MeloDrama Part V

[E86]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/los-angeles-lakers-emerge-as-contenders-for-carmelo-anthony-1404674407?mobile=y&KEYWORDS=chris%20herring/

This situation is very odd. Herring is the best of the beat writers in my opinion.

Rehash of what's been said in the media. No new insight just rewording other peoples stories


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[K_ick_God]

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SOURCE: Carmelo Anthony expected to reach a verbal agreement with the Knicks as early as tomorrow. The deal will be for the max.
2:49 PM - 6 Jul 2014

The only way the verbal agreement won't happen is if LeBron and him decide to team up somewhere. However that's unlikely to happen.

28,000 followers so he's a real reporter.

[NYMNYKFN10]

Chris Herring is one of the better beat writers. I don't think he'd "make up" some story.

[Moose]

So Dogg, as a NY fan, wouldn't you prefer to get Detriot or Minny involved and with up with Love or much stronger "assets"? Dude NOBODY wants Boozer, not EVEN the Bulls or it's fanbase.
hell no, tired of taking in players in big contracts nobody wants!!!!!! A bunch f unknowns for Camelo Anthony? Ludicrous

If Melo wants to leave, then yes, I would take that package.

And we would have cap space and assets to send to the twolves for Love. Draft picks, MCD, Mirotic, Shump, THJ, etc.

We can sign Gasol in the off-season too.

You have to have something to attract these upper level guys, unless they're just in it for the cheese.

Love in NY without Melo? He wont sign the extension for that.

If we had Love's bird rights and brought in Gasol or another top FA or two to pair up with him, pretty sure he'd resign.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Chris Herring is one of the better beat writers. I don't think he'd "make up" some story.

yea i agree.

but since when does he have sources??

#INPHILWETRUST!!!!!!

[Moose]

If Melo wants to leave, then yes, I would take that package.

And we would have cap space and assets to send to the twolves for Love. Draft picks, MCD, Mirotic, Shump, THJ, etc.

We can sign Gasol in the off-season too.

You have to have something to attract these upper level guys, unless they're just in it for the cheese.

Love in NY without Melo? He wont sign the extension for that.

Also. Under this notion, the Knicks will never be able to bring in another top free agent ever again if Melo leaves. I find that hard to believe.

[spaceballer]

Lets be honest, NYK would S&T him for a first rounder if it came down to it, if it doesn't involve taking on Boozer, Phil isn't going to turn down assets out of pride.

But as you say later in posts, they have to clear the space to sign him outright at the money he wants. The only reason teams were "forced" to accept S&T for stars in the past was to get the extra year for the player, and that's not possible anymore. You either have the money to sign the player outright, or you have to bend to the team that's trading him in order to get the player on your roster at the money he wants.

There is no longer any "recouping whatever possible" aspect to S&Ts under the new CBA because the trading team can't pass the 5th year or annual increases on to the accepting team.

The entirety of you and everyone else who is discussing a S&T using terms such as "if it came down to it" and "something rather than nothing" have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the new CBA rules.

There are quite literally only two scenarios involving Melo to the Bulls:

1) The Bulls clear enough space to give him his desired salary outright.

2) The Bulls do not have enough money to give Melo his desired salary outright, but he wants to play there.

In scenario one the Knicks have no leverage and just get boned over. Lose Melo, no assets returned.

In scenario two the Bulls are completely at the Knicks' mercy. They have to satisfy the Knicks or PJax just sits there with his hands folded smiling.

But again, these trade scenarios where the Knicks have no leverage and are being forced into accepting assets are misinformed fan ramblings based on the previous CBA, not the current one.

Solid post and generally correct except for a couple of addendums.

In the second scenario, Melo could create leverage to increase pressure on the Knicks to get a S&T deal done with Chicago by using a 3rd team that has enough cap space to sign him directly, and that he is willing to go to, but not as much as he wants to go to Chicago.

I wonder if that's why his side might be leaking that he wants LA, just to use the spectre of signing with LA to force the Knicks to work out a S&T to Chicago or lose him to LA for nothing. Though if that's the case, you may have to question his sincerity about signing with LA, and divine whether it's a negotiating ploy to force a Chicago S&T and call his bluff or if he really means to choose LA over NY and the extra money.

Also, there's a 3rd scenario, where a team which was over the cap has managed to create sufficient cap space to give him the max but would still prefer a S&T. This is because when a team trades away player to go from over the cap to under the cap, that cap space is not created immediately. What is created is a traded player exception. In order to realize that cap space for a free agent signing, the team must renounce the traded player exception (along with possibly the BAE and non-taxpayer MLE) to free up that cap space. If the team is instead able to work out a S&T using that traded player exception, instead of renouncing it for cap space, then the team might be able keep its BAE and non-taxpayer MLE (instead of having it devolve into the Room MLE). But that's not the case here, if Chicago is not able to create that cap space to give him the max in the first place.

[Thugger HBC]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/los-angeles-lakers-emerge-as-contenders-for-carmelo-anthony-1404674407?mobile=y&KEYWORDS=chris%20herring/

If you read Herring's twitter, even he doesn't really believe the LAL hype.

he may not believe the hype, but he certainly has felt Knicks shouldnt offer melo the max right off the bat.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB20001424052702304384104579141391433664878

[GONYK]

Chris Herring is one of the better beat writers. I don't think he'd "make up" some story.

Herring didn't report anything, so there is nothing to make up

[Greenie]

In the end I think he will re-sign however, these dudes have egos. Making them feel as if they should/ have to do something only pushes them in the op posit direction. Melo said he was willing to take less. Phil was supposed to leave it there. It was not Phil's place to harp on it especially since we all know Melo's market says he is in fact a max player. That is where I will forever stand on that issue. Phil played that card wrong.

[GONYK]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/los-angeles-lakers-emerge-as-contenders-for-carmelo-anthony-1404674407?mobile=y&KEYWORDS=chris%20herring/

If you read Herring's twitter, even he doesn't really believe the LAL hype.

he may not believe the hype, but he certainly has felt Knicks shouldnt offer melo the max right off the bat.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB20001424052702304384104579141391433664878

Correct. He's been fairly consistent about that.

[gothamknicks]

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SOURCE: Carmelo Anthony expected to reach a verbal agreement with the Knicks as early as tomorrow. The deal will be for the max.
2:49 PM - 6 Jul 2014

The only way the verbal agreement won't happen is if LeBron and him decide to team up somewhere. However that's unlikely to happen.

28,000 followers so he's a real reporter.

Dudes a hack, wanna be incarcerated bob (also a hack).

In regards to Melo, I've resigned myself to the fact that he's gone. And I'm ok with it. Just want it to be over with already

[Thugger HBC]

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SOURCE: Carmelo Anthony expected to reach a verbal agreement with the Knicks as early as tomorrow. The deal will be for the max.
2:49 PM - 6 Jul 2014

The only way the verbal agreement won't happen is if LeBron and him decide to team up somewhere. However that's unlikely to happen.

28,000 followers so he's a real reporter.

cant go by followers, you can buy those.

[K_ick_God]

I believe the DYST guy. Done tomorrow. For a true Max? Makes me kind of pissed if so.

[E86]

I have a feeling these reporters are just throwing every scenario to see what sticks in order to be that guy who broke it first.


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[Tron Carter]

I have a feeling these reporters are just throwing every scenario to see what sticks in order to be that guy who broke it first.


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[Moose]

I believe the DYST guy. Done tomorrow. For a true Max? Makes me kind of pissed if so.

What you're feeling is the realization that the Knicks' future is better without Melo at 25mill per year.

[Rasho Brezec]

I went cycling, I went swimming, I drank cold milk, and this attention whore is still stroking his ego by taking his time to make a decision.

[Moose]

I went cycling, I went swimming, I drank cold milk, and this attention whore is still stroking his ego by taking his time to make a decision.

It's the next 4-5 years of his and his family's lives. I think he has every right to take his time.

[liknicks7]

DYST has broken stories before but they also seem to throw stuff out there to see if it sticks. I'd say they're a step above incarcerated Bob but nothing to bet the house on. Being that they're Syracuse based they could conceivably have some sources.