with us, you're against us" attitude. Or you can continue posting Willy Wonka memes, whatever helps stroke your ego I guess

[CoolKids]

Wait wait wait wait. What? I'm not following your logic. You asked what Melo had done to make him more about the money-- HIS money-- than about winning, and to a greater degree than other superstar players. I addressed that, and you didn't respond. Instead you compared his forcing a trade to NY for valuable assets, to Lebron's leaving his old team without substantial compensation. That's a complete non sequitur.

Melo made the Knicks trade a boatload of valuable assets for him, and if they had been allowed to keep those assets while signing him (for less money/years) a few months later he would have been in a MUCH better position to win. He chose money over winning. While I do regard Lebron as a douchebag, he chose winning over money.

He didnt "make" the knicks do anything. thats where you're going awry. I dont think informing Denver he was going to leave was selfish. That gave them an opportunity to field offers for him. NY made the best offer so thats where he ended up. He didnt make the Knicks trade for him.

Melo forced his way out and NY was dumb enough to trade the farm for him rather than risk losing him to the Nets. You're quibbling over semantics and small points. Melo wanted to go to the Knicks and he wanted to get paid the most money possible, and he was very happy to do so with a diminished roster rather than wait a few months, get less money, and play with a much stronger surrounding cast. Now find me a bunch of other stars who've done that.

You're grasping at straws and it's kind of sad. No one here (or very few people, at least) think that this past behavior makes Melo a terrible person. The point that Duck was making was just the opposite. He can go for the money if he wants; he's done it before, and he seems to be doing it now. Consistency. Bulls fans shouldn't be surprised. But if all of that holds true, the business about preferring winning to money was a farce from the start.

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

[NYGiants4Natic]

Just saying they have no foundation.. not youth.. no real assets, no real talent, not sure if they even have all their own picks coming.. It just looks bad to me.

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

[DaeDae]

The legend that is Thibs grows even more. What he can do, what he wants to do, what he will do... A 30 year old NBA veteran....but he just "has never been used right", "hasn't had the right talent around him", "hasn't had the right coach". How many more excuses does he need or get? You think MJ, LBJ, Kobe, etc. etc. needed a coach to "help them reach their full potential"? Respectfully, and of course only IMHO that is all hogwash.

I don't see a single excuse

Coaches

Karl- utilized him best but never developed him into an all around player
D'Antoni- hey Melo stand in corner and wait for the ball
Woody- here Melo take the ball, now go

Team

Constantly dealt with injuries during the playoffs every year Camby, Nene, Martin, Billups, STAT, Lin, Chandler, Shumpert. Rarely has he ever had a team at full strength come playoff time

Also look at Jordan before Phil, scorer who didn't so much else
Kobe from 2005-2007 scoring machine teams barely made the playoffs
LeBron needed to legit All-NBA talents to win big

Melo has never had a Pippen, Shaq, Gasol, Wade or Bosh at his side so his limited success come playoff time shouldn't b a shock to anyone

He has his flaws yes but he's still a top 5 NBA talent

Karl was a great coach. Didn't follow the rest close enough to comment. The bulls before Phil were on the verge already. Phil inherited great contending teams everywhere he coached. Another reason he has some proving to do as gm ( and I think he will do great, to the point of getting ridiculed on this board for saying it).

He is a top 5 talent, just no where near a top 5 player. Therein lies the disconnect, and the problem. His biggest concern about coming to Chicago seemed to be "what is it like playing for Thibs". My translation " geesh will I actually have to work hard?"

That's reaching a bit. Every plater worth anything cares about who they play for.

[RememberLu]

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

[IrishBeatdown]

If Melo wants to lose and get his paycheck, thats fine by me too. I'll definitely enjoy whooping NY everytime, like we have been, for the next couple years until that money hungry loser retires

I dont know why you're trying to be cute with me for a few cheap and1s. We're all on the same boat here, aren't we all Bulls fans here? I've been wanting Melo to come this whole time. Might as well have a "Not with us, you're against us" attitude. Or you can continue posting Willy Wonka memes, whatever helps stroke your ego I guess

Onward then, since you are a fan:



Hopefully this nets me a few and1's. Been looking to pad my stats.

[Stratmaster]

I understand. But ny is not a place where complete rebuilds are accepted very well. Especially not for a new gm who is a "legend" in the league and comes with high expectations. Finally, the of a front office is to make money...and if you can win a championship doing it better yet. Melo is a draw. Who else would fans come to see?

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

I agree with your point. But this is the bulls board, not he Knicks. And I disagree about the bulls being a better team in the ECF than they will be this season, unless of course Rose bombs. But since you came here, when was the Knicks last ECF appearance? Or are you still living in...

[johnnyvann840]

Man, I don't even have to post. Ben and Dae Dae are posting my thoughts for me.

[Leto]

He didnt "make" the knicks do anything. thats where you're going awry. I dont think informing Denver he was going to leave was selfish. That gave them an opportunity to field offers for him. NY made the best offer so thats where he ended up. He didnt make the Knicks trade for him.

Melo forced his way out and NY was dumb enough to trade the farm for him rather than risk losing him to the Nets. You're quibbling over semantics and small points. Melo wanted to go to the Knicks and he wanted to get paid the most money possible, and he was very happy to do so with a diminished roster rather than wait a few months, get less money, and play with a much stronger surrounding cast. Now find me a bunch of other stars who've done that.

You're grasping at straws and it's kind of sad. No one here (or very few people, at least) think that this past behavior makes Melo a terrible person. The point that Duck was making was just the opposite. He can go for the money if he wants; he's done it before, and he seems to be doing it now. Consistency. Bulls fans shouldn't be surprised. But if all of that holds true, the business about preferring winning to money was a farce from the start.

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

[nitetrain8603]

I will say one thing about the whole all he does is score thing(which isn't even true)

The team with the most rebounds usually wins
The team with the most assist usually wins
The team with the most stops usually wins
But the team with most points ALWAYS wins

The game will forever be about buckets

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[Leto]

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

I agree with your point. But this is the bulls board, not he Knicks. And I disagree about the bulls being a better team in the ECF than they will be this season, unless of course Rose bombs. But since you came here, when was the Knicks last ECF appearance? Or are you still living in...

Really, the only reason melo comes to Chicago is because they are a better team and give Melo the best chance of winning. No one that knows anything about basketball disputes that.

[johnnyvann840]

OT- cannot wait for Fed and Joker for breakfast tomorrow.

[CoolKids]

Melo forced his way out and NY was dumb enough to trade the farm for him rather than risk losing him to the Nets. You're quibbling over semantics and small points. Melo wanted to go to the Knicks and he wanted to get paid the most money possible, and he was very happy to do so with a diminished roster rather than wait a few months, get less money, and play with a much stronger surrounding cast. Now find me a bunch of other stars who've done that.

You're grasping at straws and it's kind of sad. No one here (or very few people, at least) think that this past behavior makes Melo a terrible person. The point that Duck was making was just the opposite. He can go for the money if he wants; he's done it before, and he seems to be doing it now. Consistency. Bulls fans shouldn't be surprised. But if all of that holds true, the business about preferring winning to money was a farce from the start.

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

[Stratmaster]

I don't see a single excuse

Coaches

Karl- utilized him best but never developed him into an all around player
D'Antoni- hey Melo stand in corner and wait for the ball
Woody- here Melo take the ball, now go

Team

Constantly dealt with injuries during the playoffs every year Camby, Nene, Martin, Billups, STAT, Lin, Chandler, Shumpert. Rarely has he ever had a team at full strength come playoff time

Also look at Jordan before Phil, scorer who didn't so much else
Kobe from 2005-2007 scoring machine teams barely made the playoffs
LeBron needed to legit All-NBA talents to win big

Melo has never had a Pippen, Shaq, Gasol, Wade or Bosh at his side so his limited success come playoff time shouldn't b a shock to anyone

He has his flaws yes but he's still a top 5 NBA talent

Karl was a great coach. Didn't follow the rest close enough to comment. The bulls before Phil were on the verge already. Phil inherited great contending teams everywhere he coached. Another reason he has some proving to do as gm ( and I think he will do great, to the point of getting ridiculed on this board for saying it).

He is a top 5 talent, just no where near a top 5 player. Therein lies the disconnect, and the problem. His biggest concern about coming to Chicago seemed to be "what is it like playing for Thibs". My translation " geesh will I actually have to work hard

That's reaching a bit. Every plater worth anything cares about who they play for.

Agreed. However the answers they are looking for when they ask the questions can be quite different.

[NYGiants4Natic]

Melo may be a "draw" but NY doesn't need a draw, nor do they need to win to make money. Before Melo was there they had sellouts. When Melo was hurt they had sellouts. And guess what.... They haven't won **** in over 30 years. They haven't even been close since Jordan retired the 1st time and JVG was trying to breakup fights. The concept of the Knicks as a "premier franchise" is laughable. They are in the biggest market, and have been the only team in that market, that is why they get attention. When Melo first went there he said some **** about bringing NY back to glory... He wasn't even alive when they won. It's all jokes.

The Knicks should do a complete rebuild. Fans would still attend the games. What they have been doing has not been working, yet they want to keep trying it... We call that insanity. I have family who has season tickets, extensive lower level season tickets, and they don't want Melo re-signed for big money. If he takes a discount they are OK with it, but otherwise they are fine with seeing him walk. They know that no matter what they aren't winning rings in the next few years, so they would rather a rebuild. I know, I know, logical, rational Knick fans... A rarity.

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

[Leto]

The Knicks decision to trade for Melo was strictly on James Dolan. That has been well documented. You cant fault Melo for letting Denver know he wanted out. After that everything was out of his control. New York Made that trade offer. Carmelo did not make that trade offer. Denever wasnt going to lose him for nothing and the Knicks took the bait and gave up alot to get him. Again this is all on Dolan and the FO.

Melo obviously cares about money....but no more then any other player.honestly wade is the only star player I can think of to take a paycut in their prime to help a team. And that wasnt a very significant paycut.

Ok, then Melo shouldn't come out publically stating that "it's not about the money" if it's really about the money. You can't have it both ways.

I agree he shouldnt have said that. and I do think he would take a paycut, but a 60 million dollar paycut is ludicrous.

Its not really 60 million dollars unless you assume he'll never sign another contract--which is ludicrous.

[johnnyvann840]

The team with the most rebounds usually wins
The team with the most assist usually wins
The team with the most stops usually wins
But the team with most points ALWAYS wins

The game will forever be about buckets

forgot one...


the team that gives up the most points ALWAYS loses.

[Leto]

HAHAHAHAHA....Dude stop it...What have the Bulls won since Jordan retired in 98? 1 ECF appearance and housed by the Heat 4-1 with a fully healthy and better Bulls team then today

The Knicks at least made the finals vs Spurs after Jordan retired from Bulls. So your Bulls have been to one ECF since MJ left bulls and Knicks 1 NBA finals.

What have the bulls done...Or are you living of Jordan still.

Bulls are a consistently top team in the NBA every year in the Thibs era. We won 48 games without our first and second best player. Knicks won 37 WITH their best player.

mmmkay

We are talking rings and your team has won none in 16 years and not been to a finals in 16 years. So the goal is to pitch that your bulls are a consistent playoff team in a crap EC?

Face it the Bulls have done nothing...If Melo wanted the Bulls he would go there for 16 a year and then ask Bulls to offer the Knicks 2 firsts and Butler or Mirotic. Knicks would budge at the end but they are confident Melo wants to stay as he has always stated...He has never said he is looking to leave Knicks.

He said he wants to win and that message is for the Knicks to do something....How is going to Chicago a step up from NY? Melo is a star like many that want to be the man and be the reason their team wins. In NY he has that stage and that hungry fanbase. In Chicago he would be looked at having to join another team who will help him supposedly get a ring at lower money. He will never get the props for winning a ring in Chi then in NY...FACT

No. We are talking about improving your chances to win a ring. There is NO doubt that if Melo wants to win a ring Chicago is, BY FAR, the best place to come.

[WhiteM0nkey]

Is melo done visiting and meeting teams now? and are we just waiting on his decision?