Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Scoops]

Curious, what was your season prediction last year again?

Curious, what odds do you have on Mayo, Ersan and Sanders all playing (or not playing) as bad as they did this season?

I would say the odds of them playing close to their level of play last year is much more likely than them returning to their peak levels.

[M-C-G]

Do you honestly think the Bucks have a chance in hell of signing Bledsoe away from the Suns? I personally don't.

I think people need to throw out preconceived notions of what the Bucks are or are not able to do.

Jason Kidd should've done that.

According to Stein we are already "pitching" Eric Bledsoe on an offer sheet.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/485496057313652737[/tweet]

I don't see any published reports that link any other teams to pitching him.

I'm going to be hopeful until we hear otherwise.

Can someone link the Stein quote ?


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[RRyder823]

Why do people keep mentioning that Bledsoe is 24? What does age have to do with anything when the guy will be a free agent in 2018? I don't care if he's 28 or 20.

Because the goal is to get young players who can be your core with upside.

What is your big hang up about a guy becoming a free agent in 2018??? Sorry that's not making a whole lot of sense to me. If your saying that because thats when you think Giannis and Parker will be hitting there primes I'd much rather have a guy that's already been playing with them for an extended period of time versus bringing in someone new and force feeding chemistry

[Nycballa2k]

Why do people keep mentioning that Bledsoe is 24? What does age have to do with anything when the guy will be a free agent in 2018? I don't care if he's 28 or 20.

Because the goal is to get young players who can be your core with upside.

What is your big hang up about a guy becoming a free agent in 2018??? Sorry that's not making a whole lot of sense to me. If your saying that because thats when you think Giannis and Parker will be hitting there primes I'd much rather have a guy that's already been playing with them for an extended period of time versus bringing in someone new and force feeding chemistry

agreed and I see this ignored a lot. He gets to develop chemistry with them and if they become the players we think they can become its a loss less likely he bolts after his contract. If he's not the piece we needed then we let him walk. I don't see how we lose

[RRyder823]

Why do people keep mentioning that Bledsoe is 24? What does age have to do with anything when the guy will be a free agent in 2018? I don't care if he's 28 or 20.

Because the goal is to get young players who can be your core with upside.

What is your big hang up about a guy becoming a free agent in 2018??? Sorry that's not making a whole lot of sense to me. If your saying that because thats when you think Giannis and Parker will be hitting there primes I'd much rather have a guy that's already been playing with them for an extended period of time versus bringing in someone new and force feeding chemistry

agreed and I see this ignored a lot. He gets to develop chemistry with them and if they become the players we think they can become its a loss less likely he bolts after his contract. If he's not the piece we needed then we let him walk. I don't see how we lose

Boom.... You hit it right on the head

[Scoops]

Because the goal is to get young players who can be your core with upside.

What is your big hang up about a guy becoming a free agent in 2018??? Sorry that's not making a whole lot of sense to me. If your saying that because thats when you think Giannis and Parker will be hitting there primes I'd much rather have a guy that's already been playing with them for an extended period of time versus bringing in someone new and force feeding chemistry

agreed and I see this ignored a lot. He gets to develop chemistry with them and if they become the players we think they can become its a loss less likely he bolts after his contract. If he's not the piece we needed then we let him walk. I don't see how we lose

Boom.... You hit it right on the head

If he's not a player that can win us a championship and we let him walk than we've wasted time middling in the 40 win range when we could have been landing a few more top 5 picks. So yes we absolutely can lose.

[paulpressey25]

Do you honestly think the Bucks have a chance in hell of signing Bledsoe away from the Suns? I personally don't.

Low probability no doubt.

I think you have to analyze what the Suns might do. Dragic can opt out of the last year on his deal next summer. Among some, he's much preferred to Bledsoe, so he's due for a max deal himself within 12-months.

If the Suns got LeBron or Bosh somehow, they'd be intriguing. But if they strike out on those guys, I'm not sure I want to be them with a maxed out Bledsoe and maxed out Dragic leading a 45-48 win team in the West. I think they have to consider giving up one of those two guys in a bigger move. So I might see them open to a sign and trade. Who knows.

From our standpoint, Kidd has mojo right now and Jabari has hype. Add in the two billionaires and this quite possibly could be one of our only chances to snag an upper level free agent.

[Chapter29]

Curious, what was your season prediction last year again?

Curious, what odds do you have on Mayo, Ersan and Sanders all playing (or not playing) as bad as they did this season?

I would say the odds of them playing close to their level of play last year is much more likely than them returning to their peak levels.

No way.

First off I fully expect Sanders to return to form. He was simply hurt there is no reason he cannot.

Ersan has years of proof that he's a better player and he also was hurt most of the year.

Mayo is the only one that I am not sold that they can or will return to form but my take on him is that he saw us effectively tanking and he started tanking it himself. I think he can return to form its just can he do it here?

[RRyder823]

agreed and I see this ignored a lot. He gets to develop chemistry with them and if they become the players we think they can become its a loss less likely he bolts after his contract. If he's not the piece we needed then we let him walk. I don't see how we lose

Boom.... You hit it right on the head

If he's not a player that can win us a championship and we let him walk than we've wasted time middling in the 40 win range when we could have been landing a few more top 5 picks. So yes we absolutely can lose.

Once again that's if you believe this team is sure to get another top 5 pick this coming season..... Since it appears you do that's fine..... I don't but that's a difference of opinion...But a "Few" more top 5 picks??? How long do you expect the Bucks to stay in the basement or have you just conceded the Bucks moving??? If the only way to a championship team is a "Few" more top 5 picks there is no way a new arena deal gets done....

Also I'd have us in the 50 win range in a very short time with Bledsoe so sorry I just can't get on the "We'd be a middling 40 win team" train if he doesn't put us over the top and if you can build a consistent 50 win a year team that's not a bad place to go torwards contending. Consitent 50 win teams normally aren't that far off from having a chance to contend

[paulpressey25]

we've wasted time middling in the 40 win range when we could have been landing a few more top 5 picks.

A couple thoughts on top-5 picks.

- I don't see us winning as many games next year as some do. But the biggest x factor is the PG position. If Kidd is allowed to get a semi-competent guy, I think we are screwed and likely win 28-30 games next year, which has us drafting in the 7-8th slot. Now if you think we move up to top 3 from slot 8 via the lotto fine, but the odds are against it. We know that from experience of having the 8th lotto seeding.

-If Jabari truly is what we think he is, next year is likely our last shot at a top five pick. If Jabari isn't what we think he is, we're screwed anyways.

I can go either way. As with Kohl though, I just want us to pick a direction. I don't want a stopgap PG like Lin or Grevais nor do I want guys like Ersan hanging around here to help us win games. Get Bledsoe and try to be last year's version of the Suns but with real upside or go big for the tank.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Still firmly in the Bledsoe or nothing group. Guys like Lin and Vasquez don't do anything for us when it comes to our ultimate goal of building a legit contender.

[Max Green]

Do you honestly think the Bucks have a chance in hell of signing Bledsoe away from the Suns? I personally don't.

I think people need to throw out preconceived notions of what the Bucks are or are not able to do.

Jason Kidd should've done that.

According to Stein we are already "pitching" Eric Bledsoe on an offer sheet.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/485496057313652737[/tweet]

I don't see any published reports that link any other teams to pitching him.

I'm going to be hopeful until we hear otherwise.

Can someone link the Stein quote ?


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@ESPNSteinLine
In addition to weighing possible trade for Lin, I'm told Bucks are pitching offer sheet to RFA Eric Bledsoe and pursuing PG Greivis Vasquez

[Matches Malone]

I can go either way. As with Kohl though, I just want us to pick a direction. I don't want a stopgap PG like Lin

I'm okay bringing in Lin as long as we get a 1st round pick. Gives you another guard to add to the rotation, he expires after the year and we get an asset. That's what good rebuilding teams do. But I agree. We need a direction. If Kohl was here, we would trade for Lin WITHOUT getting an asset and then re-sign him to a big contract. Glad those days are over.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Why do people keep mentioning that Bledsoe is 24? What does age have to do with anything when the guy will be a free agent in 2018? I don't care if he's 28 or 20.

Because the goal is to get young players who can be your core with upside.

What is your big hang up about a guy becoming a free agent in 2018??? Sorry that's not making a whole lot of sense to me. If your saying that because thats when you think Giannis and Parker will be hitting there primes I'd much rather have a guy that's already been playing with them for an extended period of time versus bringing in someone new and force feeding chemistry

We don't just blindly want guys because they're "young". It's great that Giannis and Parker are young because we have them under control for a long time, at least through 2021 and 2022 respectively (unless they force their way out). They are expected to improve every season over the next several years and their eventual decline isn't expected to begin until over a decade from now. That is why them being young is valuable. I think this team is going to be too bad for Bledsoe to matter in 2015 or 2016 (in fact, his presence even hurts). So by the time Giannis and Parker are hitting their stride (Parker's third season is what I guessed earlier), that gives us two years of Bledsoe left. If Bledsoe becomes a highly sought after superstar, do we really think he would resign here in 2018? And if he's just remains a good player who is resignable, was he really worth it at the max? The window is very small for this deal to be worth it. Not to mention signing an unproven guy to the max when I expect our team to be in the high lottery comes with a lot of opportunity risk.

As you said yourself, you're not hung up on the fact that Bledsoe becomes a free agent in 2018. So why exactly does the fact that he's 24 matter at all? He could just as easily be 28 because 32 is not old.

[paulpressey25]

By the way, for those of you guys who are concerned about Bledsoe not being worth a max deal, that would only happen because of injury (which is a legit risk to consider). On the court last year he grew into a max player.

Bledsoe last season was essentially a 19/5/5 guy on very good TS%, great defense, and he got to the line a ton. He's a massively more valuable player IMO that the one-dimensional guys we've had here in the past like Monta and Redd.

[xTitan]

By the way, for those of you guys who are concerned about Bledsoe not being worth a max deal, that would only happen because of injury (which is a legit risk to consider). On the court last year he grew into a max player.

Bledsoe last season was essentially a 19/5/5 guy on very good TS%, great defense, and he got to the line a ton. He's a massively more valuable player IMO that the one-dimensional guys we've had here in the past like Monta and Redd.

Which is why Pheonix won't let him go, they would match any offer.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Still firmly in the Bledsoe or nothing group. Guys like Lin and Vasquez don't do anything for us when it comes to our ultimate goal of building a legit contender.

I don't want Vasquez and I wouldn't want Lin either except for the fact that he would come with other assets which intrigues me. Lin's contract is done after this year, so it would essentially be buying an extra 1st round pick (or whatever Houston throws in to get rid of the guy).

[Scoops]

Curious, what odds do you have on Mayo, Ersan and Sanders all playing (or not playing) as bad as they did this season?

I would say the odds of them playing close to their level of play last year is much more likely than them returning to their peak levels.

No way.

First off I fully expect Sanders to return to form. He was simply hurt there is no reason he cannot.

Ersan has years of proof that he's a better player and he also was hurt most of the year.

Mayo is the only one that I am not sold that they can or will return to form but my take on him is that he saw us effectively tanking and he started tanking it himself. I think he can return to form its just can he do it here?

Larry is coming off multiple injuries, is a documented headcase, and has problems with the league substance abuse policy. No faith in him.

Ersan put up good numbers on an awful Bucks team in which he was often the tallest guy on the court. He's been extremely overrated and even if he does "return to form" he's just a guy, not at all a significant difference maker.

Mayo blows. Why is anybody talking about Mayo?

[paulpressey25]

Which is why Pheonix won't let him go, they would match any offer.

That's where Kidd comes in. He recruits Bledsoe and gets in his head that Milwaukee has a brighter future now than the Suns along with telling Bledsoe that he'll be the man at PG here in MKE and he won't have to share billing with Dragic. Then Bledsoe goes to his agent and tells him to let Phoenix know that he wants out and they should explore a sign and trade.

The Suns need to either land LeBron and/or Bosh or tank. I just don't buy the idea that the Morris twins and Alex Len are any sort of sustainable contender in the West. I think Hornacek got them to massively over-perform last season in a year when they were supposed to win 22 games and get a top five pick. I just see them maxing out Bledsoe and Dragic and ending up a 42-45 win team in no man's land.

[LUKE23]

Tallest guy on the court? What?

Saying it is likely that Sanders impact is the same next year is absolutely nuts given how last year went for him. It literally was worst case scenario on all fronts.

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