OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

[Liver_Pooty]

Alright... that's just a ludicrous post. I can't even get into this if you're claiming that "he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily".

He averaged 7 and 5 this year and he barely touched the ball in the 2nd half of games, let alone played in the 4th quarter of games. Of course he can get 15 easy. Your really sleeping on this guy. When I say he knows how to play, I'm saying he's a smart player who knows how to play properly. He was muzzled this year, he almost shot 300 more times his rookie year than this year, and I'm sure he played more minutes that year also. A matter of fact, all of his numbers dropped this year except his fg% which was only 2 percentage points higher. This guy shouldve gotten 15 and 7 this year had we not cheated him, nobody can make me feel different about that.

I am not seeing what you are. The guy doesn't know how to score in the post against smaller defenders/back-up PGs (that's evidenced by hard facts, his pathetic points per possession and I think I already posted a clip of it some time back), he can have trouble getting by players when they offer him those few feet of open space, he doesn't really score from cuts all that much and from time to time he'll have trouble finishing at the rim as well.

15ppg is a really big number. In the last 10 years, only five wing players have averaged this in a season without shooting threes. Dwyane Wade, Grant Hill, Luol Deng, DeMar DeRozan and Desmond Mason. Obviously, those guys have their particular gifts on offense and at least are way more competent from the mid-range than MKG.

I just can't see such an offensive liability averaging 15 in today's league. And this isn't just about three point shot, let's not pretend that he is some poor kid who can do everything but bad, old coach Cliff has him standing in the corner because he can't shoot threes. He has to develop in other parts of the offensive game as well.

Agreed. There is no way a player who literally cannot hit a wide open 14 foot jump shot is going to average 15 points a game. Thats just insane. Gerald Wallace in 2005 had a much better jumper than MKG has now and barely averaged 15 that year as one of the main focal points on offense.

[Elden Payton]

If MKG's peak is just being a Tony Allen at the 3 spot than it will be severely disappointing. Allen is a hell of a defender, and can hit the corner 3, but MKG better end up being exponentially better than him. He has the physical tools to do so.

MKG might not ever be the second best prospect from his class, I personally think he will be the third or fourth best. Davis, Drummond, Lillard and MKG.

MKG is a 6'7, 232 pound guy, that can comfortably defend 1-4, and is regarded as a top (insert random number) perimiter defender at the age of 20.

Worst case he anchors the defense of a playoff team for a decade, he already has proven he can do that as the fifth youngest player in the league.

His only flaws are his jumpshot and ability to generate assists, because he passes the ball very well.

Worst case, he never gets any better than he is, and we give him 34 minutes per game, what would his numbers be? Add in the elite defense and you've got yourselves a hell of a player, which we do.

Offensively, we could not have utilised him less in any way shape or form.

[Baller2014]

So far at least 4 guys from the 2012 cast have pretty rock solid cases as projecting to be better players; Davis, Lillard, Drummond and Beal. I don't think it's even debatable with those 4 anymore. Others may also move into that category as time passes.

[Stun704]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

[BeesWax]

So far at least 4 guys from the 2012 cast have pretty rock solid cases as projecting to be better players; Davis, Lillard, Drummond and Beal. I don't think it's even debatable with those 4 anymore. Others may also move into that category as time passes.

I will give you the top two as far enough along to be up debatable at this point. MKG specializes in defense which neither of the last wo do very well. If Drummond stalled in his development right now MKG would not have far to go to catch him. Same could be said about Beal who is a defensive sieve. If MKG gets an even respectable midrange jumper to add to his driving game he could catch Beal quickly in all round production. According to 82games Beal had a .5 PER advantage at his main position while MKG had a 1.7 advantage. MKG's greatest asset is just overlooked more often than Beal's.

[Liver_Pooty]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

Yes sir. I've been saying this for a while now.

[HornetJail]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

He's already better than Favors will ever be. Drummond is 20.

Saying Drummond will never reach his ceiling is more ridiculous than saying that MKG will never reach his. Drummond is the only player in that draft that I'm disappointed we didn't draft. Not worried about Beal, and we already have a pretty Lillard-esque player in Kemba (though he's not quite there), and I laugh at anyone who thinks Waiters, Ross, or Barnes is better than MKG.

[BeesWax]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

He's already better than Favors will ever be. Drummond is 20.

Saying Drummond will never reach his ceiling is more ridiculous than saying that MKG will never reach his. Drummond is the only player in that draft that I'm disappointed we didn't draft. Not worried about Beal, and we already have a pretty Lillard-esque player in Kemba (though he's not quite there), and I laugh at anyone who thinks Waiters, Ross, or Barnes is better than MKG.

I am not saying Drummond isn't an up and coming player just that he is not sure fire better than MKG at this point. He had a solid season but also gave up a PER of 20 to opponents. He has a ways to go on that end of the floor. My argument was that only Davis and Lillard are obviously better at this point. Not saying more can't be in the end but it is not like he has fallen so far behind they are uncatchable at this point.


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[Eoghan]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

He's already better than Favors will ever be. Drummond is 20.

Saying Drummond will never reach his ceiling is more ridiculous than saying that MKG will never reach his. Drummond is the only player in that draft that I'm disappointed we didn't draft. Not worried about Beal, and we already have a pretty Lillard-esque player in Kemba (though he's not quite there), and I laugh at anyone who thinks Waiters, Ross, or Barnes is better than MKG.

Same. All Drummond has to do is work on team defense/get Monroe out of the **** way and he'll be a rich man's DeAndre Jordan.

[Hornet Mania]

MKG is the one young prospect on our team I would really hate to see the front office part with. Everyone acknowledged the fact he was going to be a raw player offensively coming into the league, and it is a concern that there wasn't more improvement in year 2, but I think the hate has gone too far. He's 20 years old, is an elite defender at his position and no one ever questions his effort or desire to improve.

I think a lot of the bias comes from his defense-centric value. If Charlotte had a top 5 offense and our most talented player on that end reason was a 20-year old, who was admittedly a sieve on D, I doubt that hypothetical player would get so much flack. We have a great defense, and some of that is Clifford's system but I'm not quick to discount MKG's contribution either. It's a lot easier to hide Al/McBob with him than without him.

I loved his performance in the playoffs, and how he didn't back down from the challenge Lebron presented. He has a winning mentality and that's surprisingly rare in the league, especially for such a young guy.

[Stun704]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

He's already better than Favors will ever be. Drummond is 20.

Saying Drummond will never reach his ceiling is more ridiculous than saying that MKG will never reach his. Drummond is the only player in that draft that I'm disappointed we didn't draft. Not worried about Beal, and we already have a pretty Lillard-esque player in Kemba (though he's not quite there), and I laugh at anyone who thinks Waiters, Ross, or Barnes is better than MKG.

How is drummond better then Favors? they seem like the same player to me

[Baller2014]

Have you watched Drummond? He's not only bigger and stronger than Favors, but he has a natural athleticism and smoothness that is shocking for his size. His physical gifts are Wilt like in their absurdity. Every game Drummond will do something ridiculous that makes you think "wow, did that really just happen?" Let me give one of my favourite examples below:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDtx1NtwvY[/youtube]
Ridiculous.

[TheKingofSting2]

This is going to be MKGs prove himself year.

[InProblematique]

Seeing the video of MKG's jumper like 2 months ago with Price right beside him really boosted my confidence in him. Shot is looking a lot better. Like, not even close to as bad as it used to be. I think this is as good a year as any that he breaks out. 11-12 PPG/7.5 RPG isn't out of the question. Pair that with his defense, and I'm happy there.

[LamarMatic7]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

Isn't it a bit early to call someone the "next Derrick Favors" when the young guy's career is still in its early stages?

[Stun704]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

Isn't it a bit early to call someone the "next Derrick Favors" when the young guy's career is still in its early stages?

On the flip side it's way too early to deem Drummond a franchise player. I feel that MKG is more impactful on the court currently. And I don't believe in Drummond offensive touch to get better on that side of the ball

[LamarMatic7]

Drummond is so overrated it's not even funny. He's the next Derrick favors. Super athletic with a high ceilings that will never put it all together to be a truly dominating big man

Isn't it a bit early to call someone the "next Derrick Favors" when the young guy's career is still in its early stages?

On the flip side it's way too early to deem Drummond a franchise player. I feel that MKG is more impactful on the court currently. And I don't believe in Drummond offensive touch to get better on that side of the ball

The people who aren't over-reacting aren't deeming him a franchise player.

[BlackOutBuzz]

@SteveReefAP
Watching Michael Kidd-Gilchrist shoot at practice his jump shot looks noticeably improved. He no longer bends his elbow in. I honestly did not think MKG would be able to change his shooting motion. It appears I was wrong. Credit to him for willingness to change.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Double post.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Triple post.