Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[paulpressey25]

Still, why even trade Knight and Henson for a guy like Bledsoe on a probable max"ish" contract. Knight and Henson are assets....

Knight is due for a contract extension this offseason OR you let him play it into RFA next year where he is due for a new contract. He's a PPGZ guy which means you likely have to pay him at least $6-$8 million a year to keep him if not more. He's never going to have more trade value than he's got right now. The team that gets him can audition him for a year before paying him. If we keep him this next year, we end up being the ones to pay him otherwise as he will have less trade value six months from now.

Henson I'm less enthused to trade. I still really like his innate abililty to get points and rebounds and his length. That said, his position is center and I'm not sure he ever develops the competiveness or skills to be a top tier center.

[Serge28]

Andre Miller is 38. Vasquez is a much better player. Jack is 30 and nowhere near Vasquez in terms of being a pure point guard. Atrocious deal? Awful deal? I see you are prone to hyperboles.

No hyperboles at all, it would be a very bad deal. Age really doesn't matter, they're still playing the same role and Andre Miller is arguably better at the role and paid less on a team that can actually use his production. It isn't like Vasquez is going to improve his game at 27. He is what he is at this point, which is a player I actually like, but 6-7 million on a rebuilding team is awful.

Right, that's the only valid counterpoint I've seen. As much as I would love to see him get the ball to Giannis and Parker to maximize their game, I can see as to why he wouldn't be a perfect fit for THIS Bucks team.

[Diggr14]

Plus.. i'd prefer a pointguard that isnt a chucker.


That means more shots for Parker/Giannis.

[Serge28]

Seeing and ignoring are not the same.


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Yet another post completely devoid of actual substance. Post evidence that you promised or go away with your useless one-liners.

[JayMKE]

I would of rather signed a Livingston than get Vasquez, Livingston is a better all around player.

[bucksbrewers3]

I'd take Lin if they throw nick Johnson our way too

[Baddy Chuck]

Right, that's the only valid counterpoint I've seen. As much as I would love to see him get the ball to Giannis and Parker to maximize their game, I can see as to why he wouldn't be a perfect fit for THIS Bucks team.

Let's not act like he's Steve Nash, he's basically a farther along Nate Wolters. He's not going out and creating baskets for our young guys, he's just not letting the ball stick in his hands like Knight would.

Rebuilding team or not I don't think 6-7 million is a good contract for Vasquez. On a good team he's a backup, and not worth that deal. On a bad team he's a medicore starter and not worth that deal. You got someone like Calderon who is basically a rich man's Vasquez and even he isn't a good deal on that contract.

[Serge28]

I would of rather signed a Livingston than get Vasquez, Livingston is a better all around player.

And I'm tired of having all-around players at point guard. We've got Giannis and Parker now. I want a point guard who won't care about his own PPGZ (Lin this season and Bledsoe in general) and instead get his best players the rock in spots they can succeed. That's why I want Vasquez.

[Serge28]

Right, that's the only valid counterpoint I've seen. As much as I would love to see him get the ball to Giannis and Parker to maximize their game, I can see as to why he wouldn't be a perfect fit for THIS Bucks team.

Let's not act like he's Steve Nash, he's basically a farther along Nate Wolters. He's not going out and creating baskets for our young guys, he's just not letting the ball stick in his hands like Knight would.

Rebuilding team or not I don't think 6-7 million is a good contract for Vasquez. On a good team he's a backup, and not worth that deal. On a good team he's a medicore starter and not worth that deal. You got someone like Calderon who is basically a rich man's Vasquez and even he isn't a good deal on that contract.

Then you and I greatly differ on what's a good deal or not based on the current market in 2014.

[ampd]

There have been oodles of evidence posted in this thread as to why that number is absurd for Vazquez. I like Vazquez, I've said as much. But for the number you're throwing out there? That's just lunacy.

That sad Jaguars fan agrees.

Show me these "oodles of evidence" cause I haven't seen any. I'd love to see evidence as to why $6-$7 million per year for a guy who had the most total assists in the entire NBA in 2012-2013, is 27, and a great outside shooter is "lunacy" "absurd" atrocious" and "awful"

7 mil for 3 years adds a middling player who is really a stopgap to our already long list of mediocre players on untradable contracts. Mayo zaza and delfino are already taking up max cap space not to mention ersan and larry.

Another multi year sizeable deal for a guy who doesn't move the needle at all is just not a good use of cap for a team in our position. We need to use our cap to either acquire assets (lin) or acquire core pieces (bledsoe) not give large multi year deals to guys who are going to get in the way of that and even worse possibly take playing time away from youth we do acquire.

Vasquez is an ok player but at 3/21 he's a bad fit for us. It might be ok if Hammond hadn't already blown his wad on multiple deals of the same kind but this time next year we'd likely be looking to deal him just like Mayo now.

That problem doesn't exist with lin and bledsoe

[Serge28]

There have been oodles of evidence posted in this thread as to why that number is absurd for Vazquez. I like Vazquez, I've said as much. But for the number you're throwing out there? That's just lunacy.

That sad Jaguars fan agrees.

Show me these "oodles of evidence" cause I haven't seen any. I'd love to see evidence as to why $6-$7 million per year for a guy who had the most total assists in the entire NBA in 2012-2013, is 27, and a great outside shooter is "lunacy" "absurd" atrocious" and "awful"

7 mil for 3 years adds a middling player who is really a stopgap to our already long list of mediocre players on untradable contracts. Mayo zaza and delfino are already taking up max cap space not to mention ersan and larry.

Another multi year sizeable deal for a guy who doesn't move the needle at all is just not a good use of cap for a team in our position. We need to use our cap to either acquire assets (lin) or acquire core pieces (bledsoe) not give large multi year deals to guys who are going to get in the way of that and even worse possibly take playing time away from youth we do acquire

I mostly agree with you. I don't consider Vasquez an untradable contract at all though. I see Calderon on a really fair deal right now ($7-$7.5 million at 32) and he's essentially a slightly better player than Vasquez and just got traded. His strengths are slightly better than Vasquez's strengths and his weakness are slightly less so. Vasquez would be very tradeable. I do agree that he doesn't really move the needle though. I also wonder if he would take away too much playing time from Wolters.

[JayMKE]

I would of rather signed a Livingston than get Vasquez, Livingston is a better all around player.

And I'm tired of having all-around players at point guard. We've got Giannis and Parker now. I want a point guard who won't care about his own PPGZ (Lin this season and Bledsoe in general) and instead get his best players the rock in spots they can succeed. That's why I want Vasquez.

Vasquez cannot defend, like at all. He's one of the worst defensive players in the league, his own offense is inefficient, he's 27 and a RFA that we'd have to sign long term + probably give up assets for. You'd have to be insane to want him, he had some nice assist numbers a couple years ago. Not since. Just no man, no.

[Baddy Chuck]

Then you and I greatly differ on what's a good deal or not based on the current market in 2014.

I think you're just being blinded by a player that you like. That contract would get as many laughs around the league as the Jodie Meeks to Detroit deal. It would be a blatant overpay.

[Serge28]

I would of rather signed a Livingston than get Vasquez, Livingston is a better all around player.

And I'm tired of having all-around players at point guard. We've got Giannis and Parker now. I want a point guard who won't care about his own PPGZ (Lin this season and Bledsoe in general) and instead get his best players the rock in spots they can succeed. That's why I want Vasquez.

Vasquez cannot defend, like at all. He's one of the worst defensive players in the league, his own offense is inefficient, he's 27 and a RFA that we'd have to sign long term + probably give up assets for. You'd have to be insane to want him, he had some nice assist numbers a couple years ago. Not since. Just no man, no.

A lot of factual mistakes and exaggerations in your post. One of the worst defensive players in the league? Where is the evidence for that? Inefficient? He's great from 3 and the line. His overall FG% is hurt by the number of 3s he takes. He led the league in total assists 2 seasons ago. Last year he didn't do as well with less minutes. His assist % is great too. We'd have to give up assets for him? No, that's not true at all. If we sign him to 3 year/$18-$21 million would Toronto match? Maybe. Am I insane for wanting him? Hard to say, so many posters love to throw out big words when they disagree with you.

[Baddy Chuck]

This is way too reminiscent of the Drew Gooden appreciation thread.

[TheWig]

Well, you crafted a post worthy of that response.


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Not really. I've provided a TON of backing and reasoning throughout this thread for my opinion. You provided nothing of use. Keep being a clown I guess.

There have been oodles of evidence posted in this thread as to why that number is absurd for Vazquez. I like Vazquez, I've said as much. But for the number you're throwing out there? That's just lunacy.

That sad Jaguars fan agrees.


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[Serge28]

Then you and I greatly differ on what's a good deal or not based on the current market in 2014.

I think you're just being blinded by a player that you like. That contract would get as many laughs around the league as the Jodie Meeks to Detroit deal. It would be a blatant overpay.

Once again I disagree. It's certainly possible that I'm being influenced in my opinion by my like for pass-first point guards. I'm very well may be biased, but then again, we're all biased in one way or another. Meeks is a one trick pony. Vasquez would run the team and enjoy a tremendous amount more of responsibility. I don't really see the validity in this comparison.

[Buckrageous]

Bledsoe / Wolters
Knight / Mayo
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Inglis / Ersan
Sanders / Henson / Zaza

Thats a team I get get behind. They should move Ersan and Mayo if anyone wants him. Use next years draft and/or FA to upgrade at shooting guard and they are well on their way to a young winner.

[CaptainAwesome]

Bledsoe - hell yes

Lin - maybe with additional assets/them taking back Mayo

Vasquez - WTF WHY GOD WHY HE SUCKS

They can't take back Mayo, the whole point is to dump Lin without taking on any salary.

then we need something nice coming along with Lin

i.e. New Orlean's first that HOU acquired. And maybe one of those Draft-N-Stash goodies.

[trwi7]

Bledsoe I'd be fine with. Lin I would also be fine with because I'm guessing we would get a young asset or two for giving the Rockets the cap space they need for LeBron or Melo. Vasquez I would not be fine with as he takes time away from Wolters and improves us to not be anything more than a late lotto team which just hurts us in the future.