Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[MasterIchiro]

We tried to trade Hendo+24 for Afflalo.

Draft a SG in the first round.

Court the 2 best SG's who are free agents.

Yep I'm just making it up, that we are trying to upgrade at the 2.

We tried to trade Hendo + 24 for Afflalo who can play SG or SF.

Our first free agent meeting is with a player who plays SG or SF (he's 6' 8", taller than MKG).

We worked out TJ Warren and Doug McDermott.

I'd say we're open to upgrades at both positions, but not with certainty.

Hayward is a SG and always has been, he can play SF though.

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Not always.

Hayward started 27 games at SG in 2011-2012 and 31 games at SF.

In 2012-2013 he started 10 games at SG and 17 games at SF.

Last year he started nearly all games at SG and had his worst season.

[Elden Payton]

We tried to trade Hendo + 24 for Afflalo who can play SG or SF.

Our first free agent meeting is with a player who plays SG or SF (he's 6' 8", taller than MKG).

We worked out TJ Warren and Doug McDermott.

I'd say we're open to upgrades at both positions, but not with certainty.

Hayward is a SG and always has been, he can play SF though.

.

Not always.

Hayward started 27 games at SG in 2011-2012 and 31 games at SF.

In 2012-2013 he started 10 games at SG and 17 games at SF.

Last year he started nearly all games at SG and had his worst season.

At this point he's a full-time SG who can play SF.

He always has been a SG, he's listed as a SG/SF.

If he stays in Utah, he'll play SF due to the presence of Burks and Exum.

[mrknowitall215]

No one knows more about our front office than mrknowitall. Thats a fact!

I was laughing my ass off when he fell to 19.

I was really shocked the Kings didn't take Vonleh. Their war room video shows their owner really dominating his advisors and their GM is a total yes-man.

You can laugh if you want. If Vonleh didn't fall, I still believe that Cho would've reached for Harris. Where do you think all of the intel about teams considering Harris a lottery lock come from? Cho has reached for Zeller, so he would've did the same for Harris. Once I seen Vonleh likely to fall on draft day, if you go to the 'draft thread' my antenna was up before most that Cho would take Vonleh at #9 over Harris since Vonleh is moreso 'Cho bait' than Harris. You could almost go to as far as to say that 'I called it', but I'm not looking for no credentials. Just know that Vonleh falling was a blessing without disguise

[MasterIchiro]

Hayward is a SG and always has been, he can play SF though.

.

Not always.

Hayward started 27 games at SG in 2011-2012 and 31 games at SF.

In 2012-2013 he started 10 games at SG and 17 games at SF.

Last year he started nearly all games at SG and had his worst season.

At this point he's a full-time SG who can play SF.

He always has been a SG...

If he stays in Utah, he'll play SF due to the presence of Burks and Exum.

You already said that. It's not true. Hayward has not always been a SG.

[Elden Payton]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

[MasterIchiro]

No one knows more about our front office than mrknowitall. Thats a fact!

I was laughing my ass off when he fell to 19.

I was really shocked the Kings didn't take Vonleh. Their war room video shows their owner really dominating his advisors and their GM is a total yes-man.

You can laugh if you want. If Vonleh didn't fall, I still believe that Cho would've reached for Harris. Where do you think all of the intel about teams considering Harris a lottery lock come from? Cho has reached for Zeller, so he would've did the same for Harris. Once I seen Vonleh likely to fall on draft day, if you go to the 'draft thread' my antenna was up before most that Cho would take Vonleh at #9 over Harris since Vonleh is moreso 'Cho bait' than Harris. You could almost go to as far as to say that 'I called it', but I'm not looking for no credentials. Just know that Vonleh falling was a blessing without disguise

It was all in good fun. I was laughing out of relief. I loved watching Harris drop. Didn't know such a pint-sized player could crash with such a thud.

[Elden Payton]

Not always.

Hayward started 27 games at SG in 2011-2012 and 31 games at SF.

In 2012-2013 he started 10 games at SG and 17 games at SF.

Last year he started nearly all games at SG and had his worst season.

At this point he's a full-time SG who can play SF.

He always has been a SG...

If he stays in Utah, he'll play SF due to the presence of Burks and Exum.

You already said that. It's not true. Hayward has not always been a SG.

He's always played the SG, always.

He plays some at SF too, I said that he can play SF.

He's coming off a season where he played SG.

What is your point?

[catch20two]

Hayward is blah. Alec Burks prolly had more 20 point games.

[MasterIchiro]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

[MasterIchiro]

At this point he's a full-time SG who can play SF.

He always has been a SG...

If he stays in Utah, he'll play SF due to the presence of Burks and Exum.

You already said that. It's not true. Hayward has not always been a SG.

He's always played the SG, always.

He plays some at SF too, I said that he can play SF.

He's coming off a season where he played SG.

What is your point?

He's always played the SF too, always.

He plays some SG too. I will say he can play both.

He's coming off his worst season.

He can definitely play SF so there may be an upgrade there.

That's my point.

[Elden Payton]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

Your assessment is very astute and I agree.

Although Cho made the call on Vonleh and Cho is not stupid.

Vonleh is a no brainer at nine.

[mrknowitall215]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

The only trade bait we had at that point was Zeller. Nobody's legitimately interested in neither or Henderson or Neal

[Elden Payton]

You already said that. It's not true. Hayward has not always been a SG.

He's always played the SG, always.

He plays some at SF too, I said that he can play SF.

He's coming off a season where he played SG.

What is your point?

He's always played the SF too, always.

He plays some SG too. I will say he can play both.

He's coming off his worst season.

He can definitely play SF so there may be an upgrade there.

That's my point.

I wasn't saying he doesn't play SF, I was saying that he's a SG and always has been, yes he plays the 3 at times.

Hayward is not an upgrade at SF imo, signing him for the max and not addressing the biggest need on our team is insane imo.

MKG is our third most important player, and what he does well, is important to the identity of our team.

[MasterIchiro]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

Your assessment is very astute and I agree.

Although Cho made the call on Vonleh and Cho is not stupid.

Vonleh is a no brainer at nine.

He was a no-brainer at 8 imo. But it just hurts that our primary need was ignored because it's still a sore and you know how I feel about lack of shooting.

[Elden Payton]

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

Your assessment is very astute and I agree.

Although Cho made the call on Vonleh and Cho is not stupid.

Vonleh is a no brainer at nine.

He was a no-brainer at 8 imo. But it just hurts that our primary need was ignored because it's still a sore and you know how I feel about lack of shooting.

Draft talent and trade/sign for need.

Cho's MO.

[MasterIchiro]

Your assessment is very astute and I agree.

Although Cho made the call on Vonleh and Cho is not stupid.

Vonleh is a no brainer at nine.

He was a no-brainer at 8 imo. But it just hurts that our primary need was ignored because it's still a sore and you know how I feel about lack of shooting.

Draft talent and trade/sign for need.

Cho's MO.

It's just now the need to trade and/or sign shooting has been amplified so significantly. It's why I think we may be on the brink of offering the max and coughing up MKG. To many it's unthinkable, but that's our situation in my opinion (notice I didn't say I'm certain). If Lance was part of the plan all along, it just seems odd that stuff about Cho being fixated on trades leaked out and sure enough, not too long after, the Hornets announced Hayward's scheduled visit to Charlotte. This was all put into motion as part of a premeditated contingency plan that started when they failed to acquire Afflalo and Vonleh dropped. I think there's a ton of planning and thinking in advance of tomorrow's visit.

[BeesWax]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

The only trade bait we had at that point was Zeller. Nobody's legitimately interested in neither or Henderson or Neal

They have future first and various other things to use. If they really thought he was a top 9 talent he would have been here. As far as he fell there is no way Cho would not have made his move if he really thought the kids was a top tier guy in a draft like this.

[Joest2003]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2120 ... stephenson

[mrknowitall215]

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

The only trade bait we had at that point was Zeller. Nobody's legitimately interested in neither or Henderson or Neal

They have future first and various other things to use. If they really thought he was a top 9 talent he would have been here. As far as he fell there is no way Cho would not have made his move if he really thought the kids was a top tier guy in a draft like this.

Cho got his fixation fix when Vonleh fell to him. There was no need to push the envelope too far only to return it to sender. Clifford wanted a wing with size that could shoot with range, and that's where Hairston came into play, whereas if Cho would've did all of this maneuvering to land his alleged favored prospect in Harris against Clifford's wishes, that would've been a bit distasteful and selfish

[BeesWax]

The only trade bait we had at that point was Zeller. Nobody's legitimately interested in neither or Henderson or Neal

They have future first and various other things to use. If they really thought he was a top 9 talent he would have been here. As far as he fell there is no way Cho would not have made his move if he really thought the kids was a top tier guy in a draft like this.

Cho got his fixation fix when Vonleh fell to him. There was no need to push the envelope too far only to return it to sender. Clifford wanted a wing with size that could shoot with range, and that's where Hairston came into play, whereas if Cho would've did all of this maneuvering to land his alleged favored prospect in Harris against Clifford's wishes, that would've been a bit distasteful and selfish

That is hilarious. If the GM really thought the talent was there he would have done it. Cho didn't like Harris and he wouldn't have taken him. The way you throw smoke screens is sometimes you admit the truth sometimes you lie. This was a truth year and Harris wasn't on our radar like the other wings were.