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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#401 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:51 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Thats not what you said though. Generally you are forced to overpay in FA though. At least in this case we are getting a 24 year old high ceiling guy. Like I said ill be shocked if we land a better PG moving forward. I think its a better use of cap room than how we otherwise end up spending it.

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We haven't used any cap room though. We have new ownership so there's no precedent here. We need to stop pretending we're still under the dark lord's rule. Just because Kohl liked to waste money doesn't mean our new owners will.

Personally I hope we do the Lin deal for the Pelican's first rounder, trade Knight as he's about to become an albatross contract himself, and maybe Henson if he has value. Play Ersan a ton of minutes early and hope he bounces back so you can trade him as soon as he has any tangible value.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#402 » by KidA24 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:53 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:After we've drafted our third young star to team with Jabiannis I'm all for adding higher priced talent. If we pull the trigger early were ruining all the progress we've made.

Enjoy the slow build guys. Rome wasn't built in an offseason.


Who are we going to sign that's better than Teague?

Who are we going to draft at 8-10 that is that much better than who is at 15?

The Bucks are not top-5-pick bad this year.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#403 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:55 pm

I don't think Houston has any first from New Orleans.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#404 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:56 pm

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MadBlueEdwards wrote:Everyone saying we should throw the max at Bledsoe needs to slow down. He's young, has a lot of potential, great size for his position, and already a high level defender, but he is not an elite player yet. I would LOVE to have him, but max contracts should be reserved for the Lebrons, Chris Pauls, and Durants of the league. Bledsoe isn't quite there yet.


Unfortunately, we never have the chance to get an actual max level player so Bledsoe is as close to Paul, LeBron, and Durant as we can get currently.


Lebron and KD are worth MUCH more than the max relative to the average league salary. Paul is worth more as well. Max contracts are often bargains because of the league's wonky salary structure. Overpaying in free agency drives everyone's salaries up, which causes guys like Redd and Jamison to get max contracts. It's stupid because so many max contracts guys are worth more, while so many others are worth less. I think in the case of Bledsoe, the max is about right. That's not my issue. Wanting to tank next year is, but it must be awfully tempting for the new manager's to play with their new toy rather than be patient.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#405 » by JayMKE » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:57 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:After we've drafted our third young star to team with Jabiannis I'm all for adding higher priced talent. If we pull the trigger early were ruining all the progress we've made.

Enjoy the slow build guys. Rome wasn't built in an offseason.


'And what if we don't pick top 5 this year and Jabari and Giannis develop as they should and we never pick that low again during their time here? Then we don't ever get that third player. Bledsoe is a sure thing, it doesn't matter how much money we have to pay him. We'd have the core set and would still have a whole host of other assets going forward. Signing a guy like Bledsoe would mean we could take a lot more risks with the players we select going forward, home run shots. It would prevent us from signing crappy role players which is a fantasy that we won't otherwise. Where else is this cap space going to go to? We're not going to sit on it for 5 years.

Bledsoe isn't about winning now, we might win a few more but it's about adding a building block for the future. Do you think there is a Lebron is next years draft?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#406 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:57 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:After we've drafted our third young star to team with Jabiannis I'm all for adding higher priced talent. If we pull the trigger early were ruining all the progress we've made.

Enjoy the slow build guys. Rome wasn't built in an offseason.


Who are we going to sign that's better than Teague?

Who are we going to draft at 8-10 that is that much better than who is at 15?

The Bucks are not top-5-pick bad this year.


I don't know yet. I'm not Doc Brown.

If you're smart, whomever is available to you.

I'm pretty sure there were about zero people here that thought they were top 5 bad going into last season.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#407 » by skones » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:58 pm

Bledsoe at big money would be a massive mistake. It's not a smart, calculated, build move, which is what has been pined for on these boards for so long. It's extremely reactionary to blow your wad on a guy in year one of the rebuild because he's the guy available. If Parker and Giannis don't turn out to be the players you think they will be, and you've got an albatross of a contract on a guy who doesn't move the needle by himself, all it does is severely hinder the rebuilding process.

Don't think Milwaukee has a shot at him anyway.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#408 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 4:58 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:After we've drafted our third young star to team with Jabiannis I'm all for adding higher priced talent. If we pull the trigger early were ruining all the progress we've made.

Enjoy the slow build guys. Rome wasn't built in an offseason.


'And what if we don't pick top 5 this year and Jabari and Giannis develop as they should and we never pick that low again during their time here? Then we don't ever get that third player. Bledsoe is a sure thing, it doesn't matter how much money we have to pay him. We'd have the core set and would still have a whole host of other assets going forward. Signing a guy like Bledsoe would mean we could take a lot more risks with the players we select going forward, home run shots. It would prevent us from signing crappy role players which is a fantasy that we won't otherwise. Where else is this cap space going to go to? We're not going to sit on it for 5 years.

Bledsoe isn't about winning now, we might win a few more but it's about adding a building block for the future. Do you think Lebron is next years draft?


I'm a little confused. You're saying there will never be a better player than Bledsoe available either in trades or free agency in the next few years?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#409 » by JayMKE » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:01 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:After we've drafted our third young star to team with Jabiannis I'm all for adding higher priced talent. If we pull the trigger early were ruining all the progress we've made.

Enjoy the slow build guys. Rome wasn't built in an offseason.


'And what if we don't pick top 5 this year and Jabari and Giannis develop as they should and we never pick that low again during their time here? Then we don't ever get that third player. Bledsoe is a sure thing, it doesn't matter how much money we have to pay him. We'd have the core set and would still have a whole host of other assets going forward. Signing a guy like Bledsoe would mean we could take a lot more risks with the players we select going forward, home run shots. It would prevent us from signing crappy role players which is a fantasy that we won't otherwise. Where else is this cap space going to go to? We're not going to sit on it for 5 years.

Bledsoe isn't about winning now, we might win a few more but it's about adding a building block for the future. Do you think Lebron is next years draft?


I'm a little confused. You're saying there will never be a better player than Bledsoe available either in trades or free agency in the next few years?


such as?? I can't think of anyone that is realistically available to us.
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Post#410 » by SupremeHustle » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:01 pm

I like Bledsoe. If I'm the Bucks, I would not give him the max.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#411 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:03 pm

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JayMKE wrote:
'And what if we don't pick top 5 this year and Jabari and Giannis develop as they should and we never pick that low again during their time here? Then we don't ever get that third player. Bledsoe is a sure thing, it doesn't matter how much money we have to pay him. We'd have the core set and would still have a whole host of other assets going forward. Signing a guy like Bledsoe would mean we could take a lot more risks with the players we select going forward, home run shots. It would prevent us from signing crappy role players which is a fantasy that we won't otherwise. Where else is this cap space going to go to? We're not going to sit on it for 5 years.

Bledsoe isn't about winning now, we might win a few more but it's about adding a building block for the future. Do you think Lebron is next years draft?


I'm a little confused. You're saying there will never be a better player than Bledsoe available either in trades or free agency in the next few years?


such as?? I can't think of anyone that is realistically available to us.


Again, I can't see into the future.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#412 » by BUCKnation » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:07 pm

Not really worried about how much we give him. Giannis and Jabari won't get their new contracts until Bledsoe's deal is over. A max for Bledsoe doesn't really interfere with any future plans cap wise. If anything it will help eliminate the chances of giving guys like Mayo or Zaza huge contracts.

Getting Bledsoe would be like adding another lottery guy to our squad. I don't really see the downside.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#413 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:12 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Not really worried about how much we give him. Giannis and Jabari won't get their new contracts until Bledsoe's deal is over. A max for Bledsoe doesn't really interfere with any future plans cap wise. If anything it will help eliminate the chances of giving guys like Mayo or Zaza huge contracts.

Getting Bledsoe would be like adding another lottery guy to our squad. I don't really see the downside.


When Jabari and Giannis are ready for new contracts they'll be approaching their primes, which is the time when you need to add complimentary players like Bledsoe and try for a title.

No one is arguing Bledsoe is a bad player, just the wrong player at the wrong time. We all are in agreement that this team is still going nowhere next year, so adding high priced talent makes little to no sense.

And again, please stop with the Zaza and Delfino arguments. Those are a thing of the past.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#414 » by CaptainAwesome » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:12 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't think Houston has any first from New Orleans.


As I said earlier in the thread, acquired for Asik this off-season.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#415 » by THE DINJ » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:15 pm

Bledsoe is not a max-contact player, full stop.
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Post#416 » by th87 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:15 pm

I'm still undecided on the direction, but the Bucks can still be bottom 5 if they get rid of everybody not named Giannis, Parker, or Sanders, and get creative at the ends of games.
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Post#417 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:15 pm

What year and protection on it?

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#418 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:16 pm

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LUKE23 wrote:I don't think Houston has any first from New Orleans.


As I said earlier in the thread, acquired for Asik this off-season.


That NO first will probably be as good as Houston's pick if they can hit on FA. They're loading up. Presuming Houston doesn't get LeBron.

Re: Bledsoe, I don't think the Bucks can get him on a decent deal for the franchise, so I'd just stay away from Rich Paul and work on other options. There's no way that they should they give him a max offer.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#419 » by JayMKE » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:39 pm

I don't see why a max deal matters, I see more upside than downside since it would prevent us for overpaying lesser players. He'll be expiring at the same time Giannis and Jabari have to get paid so it doesn't interfere with anything. We might not be a contender next year but what about 2-3 years? If Lebron leaves the east then there is pretty big window. I think if Jabari and Giannis are who we think they are then we'll have a nice competitive team. It's a fantasy to think we're going to an awful team for 5 years and load up on top 5 picks, the only way that happens is if those picks are BUSTS. I see us having 1 more potentially top 5 bad year and that's iffy in my opinion, we could be a lot better than last year. There isn't anybody on the horizon that we could potentially sign in FA or trade for that is as young and has as much upside as Bledsoe, this is as close to a Harden move as can make. Think about how rare that is in NBA history.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#420 » by drew881 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 5:42 pm

I'm ok with either option.

For: I like Bledsoe and he is still young. I like Bledsoe, Middleton, Giannis, Parker, Sanders going forward. We can trade Ersan and Knight (if not in that deal) and move forward. I think even with Bledsoe that lineup is a late lotto team.

Against: I like Middleton, Giannis, Parker, Sanders going forward. I don't think we are a 35-45 team win as constructed. We don't know what Sanders will do. We don't know how healthy Parker will be over 82 given his conditioning and body. I see him playing 45-50 games, or if he plays longer, will hit that rookie wall. We don't know about Giannis. I could see us winning 25-27 and having a top 7 pick, and I am fine withthat.

Either way we are good. I don't like acquiring Lin, unless we get a future 1st round pick, preferably from another team if the Rockets have another pick stashed.

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