Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

RememberLu · Post #1681 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:52 pm

I always assumed that Thibs intended to run a Spurs-like offense, but never had the personnel (shooters) for it

Thibs is not dumb when it comes to offense, despite what some people say. He's always screaming about getting out in transition and getting some easy buckets. He knows that we struggle in the half court too much

davhern · Post #1682 » by **davhern** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:53 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

HNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Ralphb07 · Post #1683 » by **Ralphb07** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:53 pm

WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

MisterRoy · Post #1684 » by **MisterRoy** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:53 pm

DaeDae wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

Which means it's more like 4 years 93-94 million vs.5 years 129. He's not leaving 60 million on the table. More like the extra year, and that's it.

And that year is really nothing. He can sign for more after year 3.

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Leto · Post #1685 » by **Leto** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:53 pm

Peelboy wrote:
SuperflyKnick wrote:Been following this drama for a bit now... If we get melo then we are Gona win it all if not then he is going to be a career loser ? How does that even make sense ? Yes the bulls can field a better team right this moment but u can't sit here and tell me that this will be the case 2 yrs from now... They have Phil Jackson manning the ship now you noe the man who led to 6 bulls championships !!! There is no reason not to expect him to turn the ship and make NY into contenders next few seasons ... The man has do nothing but win ... He has more rings then fingers

Mr. Jordan might have something to say about that. As would Krause, who actually put those teams together. PJ is a great coach, but TBD as to whether that carries over, there are many successful coaches who have been less than successful GMs. In fact, I'm trying to think of the last successful coach who moved into a GM role and won a title there. Riley? Pop could qualify but he went the other way. George Karl, Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown, Chuck Daly - didn't they all move to GM roles with no success?

Not to mention in LAL where Mitch Kupchak and West built the Kobe Shaq team.

Maybe Phil can do it but it's certainly no given.

MrFortune3 · Post #1686 » by **MrFortune3** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:53 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

God bless you Ralph. God bless you.

davhern · Post #1687 » by **davhern** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:54 pm

coldfish wrote:As far as Melo and Thibs, people focus on the defense with Thibodeau.

The offense he wants to run is out of the post. He has publicly said it. He tries it every year with different players, Boozer, Deng and then Taj this year. It never works too well because of the players.

Melo's skill set is exactly what Thibodeau wants. Ironically, its those same abilities that have Phil Jackson telling Melo the triangle can work for him.

Its too bad. Melo could have made a run at MVP had he come to Chicago. Virtually every possession would have run through him.

Why are you speaking in past tense?

Jimmy Forums · Post #1688 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:54 pm

So Pau = no Taj. Do we keep Niko?

Jimmy Forums · Post #1689 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:54 pm

Pau vs. Taj how do people feel?

theanimal23 · Post #1690 » by **theanimal23** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:55 pm

I mean, if Melo would only come here without Taj (and landing Gasol), I'd do it, but man we'd be doing Taj dirty.

MoneyMitch · Post #1691 » by **MoneyMitch** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:55 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

I called this

No way you spend 9 hours with the man and are not prepared to offer him the max

SpankinMyHeat · Post #1692 » by **SpankinMyHeat** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:55 pm

Peelboy wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

Pure speculation, but this could easily be the rumored 3-way. First Bulls deal Taj and MDJ/Snell, opening up a $20+ cap space offer. This gets Knicks to agree to S&T where Bulls get Melo/Gasol ($30M total), LA gets Boozer. LA & NY share picks/Mirotic.

Or ideally,the fact that Bulls have a Taj deal lined up gets NYK to play ball. I like Taj next to Melo better than Gasol.

Rarely is there anything wrong with a rumored 3-way, especially with ladies from LA and NY. :lol:

RememberLu · Post #1693 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:56 pm

Jimmy Forums wrote:Pau vs. Taj how do people feel?

bad. Wanted to see Taj start at least 1 year on this team and play beside Noah

TheSuzerain · Post #1694 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:56 pm

Is the $22 million offer reliant on the Knicks agreeing to a S+T? Because that is concerning.

If not, great. However I still find it a bit odd to have Taj pitch only to get dealt to up Melo's offer. That looks bad.

davhern · Post #1695 » by **davhern** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:56 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

Is the last part based on info or just the same general sentiment that everyone has that he wants to stay in NY?

Either way, thanks for the update. Hope you're doing OK.

DaeDae · Post #1696 » by **DaeDae** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:56 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

And this is why he is taking his time in deciding. That is a MUCH harder decision than the either or proposition presented earlier.

red222 · Post #1697 » by **red222** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:57 pm

theanimal23 wrote:I mean, if Melo would only come here without Taj (and landing Gasol), I'd do it, but man we'd be doing Taj dirty.

I am sure we ran this by Taj

Ralphb07 · Post #1698 » by **Ralphb07** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:57 pm

Jimmy Forums wrote:So Pau = no Taj. Do we keep Niko?

There's a way to get Pau and keep Taj, prob no Niko then as we used the mle on something else.

If Melo choose us, NY would do a S&T and the Bulls would add more than Melo and he knows it. I still think he stays in NY as Lala runs the show IMO.

TheSuzerain · Post #1699 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:57 pm

red222 wrote:
theanimal23 wrote:I mean, if Melo would only come here without Taj (and landing Gasol), I'd do it, but man we'd be doing Taj dirty.

I am sure we ran this by Taj

WinCity · Post #1700 » by **WinCity** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:57 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

Thats interesting. Thanks. Guess its time to go back over the permutations that allow us to get Melo his non-bird max