After Melodrama, who's the best shooting guard we can get?

logical_art · Post #161 » by **logical_art** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:41 pm

What about getting Bledsoe to play off the bench and get Rose off the ball more? Would probably be good for Rose health wise in the long run, and Bledsoe might be the best FA get we can... get.

Rose/Bledsoe
Butler/Rose
McD/Butler

Isn't bad at all

danzou · Post #162 » by **danzou** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:45 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
danzou wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.

Whoa, I think it's way too early to call Taj's post game reliable to the point where it absolves our need for another shot creator.

I hope he gets there but at this point you can't build your team based on that premise.

I'm actually talking about the Bulls reported interest in Pau as a plan B.

Whoops my bad. Yes, then I agree with you. Doesn't have to be a dynamic scoring SF, just another dynamic scoring threat in the starting lineup. Even so I think we would need more ball handling to balance out the offense.

Post #163 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:47 pm

logical_art wrote:What about getting Bledsoe to play off the bench and get Rose off the ball more? Would probably be good for Rose health wise in the long run, and Bledsoe might be the best FA get we can... get.

Rose/Bledsoe
Butler/Rose
McD/Butler

Isn't bad at all

Bledsoe isn't signing with anyone to be a backup. That doesn't mean I don't want to sign him. Sign, start him at point guard, and move Rose over. No way the Bulls FO does that though.

logical_art · Post #164 » by **logical_art** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:57 pm

DuckIII wrote:
logical_art wrote:What about getting Bledsoe to play off the bench and get Rose off the ball more? Would probably be good for Rose health wise in the long run, and Bledsoe might be the best FA get we can... get.

Rose/Bledsoe
Butler/Rose
McD/Butler

Isn't bad at all

Bledsoe isn't signing with anyone to be a backup. That doesn't mean I don't want to sign him. Sign, start him at point guard, and move Rose over. No way the Bulls FO does that though.

You're probably right. They could start Bledsoe at the 2 if they were so opposed to moving Rose there formally. With 96 minutes at both spots there's plenty of room for both guys plus Butler playing big minutes to check big guards. Plus Bledsoe is a nice hedge against Rose's health.

RomeDaDome · Post #165 » by **RomeDaDome** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 4:18 pm

In the short term, I like the idea of going after Jamal Crawford. I know he's older but he should be good for for 16ppg in 30 mins right? He can create his own shot and heat up quick. He could play a Korver type roll but better. I know it would require a sign and trade but I think he's a better fit than any other veterans.

Hayward would be cool but will require too much money. Stephenson would be a better Jimmy Butler except with locker room issues. Nick Young will probably be too much money especially after the contract Meeks got. Parsons would be great but not sure if he could be had and Waiters is interesting but I would rather have Stephensons talent if we were going to accept potential locker room issues.

Sadly, I could see Hinrich being the starting 2 next year. I would prefer to see Rose and DJ Augustin together or at least playing the majority of the game together. I know that's not ideal, especially defensively but DJ proved to be a scorer that we needed last season.

Not sure if the money makes sense but I could see myself coming to terms with Noah, Taj, Dougie, Butler, Rose with Mirotic, Snell, and Augustin off the bench with a veteran big like Birdman, Okafor, or Frye.

kyrv · Post #166 » by **kyrv** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 4:22 pm

Butler.

The SFs available are WAAYYY better than the SGs.

inescape · Post #167 » by **inescape** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 4:25 pm

RomeDaDome wrote:In the short term, I like the idea of going after Jamal Crawford. I know he's older but he should be good for for 16ppg in 30 mins right? He can create his own shot and heat up quick. He could play a Korver type roll but better. I know it would require a sign and trade but I think he's a better fit than any other veterans.

Hayward would be cool but will require too much money. Stephenson would be a better Jimmy Butler except with locker room issues. Nick Young will probably be too much money especially after the contract Meeks got. Parsons would be great but not sure if he could be had and Waiters is interesting but I would rather have Stephensons talent if we were going to accept potential locker room issues.

Sadly, I could see Hinrich being the starting 2 next year. I would prefer to see Rose and DJ Augustin together or at least playing the majority of the game together. I know that's not ideal, especially defensively but DJ proved to be a scorer that we needed last season.

Not sure if the money makes sense but I could see myself coming to terms with Noah, Taj, Dougie, Butler, Rose with Mirotic, Snell, and Augustin off the bench with a veteran big like Birdman, Okafor, or Frye.

I have always been a fan of Crawford, wanted him over Rip Hamilton, never really wanted him to leave in the first place, so I am onboard with his signing but to leave the Clippers? Not sure if that is going to happen. I can't stomach Hinrich anymore, I barely want him at the vet minimum as the 3rd string PG. I just see him as a complete negative on the court, eye test only no stats to back that up.

SteveDobbs · Post #168 » by **SteveDobbs** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 4:38 pm

HomoSapien wrote:If Mirotic is on the team, then we might be able to cover up Stuckey's lack of shooting. I'd definitely take him over Young.

As someone who watched a fair amount of Pistons ball when BG went there, Stuckey won't give you a lack of shooting. He loves to shoot, what he lacks is making. Mirotic won't help his shots go in more often.

crazyhog · Post #169 » by **crazyhog** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 4:39 pm

Ben Mclemore

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Polynice4Pippen · Post #170 » by **Polynice4Pippen** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:05 pm

nitetrain8603 wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
danzou wrote:
Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.

Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.

Because the same issues arise in that case. How do you stop the Bulls offense? Stop Derrick Rose. Who's going to pick up the playmaking when that happens? If anyone wants to take a page out of San Antonio's books, they should take out the fact that there was always at least 2 playmakers on the floor at all times with each guy being good passers and able to get their own shot off.

I just hope Gar/Pax understand this. I think they do now and they're finally gonna try and address it.

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jcuuofd · Post #171 » by **jcuuofd** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:19 pm

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Nick Young or Lance Stephenson would be the best.

The Bulls could also sign a SF like Mike Miller or Caron Butler and use them as a 2/3.

MGB8 · Post #172 » by **MGB8** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:12 pm

I think Stephenson, warts and all, is the best get out ther next to Jimmy (or McBucketts).

But given our struggles, I think a 2nd creator is a priority.

Waiters and Mayo, if either are available for relatively cheap, would be nice gets (better than as Stuckey because of shooting ability).

Grievis Vasquez would be an unconventional pick, but he is 6'6 and can run in a 2 point guard lineup like he did with Kyle Lowry. Alec Burks is another legit option who can both shoot and create.

TankOverlord · Post #173 » by **TankOverlord** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:18 pm

Give me Bledsoe, Parsons or Pierce. Everything else is DO NOT WANT. Rather just roll with Jimmy/Dougie.

IrishBeatdown · Post #174 » by **IrishBeatdown** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:41 pm

crazyhog wrote:Ben Mclemore

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He's readily available, seeing as sacramento drafted a new SG and has apparently given up on Ben after just 1 year. He had a terribly inefficient rookie year, did you see something in him that most people missed? Because right now, he looks like a guy that won't be able to help us. He had a garbage shooting year, which is what we would need him for the most.

Bandit King · Post #175 » by **Bandit King** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 6:59 pm

Garpax should be fired if Butler is the starter again. He can't shoot at all!

MrFortune3 · Post #176 » by **MrFortune3** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:03 pm

Hopefully we can make a move for McLemore or Waiters. Would allow us to have them for a cheap salary for a couple of years.

Though it wouldn't stun me to see them sign Evan Turner.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #177 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:05 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Isaiah Thomas has the same stats as Kyrie Irving, and the kings don't seem to want him. I'd throw 8-10 million at him. Insurance in case rose is awful. Idk why he isn't being talked about.

Cuz you don't build a win-now roster on the basis that Rose might suck so bad you need a star PG behind him. If we need Thomas, we're screwed. If we don't, we've buried a 10 million dollar player on the bench.

I'd run a 2 point guard lineup for a good chunk of time. Sure Rose would be guarding twos, but there are only a handful of twos that can take advantage of that. I think you'll actually see more 2 point lineups in the future, I'd like the bulls to stay ahead of the curve.

Thomas, Rose
Rose, Butler
McDermott, butler
Gibson, Mirotic
Noah, Gibson

It would be tricky at first, but that team has a ton of talent and playmaking ability, something we've lacked for a while.

ReanimatedBulls · Post #178 » by **ReanimatedBulls** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 7:27 pm

The real problem is the 2 guard is the weakest position in the nba. The only two on the market it seems are Stephenson and young, and they both have downsides. It would be interesting to see if thibs could fix them like he fixed Nate and dj.

Darius Miles Davis · Post #179 » by **Darius Miles Davis** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:41 pm

I think right now my pick is Crazy Lance. If Mirotic would sign an MLE deal (not clear), and we could move Dunleavy for space (likely), I believe we would have the cap room to offer Lance a deal starting at 8.83 million per.

Year 1 - $8,831,513
Year 2 - $9,228,931
Year 3 - $9,644,232
Year 4 - $10,007,822 (not sure if I would offer this)

That's a 3/27.7 deal or a 4/37.7 deal. Obviously, I'd prefer to offer him the 3 year deal. Would he take either deal? Well, neither is as much total money as the 5 year Indy deal (5/44), but each is a bit more per year on average, at more than 9 mil per. Also, I'm not even sure that Indy deal is still on the table. It would take them into the luxury tax, as they have signed two players since they offered that deal to Lance, including CJ Miles, a potential shooting guard replacement for him.

Where would this leave the Bulls salary wise? I'm going to add in DJ Augustine at the BAE (possible) and Kirk Hinrich in at the minimum (he could probably do better elsewhere but seems to want to return).

Derrick Rose $18,862,870
Joakim Noah $12,700,000
Lance Stephenson $8,831,513
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Nikola Mirotic $5,305,000
Jimmy Butler $2,008,748
Doug McDermott $1,898,300
Anthony Randolph $1,825,000
Tony Snell $1,472,400
Greg Smith $948,163
Kirk Hinrich $915,243

*Rip Hamilton $333,334

This would leave the Bulls with 11 players under contract. They'd need to fill in two more vet minimum players before the season.

TOTAL SALARY $63,100,571
CAP ROOM $99,429
LUXURY TAX ROOM $13,899,429 (TAX PAYMENT: $0)
APRON ROOM $17,899,429

The roster would probably look like this:

PG: Rose, Augustine, (Hinrich)
SG: Lance, Hinrich, Snell
SF: Butler, McBuckets (Snell), (Lance), (Vet Minimum)
PF: Gibson, Mirotic, Randolph
C: Noah, (Gibson), Smith, (Vet Minimum)

Lance is a risk, but I just don't think we can do better than this if Melo is off the table.

Thoughts?

BullyBob · Post #180 » by **BullyBob** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 9:44 pm

I think Nick Young 6' 7" 18 PPG would be the perfect compliment to Rose, he can flat out light it up, he's
long enough to defend bigger guards, allowing Rose or DJA to defend smaller quicker guards. His defense
will improve under Thib's. Also if Rose has to play limited minutes, Nick & DJA can still carry the scoring.
However his price tag increases everyday.If the Bully's wait too long chasing Melo.

Hot FA like Parsons, &, Nick will either, get away or, be over priced. Young is rated #1, of the sleeper FA
that many teams are looking at. The best case scenario would be to sign Nick straight out, thru amnesty,
or S&T for, Heinrich & Snell, or Butler straight up. Offer Heinrich league minimum then resign DJA.
If Heinrich is not willing, James Anderson 6' 6" 10 PPG is available for league minimum to replace him, 8-)