Dante Exum. Biggest bust potential among top picks ?

basketballRob · Post #41 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:18 am

76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Any truth that Dipo and Exum played one on one?

As for sixers, I don't know the sentiment on Exum. But the reports are the Sixers are high on Exum.

I didn't hear about Dipo and Exum. Only that the workout didn't go well.

Ok thanks.

Do you know if MCW is playing in the SL? I'd like to see how Payton matches up with him. We play Saturday against 76ers.

76ciology · Post #42 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:20 am

basketballRob wrote:
76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
I didn't hear about Dipo and Exum. Only that the workout didn't go well.

Ok thanks.

Do you know if MCW is playing in the SL? I'd like to see how Payton matches up with him. We play Saturday against 76ers.

I know he isn't. If I'm not mistaken he has some shoulder problem. How about dipo? Noel is playing, FWIW.

basketballRob · Post #43 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:22 am

76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Ok thanks.

Do you know if MCW is playing in the SL? I'd like to see how Payton matches up with him. We play Saturday against 76ers.

I know he isn't. If I'm not mistaken he has some shoulder problem. How about dipo? Noel is playing, FWIW.

Dipo is playing. I'm looking forward to seeing how Noel's game translates to the NBA.

j-ragg · Post #44 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:49 pm

Snotbubbles wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:To me it seems likely the Magic not taking Exum is related to the Payton pick. Possibly they had Payton as BPA at 4 but knew they could get him later.

And the Sixers played them.

The Magic will really miss that crazy heavily protected pick that wasn't even theirs.

76ciology · Post #45 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:53 pm

j-ragg wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:To me it seems likely the Magic not taking Exum is related to the Payton pick. Possibly they had Payton as BPA at 4 but knew they could get him later.

And the Sixers played them.

The Magic will really miss that crazy heavily protected pick that wasn't even theirs.

If I'm not mistaken, it's just top 11 protected by 2017. Top 8th by 2018. It's just 2014. Three years from now and considering how bad the east is now and in the near future, I doubt sixers would still be that bad with a franchise player in Embiid, a potential DPOY player Noel, 2013 ROY MCW, Saric, Wroten, Thad? and 2015-2016 lotto pick and their FA signing.

Based on my educated guess, I really think it's a likely first rounder for the magic by 2017.

But then.. Saric is just a throw-in to the Jrue for Noel deal.

HeartBreakKid · Post #46 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:12 am

j-ragg wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:To me it seems likely the Magic not taking Exum is related to the Payton pick. Possibly they had Payton as BPA at 4 but knew they could get him later.

And the Sixers played them.

The Magic will really miss that crazy heavily protected pick that wasn't even theirs.

It was theirs...

The argument that they "gave it back" is really silly. The Magic had to give up something in order to possess Philly's pick, it's not like they got the rights to that pick for free.

They still gave up a potential lotto first rounder to trade 1 spot up in the draft. Philly got the better end of the deal by far.

HeartBreakKid · Post #47 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 6:15 am

Dr Positivity wrote:To me it seems likely the Magic not taking Exum is related to the Payton pick. Possibly they had Payton as BPA at 4 but knew they could get him later.

Yeah, I knew they were going for Payton as soon as they skipped out on Exum. They either thought Payton was as good as Exum or flat out better, and realized they could get him later in the draft.

tranjSAIC · Post #48 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:07 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
Snotbubbles wrote:
And the Sixers played them.

How so?

The Sixers have Orlando's 2017 draft pick (Saric for Payton)

Actually, its us RETURNING the pick back to the 6ers from the Howard deal. Also with the amount of protection on that pick, it would most likely turn into 2nd round picks.

tranjSAIC · Post #49 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:09 pm

76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
76ciology wrote:All I can say is this.. Two teams who are high on him, sixers and the Magic, passed up on him. And it's not like they have an issue that he is raw and would take some time to develop and all that.

You don't know if they were really high on him. Teams lie leading up to the draft.

I heard Exum's workout with your team didn't went well. What's the scoop?

Oladipo played Exum one vs one, and the word is Exum looked completely over matched against Oladipo.

tranjSAIC · Post #50 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 3:10 pm

76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
76ciology wrote:
I heard Exum's workout with your team didn't went well. What's the scoop?

Scott Anez who is the voice of the Magic and employed by them said he was told that his workout was "horrible". Teams lie leading up to the draft in hopes that a team in front of them will take a player they don't like.

Any truth that Dipo and Exum played one on one?

As for sixers, I don't know the sentiment on Exum. But the reports are the Sixers are high on Exum.

I heard from my boss at work whose connected with a ton of people around town that it's true. He has a friend who works in the Magic, not sure who the source is though.

HeartBreakKid · Post #51 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:53 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:How so?

The Sixers have Orlando's 2017 draft pick (Saric for Payton)

Actually, its us RETURNING the pick back to the 6ers from the Howard deal. Also with the amount of protection on that pick, it would most likely turn into 2nd round picks.

You do realize that regardless of whether it is "returning" the pick or not, it is still them giving up a first round pick, and no that pick would not have most likely turned into a second rounder.

j_n · Post #52 » by **j_n** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:19 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:You do realize that regardless of whether it is "returning" the pick or not, it is still them giving up a first round pick, and no that pick would not have most likely turned into a second rounder.

Most likely it would have been 2 seconds or a mid-late first, Philly have proven that they arent shy about tanking, if they felt they cant make the playoffs they would just tank to make sure the pick becomes 2 second, they wouldnt have let themselves lose a lottery pick to get some meaningless wins.

And yeah, lets see how Payton, Saric and the pick turns out before we declare winners, most pepole declared the Lakers, Nuggets and Sixers winners after the Dwight trade and we saw how that turned out.

LloydFree · Post #53 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:31 am

tranjSAIC wrote:
76ciology wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
You don't know if they were really high on him. Teams lie leading up to the draft.

I heard Exum's workout with your team didn't went well. What's the scoop?

Oladipo played Exum one vs one, and the word is Exum looked completely over matched against Oladipo.

I'm not surprised. Orlando is taking a lot of crisp for passing on Exum, but I think taking the big man there made more sense.

Reckless · Post #54 » by **Reckless** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:54 am

I thought it was good for both Utah and Orlando. Utah already had Favors, Magic have Oladipo.

Exum can play alongside Burke, Gordon play alongside Vucevic.

76ciology · Post #55 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 3:09 pm

j_n wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:You do realize that regardless of whether it is "returning" the pick or not, it is still them giving up a first round pick, and no that pick would not have most likely turned into a second rounder.

Most likely it would have been 2 seconds or a mid-late first, Philly have proven that they arent shy about tanking, if they felt they cant make the playoffs they would just tank to make sure the pick becomes 2 second, they wouldnt have let themselves lose a lottery pick to get some meaningless wins.

And yeah, lets see how Payton, Saric and the pick turns out before we declare winners, most pepole declared the Lakers, Nuggets and Sixers winners after the Dwight trade and we saw how that turned out.

2017 is 3 years from now.

That means 2015 and 2016 lotto. So with that said..

Embiid
Noel
MCW
Saric
2015 lotto
2016 lotto
Wroten?
Thad?
Max FA

Looking at how talented the Sixers should be by then to almost have two teams of very very talented players and looking how weak the east is. Nothing's definite. But it's most likely a 1st rounder. And come on.. If it's most likely a 1st that's why Hinkie did the trade. HE KNOWS what's the most likely progress by then.

D J C · Post #56 » by **D J C** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 5:51 pm

76ciology wrote:
j_n wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:You do realize that regardless of whether it is "returning" the pick or not, it is still them giving up a first round pick, and no that pick would not have most likely turned into a second rounder.

Most likely it would have been 2 seconds or a mid-late first, Philly have proven that they arent shy about tanking, if they felt they cant make the playoffs they would just tank to make sure the pick becomes 2 second, they wouldnt have let themselves lose a lottery pick to get some meaningless wins.

And yeah, lets see how Payton, Saric and the pick turns out before we declare winners, most pepole declared the Lakers, Nuggets and Sixers winners after the Dwight trade and we saw how that turned out.

2017 is 3 years from now.

That means 2015 and 2016 lotto. So with that said..

Embiid
Noel
MCW
Saric
2015 lotto
2016 lotto
Wroten?
Thad?
Max FA

Looking at how talented the Sixers should be by then to almost have two teams of very very talented players and looking how weak the east is. Nothing's definite. But it's most likely a 1st rounder. And come on.. If it's most likely a 1st that's why Hinkie did the trade. HE KNOWS what's the most likely progress by then.

Most of Hinkies picks seem like they are boom or bust.. that team will either be bottom 10 in the league or a top 3 seed in the East. A pick that looks best case to be in the early 20s in a draft 3 years away is not that huge of deal. If this draft doesn't work out for Henny, he'll likely be gone before that pick is even made.

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Knighthonor · Post #57 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 10:09 pm

Why is there no videos of Exum playing before hoopsummit

Wooderson · Post #58 » by **Wooderson** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:00 am

Knighthonor wrote:Why is there no videos of Exum playing before hoopsummit

Well most of these are after the Hoops Summit, but here ya go.

Full game against Spain in U-19s (quarterfinals).

Spoiler:

Condensed version of that game with just his plays.

Spoiler:

Condensed version against Serbia (semifinals).

Spoiler:

For all the talk about the lack of competition, it should also be noted that his teammates were pretty poor (check out 10:25, 13:55, and 16:24 for their inability to finish off nice passes).

Against New Zealand.

Spoiler:

Plays worth checking out in the NZ game.

5:40
6:30
7:45
8:10
10:00
13:42
14:40
15:50
16:38
17:00
22:27
24:33

I used to have the U-17 FIBA Final against the US but can't locate it at the moment. In the process of getting a copy of it and will put it on youtube if I get it.

tiderulz · Post #59 » by **tiderulz** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:20 pm

76ciology wrote:
j_n wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:You do realize that regardless of whether it is "returning" the pick or not, it is still them giving up a first round pick, and no that pick would not have most likely turned into a second rounder.

Most likely it would have been 2 seconds or a mid-late first, Philly have proven that they arent shy about tanking, if they felt they cant make the playoffs they would just tank to make sure the pick becomes 2 second, they wouldnt have let themselves lose a lottery pick to get some meaningless wins.

And yeah, lets see how Payton, Saric and the pick turns out before we declare winners, most pepole declared the Lakers, Nuggets and Sixers winners after the Dwight trade and we saw how that turned out.

2017 is 3 years from now.

That means 2015 and 2016 lotto. So with that said..

Embiid
Noel
MCW
Saric
2015 lotto
2016 lotto
Wroten?
Thad?
Max FA

Looking at how talented the Sixers should be by then to almost have two teams of very very talented players and looking how weak the east is. Nothing's definite. But it's most likely a 1st rounder. And come on.. If it's most likely a 1st that's why Hinkie did the trade. HE KNOWS what's the most likely progress by then.

so Orlando needed a PG. But they should wait on a pick 3+ years from now? If the GM truly believes in Payton, returning at best a mid-lotto pick 3 yrs from now is a very small price. Hey, Philly got the best of the deal. It happens when they are picking higher and making a gamble. Kudos to them. Orlando is actually looking to try and start winning, they are done just trying to tank for picks.

76ciology · Post #60 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:54 pm

tiderulz wrote:
76ciology wrote:
j_n wrote:Most likely it would have been 2 seconds or a mid-late first, Philly have proven that they arent shy about tanking, if they felt they cant make the playoffs they would just tank to make sure the pick becomes 2 second, they wouldnt have let themselves lose a lottery pick to get some meaningless wins.

And yeah, lets see how Payton, Saric and the pick turns out before we declare winners, most pepole declared the Lakers, Nuggets and Sixers winners after the Dwight trade and we saw how that turned out.

2017 is 3 years from now.

That means 2015 and 2016 lotto. So with that said..

Embiid
Noel
MCW
Saric
2015 lotto
2016 lotto
Wroten?
Thad?
Max FA

Looking at how talented the Sixers should be by then to almost have two teams of very very talented players and looking how weak the east is. Nothing's definite. But it's most likely a 1st rounder. And come on.. If it's most likely a 1st that's why Hinkie did the trade. HE KNOWS what's the most likely progress by then.

so Orlando needed a PG. But they should wait on a pick 3+ years from now? If the GM truly believes in Payton, returning at best a mid-lotto pick 3 yrs from now is a very small price. Hey, Philly got the best of the deal. It happens when they are picking higher and making a gamble. Kudos to them. Orlando is actually looking to try and start winning, they are done just trying to tank for picks.

Value wise, maybe. We don't know how good Saric is or if he's going to play. But I think team needs, it's a great deal for you guys. You got the players you want in payton and it also solidifies the Aaron Gordon pick.

My point is that, I just think that the 2017 pick would likely be a mid 1st rounder. And considering the amount of time needed to wait for saric (4th year rebuilding for you guys?) maybe as fans, it's just a fair deal. While for us, we can wait. FWIW, Saric is just a throw in for the Jrue - Noel deal.