Melo 17: Death or Glory

BigUps · Post #821 » by **BigUps** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:58 am

Thanks evil and MNM.

BullRosed · Post #822 » by **BullRosed** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:58 am

I wish I can freeze my self and set up a lazer like Walter white did the gun in the trunk. And when melo makes his choice this lazer un freeze me and I order my melo jersey

HINrichPolice · Post #823 » by **HINrichPolice** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:58 am

BrooklynBulls wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:The rights can be traded yes, but this doesn't help ramp up salary, and this is something that we'd need in an S&T, particularly if Boozer isn't part of it.

I don't agree. Isn't that why the Deeks article is so important? Sham is saying we can amnesty Boozer while still being able to get Melo at a decent (from Melo's POV) salary via S&T. And by "decent", I mean more than 17M and less than the Lakers max offer, so 20'ish million?

17.4 million. And my opinion is that this simply isn't near enough.

Are you sure? How do you get 17.4? Now I have to go dig up that thread...

red222 · Post #824 » by **red222** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:58 am

bullslas wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:l

Utah is not matching a max for him.

DerrickRose025 · Post #825 » by **DerrickRose025** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:58 am

@TheBullsZone: Rumors of Carmelo not wanting to come this team or that has been said for every team he met with. Except NY. Coincidence?

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bullslas · Post #826 » by **bullslas** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:59 am

I've been wrong before. I was wrong about Rose comeback. I was told by someone he was coming back and Rose had told everyone at Adidas he was coming but BJ and crew stopped it.

As far as this time, my source is in Utah.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #827 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:59 am

SSSFreak wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
SSSFreak wrote:Strange thing it that the Knicks would be worse of with a full max Melo over 5 years, rather than starting the rebuild now. They'll be like "YESSSSS we got MELO SUCKAZZ!... ummm we screwed."

No one wins if Melo goes to the Knicks for the max. Not them, not us

We really would neither win nor lose. We would still be in a far better position than NY.

MnM24 wrote:Bulls won't lose if Melo takes the Max to the Knicks... They still don't have talent and that weak team isn't a threat to the Bulls with a healthy Rose.

Sure we do. Obviously we are in a better position than other teams but that doesnt mean we didnt lose out on him. Melo is a game changer.

BigUps · Post #828 » by **BigUps** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:59 am

Evil_Headband wrote:
BigUps wrote:I went to a movie, so I've been away for 2 hours. Can someone do me a 'solid' and give the readers digest of what happened? A trade with Utah?

Bulls are getting Melo and Gasol, Utah is being used as a salary dumping place, Melos lawyers will be at a Chicago law firm tomorrow.

Either all that or nothing has actually happened.

Who said his lawyers are coming tomorrow?

ChicagoStrong · Post #829 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:59 am

MnM24 wrote:
BullRosed wrote:
Shill4Tyrus24 wrote:

Hmmmm not sure I buy that three-team deal involving CHI-UTA-NYK.

Who is this bullslaS he seems to be pretty sure and confident has he been right in the past ? Is he a creditable poster I hope so ? Anybody know ?

He said there was a deal yesterday going down and a deal went down yesterday... We can only hope...

What deal?

JohnnyTapwater · Post #830 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:00 am

The salary structure of the NBA makes older players with more experience much more expensive. However, as their skill may be close to declining, they are a very risky prospect. They get better as they reach their 25th birthday. They peak around 25-26. After that they slowly decline as they approach 30 and after 32 they rapidly decline.

-17% decline in WP48 (wins produced per 48) 30 to 31
-22% 31 to 32
-35% 32 to 33
-57% 33 to 34
-146% 34 to 35

One could argue as long as we get 1 championship out of it, it's all worth it. I agree.

Again...My all encompassing point is ...

Whether we get Melo or not, Let's look at this as a win/win.

giantsx6 · Post #831 » by **giantsx6** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:00 am

Why the hell would Melo need his lawyers to be in Chicago, such nonsense.

MalikJoakim24 · Post #832 » by **MalikJoakim24** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:00 am

AJB wrote:
MnM24 wrote:
BullRosed wrote:

Who is this bullslaS he seems to be pretty sure and confident has he been right in the past ? Is he a creditable poster I hope so ? Anybody know ?

He said there was a deal yesterday going down and a deal went down yesterday... We can only hope...

What deal?

Didnt get a notification from you but BullsLas said to expect a deal yesterday and that it wouldn't include Taj and a deal went down yesterday (novak to jazz)

Post #833 » by **RedBulls23** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:01 am

erlim wrote:Pat Riley is in Chicago. Melo's attorney. Somethings a brewin?

I thought Riley was here to talk to Deng.

MalikJoakim24 · Post #834 » by **MalikJoakim24** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:01 am

BigUps wrote:Thanks evil and MNM.

No problemo :thumbsup:

MoneyMitch · Post #835 » by **MoneyMitch** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:01 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:
MoneyMitch wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:I'm gonna post a sad GIF on the Knicks board and see if I can escape unscathed. (I swear I won't engage. I won't "troll." Just a basketball fan that is feeling down about the Knicks.) I want to feel their sorrow; cry their tears..and I can't get the full effect without getting my hands dirty.

I'm gonna get off like that time Dennis pretended to be Brian Lefevre.

See you tomorrow

I'm not doing it man, ****. I had a quick lapse of judgement and remembered how quick of a trigger finger you said your mods have. I'll just stay with the excitement here haha.

Yup they're motto right now is give me a reason

Bulls69 · Post #836 » by **Bulls69** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:01 am

Dez wrote:Read the Lakers thread about the S&T for Gasol, they reckon they'll get Butler and a pick to go with Boozers expiring contract for Gasol and want us to take Nash as well.

I had a massive lol at that.

I live here in LA most Lakers fans are bandwagon fans as long as they are winning they support but this past season was priceless I laugh my butt off.

Evil_Headband · Post #837 » by **Evil_Headband** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:02 am

BigUps wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:
BigUps wrote:I went to a movie, so I've been away for 2 hours. Can someone do me a 'solid' and give the readers digest of what happened? A trade with Utah?

Bulls are getting Melo and Gasol, Utah is being used as a salary dumping place, Melos lawyers will be at a Chicago law firm tomorrow.

Either all that or nothing has actually happened.

Who said his lawyers are coming tomorrow?

This thread. Around page 10.

Axl Rose · Post #838 » by **Axl Rose** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:02 am

DerrickRose025 wrote:@TheBullsZone: Rumors of Carmelo not wanting to come this team or that has been said for every team he met with. Except NY. Coincidence?

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what?

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #839 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:02 am

AirGordon7 wrote:
DerrickRose025 wrote:@TheBullsZone: Rumors of Carmelo not wanting to come this team or that has been said for every team he met with. Except NY. Coincidence?

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what?

Lol yeah what does that even mean

HINrichPolice · Post #840 » by **HINrichPolice** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:02 am

aaqubed wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:The rights can be traded yes, but this doesn't help ramp up salary, and this is something that we'd need in an S&T, particularly if Boozer isn't part of it.

I don't agree. Isn't that why the Deeks article is so important? Sham is saying we can amnesty Boozer while still being able to get Melo at a decent (from Melo's POV) salary via S&T. And by "decent", I mean more than 17M and less than the Lakers max offer, so 20'ish million?

Sidenote: Mark Deeks also vaguely mentioned something on twitter about the possibility of using Kirk Hinrich in a S&T. I don't know how that factors in, but maybe that means we can use Kirk to ramp up the salary as you say to give Melo even more, perhaps the same amount as the LA max?

Deeks' article didn't really say anything new. If we amnesty Boozer and then do a S&T using cap space, we cannot be more than $100k over the cap after the S&T. I don't see of any way for that to work without us giving up Taj Gibson in the S&T.

The salary amount we can offer Camelo via S&T is roughly based on the following I thought:

Capspace + Outgoing Salaries - 100k

EDIT: removed the part about 120%