MeloDrama Part V

[blumatic]

One thing I find ironic is, that all of his choices were able to meet him in THEIR respective cities.

Except one.

Phil and Derek still have homes in LA, Melo lives there.
Melo wanted a tour going from east to West and Phil wanted the last word.

[god shammgod]

He's a bad person because he does it at the expense of the team I root for.

that's you being selfish as well then

I question his motivation and drive to win basketball games when he has no problems using his own team as a chess piece to get what he really wants.

say you work for a business and a competing business offers you more money to leave. you use that offer to get more money from the company you work for. does that mean you don't care about your work ?

[BugginOut]

I'm specifically talking about the teams he's interested in and actually have heard presentations from. the second point really no one knows, speculation at best.



I said "market". Market is irrelevant. The price a team is willing and/or can pay is CBA influenced and has 100% determined that. 129 mil isnt Melo's market...the CBA ensured that.



Offering the max contradicts the majority of what Phil has said from team building standpoint.

You said it yourself. "Market Value" what teams are willing to pay for Melo, just because there is a limiting factor (CBA) that prevents teams from going over the limit doesn't mean he isn't worth more than that. This is basic Economics

Also Phil has literally just been saying what knicks fans want to hear. He knows he needs Melo for his system to work and is worried about what will happen if Melo leaves. Since if he leaves Phil's tenure here is doomed to fail.

i really dont think you understand, and lets use two examples to make it clearer from the same team....

Chicago 2010 was one of leBron's choices of interview......they made room to accept him prior to the meeting.

Melo 2014 Chicago was one of Melo choices of interview.....they didnt make room to come anywhere near a fair offer, so is melo's market value 15 mil to Chicago? thats why market is a term that has no place.

There's even reports that Dallas has no intention to offer any max deals....another Melo interviewer.

Do you honestly believe over half of Lebrons choices would low ball him like this? teams arent drooling over Melo at a max price.

As far as Phil goes he's actually said the opposite of fan belief, but up until the max contract offer his message has been consistent.....his goal is to build a team that can compete with or without Melo.

But even with the offer Phil is still putting it in melo's court to take less to look as a team player, basically stating taking max counters the process.

First Lebron isn't Melo

Second you are the one that said Melo's "market" value. Which is something we can't guage unless each team is given a blank slate and unlimited cap space. And then I could almost guarantee Melo would get more then the supermax

Third, again why should Chicago clear room if they think Melo is unlikely to come and they are trying to compete next year. They would have to move Taj and Dunleavy with first picks, and amnesty Boozer. Then if Melo doesn't come they would have moved assets and set their team back for nothing. It's different than 2010.

Fourth, Like I said I don't believe Phil actually believes he can compete, especially short term, without Melo. But I'm pretty sure he is confident Melo will come back with a paycut

[kane2021]

Make faces all you want. I take the young big man project over, .... nothing!

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[EricAnderson]

Melo gets no respect on here

What do u want? He's a great scorer but he's not gonna change the fortunes of a franchise..he's a newer version of Alex English great scorer but not a guy u build around

Well Phil seems to think different but what does he know

He also tweaked him about taking less maybe because he knew it would tick em off..also as great a coach Is nobody knows if he can build a team yet..

[Greenie]

You would think Melo gave up on the team last year like some of our others players by the way people talk about him.
When he really played his ass off every game for us.

It's more the fact some of us don't want to pay him the max because he's not a guy you can build around add in the years he's been in the league and minutes played in the nba and the last few years of that contract will look awful as he slows down

We can't build around anyone then with the standards that you all have for your best player.

James- nah not really a leader needs bunch of other good players to win.
KD- not aggressive enough not a true alpha as he backs up for Russel.
Russel- Can't run a team
Love- not a real winner
Curry- shoots too much
PG- offensive game needs work
Dwight- Keep that baby maker away from the Knicks
LMA- shoots way too many jumpers and isn't tough
M Gasol- Too slow
Rondo- can't shoot
Wall- not a real PG needs to learn to control himself

I could go on...

You can't build around anyone because you are never satisfied.

EVERY PLAYER HAS FLAWS.

[Rasho Brezec]

that's you being selfish as well then

I question his motivation and drive to win basketball games when he has no problems using his own team as a chess piece to get what he really wants.

say you work for a business and a competing business offers you more money to leave. you use that offer to get more money from the company you work for. does that mean you don't care about your work ?

That business is not limited with a salary cap, is it?

Actually, this doesn't make any sense. We're probably still offering him more guaranteed money than anyone else.

[gothamknicks]

Jmo I think it's a wrap and Melo will be taking his talents to LA.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

at this rate i wouldnt be suprised if melo went on espn first take tomorrow to announce his decision.

this has reached 2010 level crazyness.

#INPHILWETRUST!!!!

[Red Vines]

Make faces all you want. I take the young big man project over, .... nothing!

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I'd give up Shump & Bargnani. I'm sure they want more.

[GONYK]

One thing I find ironic is, that all of his choices were able to meet him in THEIR respective cities.

Except one.

He knows what NY looks like.

All of them were going to LA anyway. Melo slowly moved west.

He knows what all of them look like.

I'm just saying, it's odd. he claimed he wanted a dwight style courting, but the only team did that was NY.

We pitched him in NY before he left, no?

We got the first and last meetings with Melo.

[CoolKids]

Make faces all you want. I take the young big man project over, .... nothing!

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hes not young and he awful.

[Greenie]

It's a bad move to say you'll take less money to help your team and not follow through. Period.

the truth is, he said if they brought him a plan that made sense he would take less money. what plan do they have ? they're gonna sign people next year ? that's not a plan that's a wish. he really shouldn't have said anything about his salary but for some reason he'll answer almost anything.

Then why would we want him if he doesn't like Phil's plan going forward?

It's not about liking it. It's about putting his earned money on the line for something that may not happen. His money is here this year, next year is a year away...

[Thugger HBC]

First Lebron isn't Melo

of course, which is why teams treated them differently.

Second you are the one that said Melo's "market" value. Which is something we can't guage unless each team is given a blank slate and unlimited cap space. And then I could almost guarantee Melo would get more then the supermax

Nope..I didnt, take the time and read what I said. not one single post I endorse market when it comes to Melo, I've specifically stated Melo doesnt have one and the CBA dictates.

Third, again why should Chicago clear room if they think Melo is unlikely to come and they are trying to compete next year. They would have to move Taj and Dunleavy with first picks, and amnesty Boozer. Then if Melo doesn't come they would have moved assets and set their team back for nothing. It's different than 2010.

They did it in 2010....i guess times change.

Fourth, Like I said I don't believe Phil actually believes he can compete, especially short term, without Melo. But I'm pretty sure he is confident Melo will come back with a paycut

Phil certainly believe his plan is above any one player. Every interview he's given alludes to it.

[Red Vines]

Jmo I think it's a wrap and Melo will be taking his talents to LA.

Who is Jmo? Not computing.

[AmazingJason]

I question his motivation and drive to win basketball games when he has no problems using his own team as a chess piece to get what he really wants.

say you work for a business and a competing business offers you more money to leave. you use that offer to get more money from the company you work for. does that mean you don't care about your work ?

That business is not limited with a salary cap, is it?

Also, nobody gives a sh*t about Rasho, lol. The reason why Melo gets paid is because of us. We are the ones who buy the jerseys, the tickets and the cable subscriptions.

[Greenie]

He seems to like LA.

he seems to like that 129 too.

mad or nah?

Nah. Then why hasn't he taken it?

I see you are. How do you know he hasn't planned on it?

[giantsx6]

Knicks getting chased by other teams this weekend.

[NYMNYKFN10]

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[Red Vines]

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Huh.