*UPDATE* Deeks article: How to offer Melo $20M, keep Taj etc

[MarkDeeks]

so...it puts us in the tax in year ONE? yeah, that is not gonna happen

You really want to veto this because it'd possibly put Chicago very slightly over the tax threshold, even though they'd have eight months to get under it again should they even need to, which they ought not considering how barely they would be over it?

[Shill]

so...it puts us in the tax in year ONE? yeah, that is not gonna happen

You really want to veto this because it'd possibly put Chicago very slightly over the tax threshold, even though they'd have eight months to get under it again should they even need to, which they ought not considering how barely they would be over it?

No, he wants to veto because Melo is his nemesis.


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[Jo Jo English]

It's such a sham that we let these fly-by-night posters influence the mood of the board the way we do.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

so...it puts us in the tax in year ONE? yeah, that is not gonna happen

You really want to veto this because it'd possibly put Chicago very slightly over the tax threshold, even though they'd have eight months to get under it again should they even need to, which they ought not considering how barely they would be over it?

I think dice would rather pay 10 bench role players 2 million each instead of a superstar at 20 million. Cause value!!!

[dice]

so...it puts us in the tax in year ONE? yeah, that is not gonna happen

You really want to veto this because it'd possibly put Chicago very slightly over the tax threshold, even though they'd have eight months to get under it again should they even need to, which they ought not considering how barely they would be over it?

it's not that so much as it would require paying the tax every year going forward to keep the team together. it assumes that following through would create some superteam that is the clear favorite going into every season. and that's just not the case

[bullsnewdynasty]

signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140)

Lol what. Stopped reading here, never going to happen.

And good luck convincing Mirotic to sign for MLE and Uncle Jerry to amnesty Booz while giving Melo 20 mil a year.

[RedBulls23]

signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140)

Lol what. Stopped reading here, never going to happen.

Happened with Keith Bogans.

[EastBayFJ]

Boozer makes more sense to Philly than Lin

Boozer and Brewer + a 1st to Philly

Thad Young and the Kings Pick + 2nd rounders to New York and a $11m trade exception

Melo to Chi for $20m

Separate to this Philly could always switch J Rich for Lin + other assets Rox would need to send and still accommodate Houston to fit Bosh. Philly could fit both Lin and Boozer in this scenario

Unload Dunleavy.Smith and Randolph for a future 2nd rounder which you could add to NY or Philly

Sign Mirotic for $4m of the MLE and Baynes for the BAE

Okafor, Hinrich and one of Fredette or Kane for minimums

Noah
Gibson
Anthony
Butler
Rose

Baynes
Mirotic
McDermott
Snell
Hinrich

Okafor
Bairstow
Fredette

That too is around a &78m payroll

[bullsnewdynasty]

signed-and-traded Hinrich (three year deal starting at $5,184,140)

Lol what. Stopped reading here, never going to happen.

Happened with Keith Bogans.

Celtics aren't in the luxury tax.

[RedBulls23]

Lol what. Stopped reading here, never going to happen.

Happened with Keith Bogans.

Celtics aren't in the luxury tax.

Maybe you should have finished reading the OP, because it shows how the Knicks would also avoid the tax.

[MarkDeeks]

Forgot about the BAE. Beg Augustin to take that.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Happened with Keith Bogans.

Celtics aren't in the luxury tax.

Maybe you should have finished reading the OP, because it shows how the Knicks would also avoid the tax.

If all the Knicks are getting back is a measly 25th-30th overall 1st round pick, why don't they say F you to the Bulls and say we're not letting you the opportunity to sign Melo for 20 million? If I were Phil I'd tell the Bulls to pound sand and force Melo to choose between the max money and a paycut to win.

[RedBulls23]

If all the Knicks are getting back is a measly 25th-30th overall 1st round pick, why don't they say F you to the Bulls and say we're not letting you the opportunity to sign Melo for 20 million? If I were Phil I'd tell the Bulls to pound sand and force Melo to choose between the max money and a paycut to win.

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

The knicks don't only get a 1st round pick, they get Snell and also get out of the lux tax this year and save a **** load of money. Maybe you have to throw in another one of our picks and sacs pick.

[HINrichPolice]

If all the Knicks are getting back is a measly 25th-30th overall 1st round pick, why don't they say F you to the Bulls and say we're not letting you the opportunity to sign Melo for 20 million? If I were Phil I'd tell the Bulls to pound sand and force Melo to choose between the max money and a paycut to win.

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

The knicks don't only get a 1st round pick, they get Snell and also get out of the lux tax this year and save a **** load of money. Maybe you have to throw in another one of our picks and sacs pick.

Not that I'd want to, but we could also do a "reverse" protected pick, i.e. a pick that is only conveyed if it's between #4 and #14 or something.

[nitetrain8603]

I love you Mark Deeks. LOVE!

[bullsnewdynasty]

If all the Knicks are getting back is a measly 25th-30th overall 1st round pick, why don't they say F you to the Bulls and say we're not letting you the opportunity to sign Melo for 20 million? If I were Phil I'd tell the Bulls to pound sand and force Melo to choose between the max money and a paycut to win.

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

The knicks don't only get a 1st round pick, they get Snell and also get out of the lux tax this year and save a **** load of money. Maybe you have to throw in another one of our picks and sacs pick.

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

[MarkDeeks]

If it's crap, it's not an asset. If it's an asset, it's better than nothing. The Knicks don't have to want to do a deal. They shouldn't want to do a deal. But if Melo says he's going, it's better than nothing. Give them the Kings pick for free. They don't have to pretend Snell and Smith are brilliant, but they're worth a look and (should be) better than D-League options. As for Hinrich, that's a business reality. Give them $3.3 million in cash to placate it if you want. It's not about him as a player, though I imagine PJ and Fish would like him as one. He'd just be salary filler who gives the 2015 plan alive. Give them two first round picks if it needs it, whatever.

[HINrichPolice]

The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic.

Even if you don't think it's realistic, there are little changes that can be made to make it so. Most easily, adding more picks.

But, what Mark has showed is that it's possible under the CBA to get Melo at an amount that isn't far off from LA's offer while keeping Taj and Butler, and while having the MLE to offer to Mirotic.

This is awesome when you consider how journalists have kept saying the same ole' story about the need to force Boozer upon NY or the need to lose Taj for more capspace.

[BrooklynBulls]

If all the Knicks are getting back is a measly 25th-30th overall 1st round pick, why don't they say F you to the Bulls and say we're not letting you the opportunity to sign Melo for 20 million? If I were Phil I'd tell the Bulls to pound sand and force Melo to choose between the max money and a paycut to win.

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

The knicks don't only get a 1st round pick, they get Snell and also get out of the lux tax this year and save a **** load of money. Maybe you have to throw in another one of our picks and sacs pick.

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

Sacramento's pick is top 10 protected for the next 3 years. As much as they suck, they're going to accidentally not finish in the bottom 10 once in the next 3 years. That's a likelihood. That's a midround pick. Cleveland's pick is a lotto-protected 2015 swap, so if we finish 30th cuz we're so great, it's pretty unlikely that Cleveland is finishing nearly as impressively unless LeBron is back. That's approximately a 15th-25th pick. Then in 2017 we can offer an unprotected first. 2017. Can Rose's knees hold up? Is Noah declining? Did Melo? 2017 is a very long time, and in no way is that guaranteed to be a late first.

That's three first round picks that aren't just not "25th-30th" picks, but 2 of which that very realistically could be LOTTERY picks. We also offer salary relief, a sizable TPE, an expiring in Kirk, and a low-level prospect in Snell.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's crap, because it's pretty demonstrably not crap, and if at all possible, I'd like to keep as many of those assets as we can.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Why do you keep moving the goal post?

The knicks don't only get a 1st round pick, they get Snell and also get out of the lux tax this year and save a **** load of money. Maybe you have to throw in another one of our picks and sacs pick.

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

Sacramento's pick is top 10 protected for the next 3 years. As much as they suck, they're going to accidentally not finish in the bottom 10 once in the next 3 years. That's a likelihood. That's a midround pick. Cleveland's pick is a lotto-protected 2015 swap, so if we finish 30th cuz we're so great, it's pretty unlikely that Cleveland is finishing nearly as impressively unless LeBron is back. That's approximately a 15th-25th pick. Then in 2017 we can offer an unprotected first. 2017. Can Rose's knees hold up? Is Noah declining? Did Melo? 2017 is a very long time, and in no way is that guaranteed to be a late first.

That's three first round picks that aren't just not "25th-30th" picks, but 2 of which that very realistically could be LOTTERY picks. We also offer salary relief, a sizable TPE, an expiring in Kirk, and a low-level prospect in Snell.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's crap, because it's pretty demonstrably not crap, and if at all possible, I'd like to keep as many of those assets as we can.

Forgive me for not being confident in the Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Cavaliers playing any kind of winning basketball.