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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#121 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:24 pm

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Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.


I think $6-$7 million per year on a 3 year deal would be a great value for Vasquez. That should be the determining factor for signings. It's way better value than Bledsoe at max and I can't even believe we're seriously discussing Lin here.

No way. He's a 20-25 minute a game backup, that is a huge overpay for our team. We shouldn't be paying over like $4 million a year for those type of backups.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#122 » by worthlessBucks » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:25 pm

Oddly enough, I will say I'm rather torn here. Signing Bledsoe would be fabulous, but adding another high lottery pick to go along with Parker/Giannis sounds just as good, if not better to me. Building through the draft has been my mantra, so I don't know if we should abandon that philosophy just as we're starting to do it the right way (consecutive top 5's). I'm also pondering what growth Knight could see with Kidd in charge of him. There is no guarantee that our next lottery pick is as good as Bledsoe, but Bledsoe does have injury issues that concern me. Call me Natalia Imbruglia.

If Lin comes with a first rounder, I'd probably do that. I'd actually request that the first rounder come at a much later date in the future though. I'd gamble that the Rockets could be crappy in like 5 years rather than take a for sure pick in the 25-30 range.

I like Vasquez, but he doesn't dramatically change our destiny of a lottery team. Meh, as long as the deal wasn't long or expensive, I do not care. He's a backup.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#123 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:25 pm

cinematographer wrote:No firsts for Bledsoe. That's what Knight and Henson are for.


I really think that package might get it done. If I am Phoenix, I am not sure I want Bledsoe at $60 million.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#124 » by Serge28 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:26 pm

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Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.


With the money still left amongst teams in FA, that probably is the contract he gets though. That said, I have no interest this year in a guy like that. If we were already a 45-50 win team, then I'd like him.


That's a fair point and honestly the only legit counterpoint I've heard so far.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#125 » by ampd » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:26 pm

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Serge28 wrote:I would love to see the Bucks sign Vasquez to like a 3 year/$18-$21 million deal.

As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.


I think $6-$7 million per year on a 3 year deal would be a great value for Vasquez. That should be the determining factor for signings. It's way better value than Bledsoe at max and I can't even believe we're seriously discussing Lin here.

Lin is expiring and would come with other assets attached to him as once time for us to take him. Just a one year stop gap so we have someone who can run the offense. I think he's a better fit than vasquez.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#126 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:27 pm

Serge28 wrote:http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nba/point-guard/

Look at this list and then tell me that $6-$7 million per year for Vasquez for 3 years is not great value.

$6-$7 million per year for Vasquez for 3 years is not great value.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#127 » by BigDoggyStyle » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:27 pm

worthlessBucks wrote:Oddly enough, I will say I'm rather torn here. Signing Bledsoe would be fabulous, but adding another high lottery pick to go along with Parker/Giannis sounds just as good, if not better to me. Building through the draft has been my mantra, so I don't know if we should abandon that philosophy just as we're starting to do it the right way (consecutive top 5's). I'm also pondering what growth Knight could see with Kidd in charge of him. There is no guarantee that our next lottery pick is as good as Bledsoe, but Bledsoe does have injury issues that concern me. Call me Natalia Imbruglia.

If Lin comes with a first rounder, I'd probably do that. I'd actually request that the first rounder come at a much later date in the future though. I'd gamble that the Rockets could be crappy in like 5 years rather than take a for sure pick in the 25-30 range.

I like Vasquez, but he doesn't dramatically change our destiny of a lottery team. Meh, as long as the deal wasn't long or expensive, I do not care. He's a backup.


How does signing Bledsoe prevent the Bucks from getting another high lotto pick? He's just another great, young piece to add for the rebuilding process. He won't add that many wins this year. Why not get both?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#128 » by Serge28 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:27 pm

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Baddy Chuck wrote:As someone who likes Vasquez, my god no.


I think $6-$7 million per year on a 3 year deal would be a great value for Vasquez. That should be the determining factor for signings. It's way better value than Bledsoe at max and I can't even believe we're seriously discussing Lin here.

No way. He's a 20-25 minute a game backup, that is a huge overpay for our team. We shouldn't be paying over like $4 million a year for those type of backups.


I think he's a starter on the Bucks with like 30 minutes per game and good for 10/3/8.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#129 » by worthlessBucks » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:30 pm

BigDoggyStyle wrote:How does signing Bledsoe prevent the Bucks from getting another high lotto pick? He's just another great, young piece to add for the rebuilding process. He won't add that many wins this year. Why not get both?

Bledsoe would move us out of the top 5. That's where we want to be drafting our core players. I think his presence, better coach, no stupid Sanders, and improvement from others puts us late lottery.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#130 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:30 pm

Balls2TheWalls wrote:This report lets me know that someone on the Bucks is 100% aware of how the roster should be built - whether it be Kidd or Hammond.


If they deal Brandon Knight as part of a package for Bledsoe it will confirm for me that we are in great shape going forward.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#131 » by Serge28 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:31 pm

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Serge28 wrote:I think $6-$7 million per year on a 3 year deal would be a great value for Vasquez. That should be the determining factor for signings. It's way better value than Bledsoe at max and I can't even believe we're seriously discussing Lin here.

Lin is expiring and would come with other assets attached to him as once time for us to take him. Just a one year stop gap so we have someone who can run the offense. I think he's a better fit than vasquez.


I really hate Lin because I think that in order for him to be successful he needs the ball in his hands. I believe Vasquez to be a superior fit because he is such a great ball-mover. I completely trust Vasquez to get the ball to Giannis/Parker in spots for them to succeed and develop. I don't trust Lin like that, especially during the last season of his deal, just before he hits free agency. Guy is going to be even more ball-dominant than usual while looking for his next deal.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#132 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:31 pm

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Balls2TheWalls wrote:This report lets me know that someone on the Bucks is 100% aware of how the roster should be built - whether it be Kidd or Hammond.


If they deal Brandon Knight as part of a package for Bledsoe it will confirm for me that we are in great shape going forward.


I would love to know what package gets a S&T going. I would honestly love to know if we could make a S&T work with Phoenix and then take on Lin to also stockpile young talent from Houston. Lin never needs to see the court. Deal his expiring late in the season for a draft pick.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#133 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:31 pm

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BigDoggyStyle wrote:How does signing Bledsoe prevent the Bucks from getting another high lotto pick? He's just another great, young piece to add for the rebuilding process. He won't add that many wins this year. Why not get both?

Bledsoe would move us out of the top 5. That's where we want to be drafting our core players. I think his presence and improvement from others puts us late lottery.


I think we need some tank moves to stay in the top five next year. I think Kidd will coach up Sanders and Ersan to the tune of 24-29 wins.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#134 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:32 pm

Lin's gotta be praying if he gets traded it's to the Bucks and not the Sixers.

It wouldn't totally surprise me if Morey traded him to the Sixers with an asset and then the Sixers tried to turn around and trade him to the Bucks along with a worse asset. Sounds like Hinkie, who I believe is friends with Morey.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#135 » by Serge28 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:32 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Serge28 wrote:http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nba/point-guard/

Look at this list and then tell me that $6-$7 million per year for Vasquez for 3 years is not great value.

$6-$7 million per year for Vasquez for 3 years is not great value.


Based on the current market and the link I provided that lists NBA point guards and their salaries, I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you here.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#136 » by Godgers » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:33 pm

I wanted Bledsoe last year when Hammond botched the trade and gave the Suns Bledsoe. Now I want to build through the draft. What will Bledsoe do?

Build through the draft don't be stupid Bucks.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#137 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:33 pm

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Rockmaninoff wrote:A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases.

I also like Lin, Vasquez not as much.


I hope that would happen, in which case we might only need to include Henson OR Knight OR even nothing, but it doesn't seem likely that Bledsoe would be so dead-set on coming to Milwaukee. More likely this situation would just be palatable enough with Kidd, the new owners, and Parker/Giannis/Sanders to sign here for the big bucks initially, and then he'll be satisfied going to either place. Phoenix is pretty tits in the winter, and close to LA. As a result of that and the cap space I always thought of them as a dark horse for the big ticket fa's this summer. They lured Nash ten years ago. I don't think we can expect to surpass Phoenix's level of attractiveness practically overnight, if we ever can. I think Bledsoe would be just fine with Phoenix matching, if not prefer it.
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Post#138 » by PedroGrande » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:34 pm

If we only didn't have Zaza and Mayo in our books...
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#139 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:34 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
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BigDoggyStyle wrote:How does signing Bledsoe prevent the Bucks from getting another high lotto pick? He's just another great, young piece to add for the rebuilding process. He won't add that many wins this year. Why not get both?

Bledsoe would move us out of the top 5. That's where we want to be drafting our core players. I think his presence and improvement from others puts us late lottery.


I think we need some tank moves to stay in the top five next year. I think Kidd will coach up Sanders and Ersan to the tune of 24-29 wins.


This. I don't think the current Bucks team is top 5 unless Parker ends up being a huge disappointment.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#140 » by BigDoggyStyle » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:35 pm

worthlessBucks wrote:
BigDoggyStyle wrote:How does signing Bledsoe prevent the Bucks from getting another high lotto pick? He's just another great, young piece to add for the rebuilding process. He won't add that many wins this year. Why not get both?

Bledsoe would move us out of the top 5. That's where we want to be drafting our core players. I think his presence, better coach, no stupid Sanders, and improvement from others puts us late lottery.


Late lottery is a bit of a stretch. I don't see any way they don't get a top 10 pick. I'd put them somewhere in the 7-8 range at worst. There just aren't that many teams that will be that much worse honestly.

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