Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Bernman]

Neither of these 3 aren't coming to Milwaukee IMO.

Lin will go to 76ers

Bledsoe is staying

Vasquez isn't worth bringing in...

See you in the lottery next year.

So two are coming to Milwaukee then. Hopefully it'll be Bledsoe and Lin + assets.

[cinematographer]

Bledsoe is so far beyond Knight as a player I think it's crazy to even compare them.

any stats to back up that argument?

Eric Bledose:
oRPM: -0.10
dRPM: +3.96

xRAPMo: -0.48
xRAPMd: +2.99

oAPM: -.06
dAPM: +4.85
Total: +4.79
StdErr: 2.93

Brandon Knight:
oRPM -1.20
dRPM -1.98

xRAPMo: +0.72
xRAPMd: -1.93

oAPM: -2.78
dAPM: -.57
Total: -3.35
StdErr: 2.80

[RiotPunch]

Neither of these 3 aren't coming to Milwaukee IMO.

[Bernman]

Knight: .523 TS% / .473 eFG / 0.4 Defensive Win Shares / 0.055 WS/48
Bledsoe: .578 TS% / .522 eFG / 1.6 DWS / 0.140 WS/48

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

I posted this earlier to compare the 2 seasons the players just had.

Yeah, so 8-9 wins per year projected (with normal starter minutes) to be added by Bledsoe according to win shares, 3-4 for Knight. I'd say that's a difference.

[Ayt]

And I'm tired of having all-around players at point guard. We've got Giannis and Parker now. I want a point guard who won't care about his own PPGZ (Lin this season and Bledsoe in general) and instead get his best players the rock in spots they can succeed. That's why I want Vasquez.

Vasquez cannot defend, like at all. He's one of the worst defensive players in the league, his own offense is inefficient, he's 27 and a RFA that we'd have to sign long term + probably give up assets for. You'd have to be insane to want him, he had some nice assist numbers a couple years ago. Not since. Just no man, no.

A lot of factual mistakes and exaggerations in your post. One of the worst defensive players in the league? Where is the evidence for that? Inefficient? He's great from 3 and the line. His overall FG% is hurt by the number of 3s he takes. He led the league in total assists 2 seasons ago. Last year he didn't do as well with less minutes. His assist % is great too. We'd have to give up assets for him? No, that's not true at all. If we sign him to 3 year/$18-$21 million would Toronto match? Maybe. Am I insane for wanting him? Hard to say, so many posters love to throw out big words when they disagree with you.

Last year was the first year he actually shot the ball really well from three. He can't defend anyone (seriously, he's awful). He's not the kind of PG who is dangerous on the break. In the half court, he does most of his damage hanging around on the perimeter rather than making anything happen with an aggressive drive which reduces his usefulness by quite a bit.

Wolters could very well be better than Vasquez this season and he costs peanuts. Blowing 7M per year for 3 years on a guy like Vasquez would be ridiculous for this team.

[KidA24]

Bledsoe is so far beyond Knight as a player I think it's crazy to even compare them.

any stats to back up that argument?

Well, you can start here:
http://stats.nba.com/playerVsPlayer.html?PlayerID=202339&VsPlayerID=202688&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame

Then we can go here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=knighbr03&y1=2014&p2=bledser01&y2=2014

And then you can watch Bledsoe run the pick and roll:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06gtSjmFy8[/youtube]

Note: Also, Bogut might actually murder David Lee this year.

[Nycballa2k]

I see no point in getting Vasquez when Wolters can be a very similar player.

[bizarro]

I thought Vasquez resigning w/ Toronto is nearly a 'done deal'. Let's just hope that remains the case. I agree w/ others: No to Vasquez...he makes sense in Toronto. He makes zero sense in Milwaukee.

[CaptainAwesome]

Bledsoe is so far beyond Knight as a player I think it's crazy to even compare them.

any stats to back up that argument?

Eric Bledose:
oRPM: -0.10
dRPM: +3.96

xRAPMo: -0.48
xRAPMd: +2.99

oAPM: -.06
dAPM: +4.85
Total: +4.79
StdErr: 2.93

Brandon Knight:
oRPM -1.20
dRPM -1.98

xRAPMo: +0.72
xRAPMd: -1.93

oAPM: -2.78
dAPM: -.57
Total: -3.35
StdErr: 2.80

[Ayt]

I dont see us realistically adding a better PG than Bledsoe in FA or the draft.

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I'd take Mudiay over Bledsoe, but we would probably have to land top 3 next year to get him, maybe even the #1 overall pick. If we can get Bledsoe without giving up a future 1st, it's a home run though.

Mudiay is gigantically over hyped. There is basically no way he is going to be considered an NBA PG prospect (that should take about a month or so of NCAA ball before nearly everyone agrees). He's 6-5 and very athletic with a good handle, but he doesn't have PG instincts at all. He looks to make plays for others, but it really doesn't come naturally for him. He also can't shoot and turns the ball over too much. It is extremely easy for guys like him to dominate HS players despite fairly major flaws.

He's exactly the kind of guy that gets seriously hyped in HS because it is easy to overlook his flaws while he's physically dominating inferior competition who doesn't immediately translate all that well to the NCAA.

That isn't to say he doesn't have major upside, but he's very much a work in progress. He deserves a very high ranking as an NCAA prospect because his upside is huge and he should be able to play at a fairly high level right away even with his limitations, but in terms of being an NBA prospect he has a ton of work to do.

[th87]

So why are we okay with destroying the tank?

[slappyg]

So why are we okay with destroying the tank?

+1

[xTitan]

Neither of these 3 aren't coming to Milwaukee IMO.

Lin will go to 76ers

Bledsoe is staying

Vasquez isn't worth bringing in...

See you in the lottery next year.

This is probably what will happen

[HaroldinGMinor]

So why are we okay with destroying the tank?

+1

Well with Bledsoe you more or less are getting the guy you would have to tank for. At some point we want the Bucks to win.

[birlik54]

So why are we okay with destroying the tank?

I would argue that getting a player like Bledsoe in here would do more to accelerate the rebuilding process than just praying for a top pick again. At some point with this rebuild the Bucks are going to need to be a little proactive in terms of getting high-level attainable talent as well as assets like draft picks.

It's going to be pretty difficult to rebuild if you don't pull the trigger on moves that put you in a good position going forward, and I think having Bledsoe in the backcourt would do more for the team than hoping for a top pick again. It's not like he's an older, tank-destroying wing player like they've gone after in the past either. He's still relatively young, is a good defender, and would probably be a pretty good fit.

I say make a run at him if they can. Now I doubt there's any scenario where Phoenix doesn't match, but it can't hurt to try.

[Bernman]

So why are we okay with destroying the tank?

Because we'd think we'd have enough going forward between Jabari, Giannis, Eric, Larry, and a few other youngsters with lesser chance to turn into core players but could develop that way like Middleton, Inglis, Henson trade equivalent, Wolters, etc. That's not to mention we still might be able to pull off that Lin + assets deal in addition to acquiring Bledsoe.

I'll pose this question back to you and that is: why do you prefer losing when you probably have enough to win a lot more than you lose going forward and keep the team in Milwaukee as a result? I think that's the way new ownership is looking at things right now. Maybe they'd handle this situation differently in the future under normal circumstances, but that's not what we have right now. And even if this was always their tendency, it'd still be different from the old regime because at least they'd be plunging into fa once they had an adequate young core already in place and for fa's who were also young and promising like Bledsoe is. The early signs are it is indeed a new, much better era in Bucksketball, although they are a long way from proving it.

[Chuck Diesel]

Five cheaper alternatives to Vasquez who make sense in Milwaukee- 1. Shelvin Mack 2. Thomas Heurtel 3. Brian Roberts 4. Mantas Kalnietis 5. Garrett Temple

[AussieBuck]

One more plus to potentially signing Vazquez - he's a 6'6" 211 lbs point guard. Would certainly make it palatable to start Knight at SG without putting yourself at a mismatch disadvantage.

Drew Gooden of PGs. There isn't a player in the league he guard with all of his 6'6.

[AussieBuck]

Bledsoe is so far beyond Knight as a player I think it's crazy to even compare them.

any stats to back up that argument?

Well, you can start here:
http://stats.nba.com/playerVsPlayer.html?PlayerID=202339&VsPlayerID=202688&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame

Then we can go here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=knighbr03&y1=2014&p2=bledser01&y2=2014

And then you can watch Bledsoe run the pick and roll:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06gtSjmFy8[/youtube]

Note: Also, Bogut might actually murder David Lee this year.

Not going to lie I got caught watching Lee flail around and barely noticed what Bledsoe was doing.

[Bernman]

Five cheaper alternatives to Vasquez who make sense in Milwaukee- 1. Shelvin Mack 2. Thomas Heurtel 3. Brian Roberts 4. Mantas Kalnietis 5. Garrett Temple

Man, if we were awarded a d-league team in Green Bay/Madison, I'd bet your head would explode.

Cinematographer's too if we drafted Kristaps Porzingis next year.