MeloDrama Part V

Tron Carter · Post #1081 » by **Tron Carter** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:30 pm

can we change part to 'party' in the new thread title? it's more festive that way.

nykinoz · Post #1082 » by **nykinoz** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:30 pm

Just got to work (in Australia), whats happened overnight? Nothing? Speculation and people tweeting attention seeking statements?

blumatic · Post #1083 » by **blumatic** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:31 pm

cubanKnick wrote:To if you guy's think Melo is our saviour and his teammates were at fault for the last 3 years then I hope Phil signs him to that ridiculous contract he doesn't deserve, me I have an issue when a man doesn't keep his word say lot about a person but hey that's just me and my beliefs

Well what if I told you the NBPA told it's players not to take paycuts or take less money because it hurts the value of other players in the league.

It's weird to me why Lebron wouldn't take less when it brought him so much success already.

The whole A-Rod to Boston deal died because the MLBPA was against payouts as well.

rammagen · Post #1084 » by **rammagen** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:31 pm

BrandonMarshall wrote:After a long phone conversation with Carmelo Anthony, I can confidently say he will not be re-signing with the New York Knicks. It seems as though the vast array of sushi dishes, coupled with the fact that he feels his best color is yellow have drawn him to Los Angeles. More info coming soon.

- Marsh

sore looser?

rammagen · Post #1085 » by **rammagen** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:32 pm

blumatic wrote:
cubanKnick wrote:To if you guy's think Melo is our saviour and his teammates were at fault for the last 3 years then I hope Phil signs him to that ridiculous contract he doesn't deserve, me I have an issue when a man doesn't keep his word say lot about a person but hey that's just me and my beliefs

Well what if I told you the NBPA told it's players not to take paycuts or take less money because it hurts the value of other players in the league.

It's weird to me why Lebron wouldn't take less when it brought him so much success already.

The whole A-Rod to Boston deal died because the MLBPA was against payouts as well.

But this is what I was saying about the cheat and the reason why players should be pissed about them cheating but several posters here defended the right of the players to take less......

Knicksfan20 · Post #1086 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:32 pm

nykinoz wrote:Just got to work (in Australia), whats happened overnight? Nothing? Speculation and people tweeting attention seeking statements?

Robert Randolph made a tweet to make people think Melo is staying.

But nothing revealing has really came out yet. We are all still clueless.

nykinoz · Post #1087 » by **nykinoz** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:34 pm

Its not like these players are living on the poverty line. a little perspective when we say "pay-cut" would be nice.

Greenie · Post #1088 » by **Greenie** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:36 pm

rammagen wrote:
blumatic wrote:
cubanKnick wrote:To if you guy's think Melo is our saviour and his teammates were at fault for the last 3 years then I hope Phil signs him to that ridiculous contract he doesn't deserve, me I have an issue when a man doesn't keep his word say lot about a person but hey that's just me and my beliefs

Well what if I told you the NBPA told it's players not to take paycuts or take less money because it hurts the value of other players in the league.

It's weird to me why Lebron wouldn't take less when it brought him so much success already.

The whole A-Rod to Boston deal died because the MLBPA was against payouts as well.

But this is what I was saying about the cheat and the reason why players should be pissed about them cheating but several posters here defended the right of the players to take less......

They can take less. That's not to say it's a players responsibility to do so or that they should.

Red Vines · Post #1089 » by **Red Vines** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:37 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/485914922971590656[/tweet]

Jay10 · Post #1090 » by **Jay10** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:37 pm

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Greenie · Post #1091 » by **Greenie** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:38 pm

nykinoz wrote:Its not like these players are living on the poverty line. a little perspective when we say "pay-cut" would be nice.

It is a pay-cut....

It is what it is.

We can get into salaries of all athletes another day.

Jay10 · Post #1092 » by **Jay10** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:40 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/485915703820566528[/tweet]

BodyCount · Post #1093 » by **BodyCount** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:41 pm

yeah poor melo. If he takes a serious paycut he'll have only 10 cars in front of garage and not 11. That 2 mil lamborghini just might be too expensive

rammagen · Post #1094 » by **rammagen** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:41 pm

greenhughes wrote:
rammagen wrote:
blumatic wrote:
Well what if I told you the NBPA told it's players not to take paycuts or take less money because it hurts the value of other players in the league.

It's weird to me why Lebron wouldn't take less when it brought him so much success already.

The whole A-Rod to Boston deal died because the MLBPA was against payouts as well.

But this is what I was saying about the cheat and the reason why players should be pissed about them cheating but several posters here defended the right of the players to take less......

They can take less. That's not to say it's a players responsibility to do so or that they should.

but when a player of leflops stature it hurts all the other plyers leverage to get better contracts?. I know the lefop and the cheater defenders will say it did not hurt Melo but when the next cba comes up in another year two the owners will point it out and use as a bargaining point to keep salaries down.

ether people do not see the biger the picture here or refuse to see it when it is presented to them.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1095 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:41 pm

greenhughes wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:No. If your teammates can't hit shots stop passing them the ball as often.
Felton and Shump had to be the worst shooting back-court tandem I have ever seen.

He's not the GM though. You play by sharing the ball always. Let the GM put good players out there. You're not going to win NBA games singlehandedly so you might as well trust your teammates if your goal is to win. Passing to a bad teammate is still better than trying to win a game yourself.

Passing to Felton this year was playing to lose...

There is only one way to play basketball and that's "the right way."

Greenie · Post #1096 » by **Greenie** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:45 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
He's not the GM though. You play by sharing the ball always. Let the GM put good players out there. You're not going to win NBA games singlehandedly so you might as well trust your teammates if your goal is to win. Passing to a bad teammate is still better than trying to win a game yourself.

Passing to Felton this year was playing to lose...

There is only one way to play basketball and that's "the right way."

LOL

OK

Inform the entire team instead of just one.

The right way is the way that wins. Two years ago Melo played right I guess...

BugginOut · Post #1097 » by **BugginOut** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:45 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
David Blaine wrote:Teams aren't moving heaven and earth because they know that it is very unlikely that Melo will sign with them in the first place. If Melo committed 100% to a team they would do everything in their power to make room.

I'm specifically talking about the teams he's interested in and actually have heard presentations from. the second point really no one knows, speculation at best.

David Blaine wrote:The CBA doesn't dictate Melo's value. Melo's true value is probably over the max, but the amount of money he can receive is limited the CBA. Lakers offered him the much they could and probably would have offered him more if they could.

I said "market". Market is irrelevant. The price a team is willing and/or can pay is CBA influenced and has 100% determined that. 129 mil isnt Melo's market...the CBA ensured that.

David Blaine wrote:Also how do you know Phil made a mistake and that he believes that he can actually build a team with Melo making the max?

Offering the max contradicts the majority of what Phil has said from team building standpoint.

You said it yourself. "Market Value" what teams are willing to pay for Melo, just because there is a limiting factor (CBA) that prevents teams from going over the limit doesn't mean he isn't worth more than that. This is basic Economics

Also Phil has literally just been saying what knicks fans want to hear. He knows he needs Melo for his system to work and is worried about what will happen if Melo leaves. Since if he leaves Phil's tenure here is doomed to fail.

Greenie · Post #1098 » by **Greenie** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:46 pm

rammagen wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
rammagen wrote:But this is what I was saying about the cheat and the reason why players should be pissed about them cheating but several posters here defended the right of the players to take less......

They can take less. That's not to say it's a players responsibility to do so or that they should.

but when a player of leflops stature it hurts all the other plyers leverage to get better contracts?. I know the lefop and the cheater defenders will say it did not hurt Melo but when the next cba comes up in another year two the owners will point it out and use as a bargaining point to keep salaries down.

ether people do not see the biger the picture here or refuse to see it when it is presented to them.

Yes, I agree. What they did has other players under the gun to take less. That's not good when we should be looking at owners to charge less for an entertainment product.

BodyCount · Post #1099 » by **BodyCount** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:46 pm

rammagen wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
rammagen wrote:But this is what I was saying about the cheat and the reason why players should be pissed about them cheating but several posters here defended the right of the players to take less......

They can take less. That's not to say it's a players responsibility to do so or that they should.

but when a player of leflops stature it hurts all the other plyers leverage to get better contracts?. I know the lefop and the cheater defenders will say it did not hurt Melo but when the next cba comes up in another year two the owners will point it out and use as a bargaining point to keep salaries down.

ether people do not see the biger the picture here or refuse to see it when it is presented to them.

I don't see a problem with it. If max cats end with lowered contracts, there will be more money for other people. And it sure means more to a guy earning 1 mil to get to 2 mil, then to a guy getting 20 mil to get 19.

ibraheim718 · Post #1100 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 10:48 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:Marcus Bass @TheBasslineNBA · 21m
#Lakers Kobe Bryant spotted in pick up game with Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love at UCLA. Kobe looking like he bought new legs.

#INPHILWETRUST!!!!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/beinhorn/status/485901887514738688[/tweet]

You made my wife smile. She's been on this contention since early last year, I've been hearing it all weekend.

Uh-oh..