MeloDrama Part V

[Starksfor3]

Ok if the lawyer thing is BS then I'm back on the "Leon Rose is a *** **** mofo trying to pull some ****" train.

[HighRyzer83]

I have no idea if my theory is accurate -- sometimes the lines between advocacy or presenting a possibility blur, and Melo could genuinely be torn about his options. But the line from Wojina about how Melo is still bothered by Phil wanting him to take less ... especially from Wojina ... is ... curious.

Lakers can offer the most besides us, so there's that, but how perfect is it to have the Lakers to use in a negotiation with Phil

I'm pretty sure we're offering a 5th year.

It does seem like a last second ploy by Leon Rose. However, I am concerned about that damn Chicago lawyer nonsense.

What Chicago lawyer?

former time traveler, he found a new profession

[BeagleBoss]

My sources tell me that Melo's lawyer's name is Vincent LaGuardia Gambini.

[god shammgod]

Guys, I got a friend who has source that works in a company that manufacturers calendars, and he tells me that yesterday was what they call a "national holiday," and today and tomorrow are what's referred to in the biz as "the weekend."

On its own, no big deal right? But let's put it together with everything else we know about this situation.

1.) Carmelo Anthony, his agents, and the executives of all the teams involved as personal lives, and families.

2.) Melo very conspicuously began visiting teams on Tuesday and finished on a Thursday.

3.) There were early reports that he was going to take "the weekend" to think about it.

I know, pretty crazy, but can you see where this is all going?

no. that's why i have a computer, so i don't have to think. the computer thinks for me. shouldn't you know that ? i think i'm getting a mac.

[z0zin]

Just read the lawyer thing and IMHO it's lame. Melo's lawyers don't need to be in Chicago for him to sign a contract, and if it was there at an agreement already, somebody like Wojina would have it. There wouldn't be "Lakers are in the game" quotes. NBA contracts are uniform. They're not long contracts that lawyers need to sift through or fly to Chicago to review and sign.

This is objectively false, although I agree that the rumor is lame.

[cubanKnick]

Guy's if he doesn't want to be here let him go, I doubt anyone here would beg his ex back when she's been trying to find better, you let that chick go and move on, the fact that Melo after making us gut our team and yes he made us gut it is fooling around with other teams is insultin, especially when you have a guy with how many rings in charge?

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Where's the Talking Clam and incarcerated bob when you need them.

[suicidedeuce]

Guy's if he doesn't want to be here let him go

Do you mean we should cancel the intervention?

But I already bought the coffee...

[DE FENSE]

Sorry I just don't see Melo leaving Phil Jackson. I just don't see it.

And if he does, then he's just a straight up moron and I'll pack his bags for him.

[kosmovitelli]

After Friday's meeting with Knicks president Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher, sources told Yahoo Sports that Anthony had become more comfortable with Jackson's plan to use him as the cornerstone to lure free agent stars into salary cap space in 2015 and '16. One thing that still bothers Anthony is Jackson had wanted him to take less than a max contract, sources told Yahoo Sports.

You guys are really going crazy about this Melodrama part V ! LOL

Anyway, about this snippet, it was predictable. At the time, I said it was a mistake and it looked like Phil didn't really want him back and he was sending the wrong message when he said that publicly.

Anyway, the Bulls reportedly offered him a contract starting at $15 million and the man who was supposed to be traded to create enough cap room to sign him (Taj Gibson) was present at the meeting in Chicago ! If Melo thinks he's worth the max then he should be offended he was only offered !15 million by the Bulls ?

Lots of rumors, smokescreens, etc. The only thing that looks legit right now is the fact the Lakers offered Melo the max. I don't doubt that. It was even expected. I would be surprised if they didn't. The Lakers were a lottery team like the Knicks, they have two future hall of fame players (Kobe and Nash) but both are old and injured, they have no head coach and Kobe's massive contract will remain on the books for the next two seasons. The way I see it, in terms of basketball and winning, the Lakers can't offer a better alternative than the Knicks : it's the same speech (ok we ain't good now but we can reload with free agency 2015 and 2016). Same pitch but without Phil Jackson, without a head coach. The only reason to sign with the Lakers would be money and the wife. Maybe his wife wants to live in LA and Melo thinks he can get more lucrative endorsement deals in LA, more marketing opportunities in LA.

The Lakers wants to sign Melo but we don't know if Melo's interest is legit or if it's tactical move. As someone said, it's surpsrising at least three different sources (Bill Simmons, Ramona Shelbourne, etc.) tweeted about Melo strongly considering the Lakers within a few minutes. They probably had the same source and that source could be Melo's agent, Leon Rose or someone in the Lakers front office. The way I see things, either Leon Rose contacted the Lakers today (or the Lakers initiated the call) and he told them Melo didn't make a final decision yet but the Lakers were the frontrunners and Melo's favorite destination at this point. Then this information was quickly leaked.

If Melo's camp playing chess then :
- either he wants to force a sign and trade to Chicago or Houston
- he wants to push Phil Jackson to offer the max or push Jimmy Dolan to intervene and offer the max

It was reported Phil Jackson tendered a max offer to Melo but we don't know if it's true. It could be bogus.

If you're a fan of conspiracy theories, maybe Phil doesn't want Melo back, he wants to sign and trade him to Chicago but in order to save face, he needed the Lakers as an excuse to claim he had to sign and trade Melo to Chicago for crap and draft picks because Melo would have signed with the Lakers and we would have received nothing in return.

Anyway, at this point, Phil should just call Melo's bluff and offer the max (or a near max offer). If Melo says he wants to sign with the Lakers then it's over. Phil can call Jeannie Buss and his brother and I guess they may be kind enough to accept a sign and trade. Just like Donnie Walsh did with the Suns. Instead of signing Amare as a free agent, it was a sign and trade in order to give the Suns a big trade exception allowing them to make some trades to improve their team and move on. They used that TPE to acquire Hakim Warrick and other players. A TPE is a valuable asset. I'd rather have that than Chicago's crappy package. That TPE could be a valuable chip at the trade deadline.

So I'd say call the bluff and negotiate a sign and trade for a TPE witH Buss if Melo really wants to sign the Lakers.

If we offered the max and Melo still wanted to leave the team then be it. If he didn't believe in Phil Jackson's plan and Derek Fisher then it's best to rebuild and move on. No good reason to accept Booze and Chicago's crap. If Melo wants the Bulls then they will need to pay the price or Melo will have to sign with the Lakers. It's as simple as that. No need to panic. We were a lottery team this year so it's not like losing Melo will set us back that much. It would be a blow considering the price the Knicks paid to acquire him and the fact he's an asset that should have returned assets in a trade (if he had been traded earlier) but it's not the end for the Knicks if he leaves the team. No need to panic and pull the trigger on an ill-advised and desperate trade just to get something in return for him.

[Bob Ross]

Lawyers in their offices on a Sunday after a national holiday? LOL.

I can only imagine what a superstars law team gets paid. They'd probably miss every calender holiday if they needed to for their rich clients

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Many entertainment attorneys work on retainer or take a firm percentage to amortize bulk hours. I am pretty sure the NBA has a cap on this, but legally agents are allowed to negotiate contracts on behalf of their clients, so why would he need an attorney to sign a max deal? The number is the number. In Hollywood, there are things such as likeness, billing, paid ads, participation, transportation, per diem, etc...

Also, CAA has an in-house legal team (business affairs) that would be able to go over any deal points with any team quite easily, but again it's just a standard athlete contract, there's nothing really to discuss other than are you giving him MAX?

Sorry, I just saw that posted and had a good laugh to myself.

Well, all I'm gonna say is you know more about it than me then.

[god shammgod]

Guy's if he doesn't want to be here let him go, I doubt anyone here would beg his ex back when she's been trying to find better, you let that chick go and move on, the fact that Melo after making us gut our team and yes he made us gut it is fooling around with other teams is insultin, especially when you have a guy with how many rings in charge?

i'm starting to think you're upset about this

[K_ick_God]

Just read the lawyer thing and IMHO it's lame. Melo's lawyers don't need to be in Chicago for him to sign a contract, and if it was there at an agreement already, somebody like Wojina would have it. There wouldn't be "Lakers are in the game" quotes. NBA contracts are uniform. They're not long contracts that lawyers need to sift through or fly to Chicago to review and sign.

This is objectively false, although I agree that the rumor is lame.

It's objectively 100% accurate. NBA contracts are called Uniform Player Contracts. They are negotiated in the CBA and are 80% the same in all respects. Really one of the only serious variations are incentives, which Max contracts rarely have (by definition).

Melo won't have any incentives. Player contracts are not long and they are, by the CBA, uniform.

Melo's team of lawyers wouldn't need to arrive in Chicago to review it, and even if it was long and complicated, there's this invention called email and fax.

[vallen]

Lebron is not coming to the knicks without another star or two in place for any reason at any point in his career

i know hes not coming..

but he could have his pick of the 2015 class on a team with the capspace...and that is something. i understand the common fan cant see past the current off-season, but pros look ahead. maybe he wants to play with Aldridge or Love on a team that can get him, and a system in place.... he could have his pick of the liter...

no we are looking ahead. but people with common sense realize that if Melo isnt here....none of those guys are coming here. Yes lets just clear cap space so we can strike out again like in 2010. Marquee free agents dont just up and sign with another franchise without reason. The Heat are an anomaly and I somehow doubt Lebron is going to conspire with big name free agents AGAIN to team up in ANOTHER city to win rings. It

im not sure FA are going to line up to play with Melo anyway...some might prefer the money over playing with Melo but w/e..

and of course he wont conspire to win championships anymore...of course...

[Brooklyn_Yards]

Guy's if he doesn't want to be here let him go

Do you mean we should cancel the intervention?

But I already bought the coffee...

Bring the coffee, I already have my ugly cry waiting.

[Mr Rabbit]

My sources tell me that Melo's lawyer's name is Vincent LaGuardia Gambini.

Melo's lawyer in response to the report by Woj.

[WinCity]

humorous note:

Booz took a selfie wearing a Yanks hat today lol

[Starksfor3]

kosmo has spoken. Lock up the thread and the board until a decision has been made.

[CoolKids]

i know hes not coming..

but he could have his pick of the 2015 class on a team with the capspace...and that is something. i understand the common fan cant see past the current off-season, but pros look ahead. maybe he wants to play with Aldridge or Love on a team that can get him, and a system in place.... he could have his pick of the liter...

no we are looking ahead. but people with common sense realize that if Melo isnt here....none of those guys are coming here. Yes lets just clear cap space so we can strike out again like in 2010. Marquee free agents dont just up and sign with another franchise without reason. The Heat are an anomaly and I somehow doubt Lebron is going to conspire with big name free agents AGAIN to team up in ANOTHER city to win rings. It

im not sure FA are going to line up to play with Melo anyway...some might prefer the money over playing with Melo but w/e..

and of course he wont conspire to win championships anymore...of course...

what I mean is hes not gonna make a secret pact with lamarcus aldridge and Kevin Durant to come to the knicks like he did with wade and bosh.

[god shammgod]

kosmo has spoken. Lock up the thread and the board until a decision has been made.

we need a mod to have a breakdown. "i'm done with this sh*t. i'm locking all threads"