MeloDrama Part V

[moocow007]

The big deal is it lowers his trade value because he gets to decide where he could get traded. He does not deserve it.

So let him go then. And the Knicks can instead use their great other assets to facilitate deals.

That'd be the perfect scenario, he shouldn''t have his cake and eat it. A player that tries to blackmail his own team doesn't get to play the loyalty card.

Let me know what your address is so I can express mail you one of these...

[Jay10]

Didnt Garnett have a NO Trade clause in Minny and Bos?

[YaMomsEx]

And you guys still not understanding why players don't want to come here? Every freaking little thing and it's a lynch mob.

It is truly insane.

2 eggs short of a omelette

[moocow007]

They have one because they deserve it for being loyal to their teams and taking less money as they got older. Carmelo hasn't done **** as a Knick.

And the big deal is again?

You can't trade him without his consent, even if the Knicks really wanted to.

And the big deal is again? What team is the Knicks going to trade him to if he breaks down (that's everyone's concern right) with that contract? And haven't we learned that no team wants a disgruntled malcontent on their hands (especially at $23-26 million)? All Anthony would have to do is to say he's not going to be happy with a team they may try to move him to for a trade to be caboshed. I mean honestly, Amare Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani doesn't have no-trade clauses in their contracts...why are they still here? RIGHT...cause no one wants to pay tons of money for a guy that's broken. So if Anthony breaks (as some are believing..or even hoping..to prove a point?) who the heck is going to want him no-trade clause or not? Honestly, some of you guys don't think consistently.

[nyknicks8016]

A hint from Alan Hahn?

Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn 1m
#FollowTheMoney

[F N 11]

My co worker just told me Lebron has alot of Nike related stuff upcoming. Including Nike Camp and the world cup. So maybe this will push him for his decision. Which is why He may be meeting with Riley early this week.

[Jay10]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 27s
Still waiting for Carmelo decision. Teams involved in sweepstakes have not heard anything yet this morning.

probably because its 7 am in LA

Agents usually make these calls.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The big deal is it lowers his trade value because he gets to decide where he could get traded. He does not deserve it.

So let him go then. And the Knicks can instead use their great other assets to facilitate deals.

That'd be the perfect scenario, he shouldn''t have his cake and eat it. A player that tries to blackmail his own team doesn't get to play the loyalty card.

Melo wants to have his cake, eat it and wash it down cold milk

[Jay10]

My co worker just told me Lebron has alot of Nike related stuff upcoming. Including Nike Camp and the world cup. So maybe this will push him for his decision. Which is why He may be meeting with Riley early this week.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486144246198849537[/tweet]

[nyknicks8016]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 27s
Still waiting for Carmelo decision. Teams involved in sweepstakes have not heard anything yet this morning.

probably because its 7 am in LA

Agents usually make these calls.

True thats if Melo has already told him his decision...

[Rasho Brezec]

This is the same scenario as with the Bargnani trade, trying to diminish the importance of everything to rationalize a bad move and it always turns out to be false.

"Those draft picks are meaningless, they had to be included to get rid of Novak"

"The no-trade clause is not important, players hate us because of this"

It is a completely distorted line of thinking and it always comes back to haunt us. There is a reason why only 4 players had a no-trade clause last season, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki. They've proven themselves loyal to their teams, they've all won MVP's with them, they've all made them perennial playoff teams and they've all gotten at least to the conference finals with them. Carmelo doesn't meet a single criteria.

[Jay10]

So let him go then. And the Knicks can instead use their great other assets to facilitate deals.

That'd be the perfect scenario, he shouldn''t have his cake and eat it. A player that tries to blackmail his own team doesn't get to play the loyalty card.

Melo wants to have his cake, eat it and wash it down cold milk

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAjZcuhvfB4[/youtube]

[BallSacBounce]

And the big deal is again?

You can't trade him without his consent, even if the Knicks really wanted to.

And the big deal is again? What team is the Knicks going to trade him to if he breaks down (that's everyone's concern right) with that contract? And haven't we learned that no team wants a disgruntled malcontent on their hands (especially at $23-26 million)? All Anthony would have to do is to say he's not going to be happy with a team they may try to move him to for a trade to be caboshed.

The big deal is it hinders our flexibility. He could also ask for extra money to waive it which hinders us further.

If you don't see affecting our flexibility as a big deal then wonderful but whatever.

[Rasho Brezec]

So let him go then. And the Knicks can instead use their great other assets to facilitate deals.

That'd be the perfect scenario, he shouldn''t have his cake and eat it. A player that tries to blackmail his own team doesn't get to play the loyalty card.

Melo wants to have his cake, eat it and wash it down cold milk

Hope it's spoiled.

[moocow007]

This is the same scenario as with the Bargnani trade, trying to diminish the importance of everything to rationalize a bad move and it always turns out to be false.

"Those draft picks are meaningless, they had to be included to get rid of Novak"

"The no-trade clause is not important, players hate us because of this"

It is a completely distorted line of thinking and it always comes back to haunt us. There is a reason why only 4 players had a no-trade clause last season, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki. They've proven themselves loyal to their teams, they've all won MVP's with them, they've all made them perennial playoff teams and they've all gotten at least to the conference finals with them. Carmelo doesn't meet a single criteria.

Bargnani doesn't have a no trade clause so why can't the Knicks trade him? Same with Amare Stoudemire? Exactly...because they are both broken with big contracts. It doesn't need a no trade clause. If Carmelo Anthony breaks, NO ONE is going to trade for him either regardless of whether he has a no-trade clause or not.

And if you are comparing Anthony to Bargnani please see my distorted thinking comment. The Knicks are not trading a thing for Anthony unlike Bargnani and Anthony (even for the most fervent haters...see TKF level) is far better than Bargnani.

[F N 11]

My co worker just told me Lebron has alot of Nike related stuff upcoming. Including Nike Camp and the world cup. So maybe this will push him for his decision. Which is why He may be meeting with Riley early this week.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486144246198849537[/tweet]

I personally would love him back in Cleveland.

[BallSacBounce]

My co worker just told me Lebron has alot of Nike related stuff upcoming. Including Nike Camp and the world cup. So maybe this will push him for his decision. Which is why He may be meeting with Riley early this week.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486144246198849537[/tweet]

It would be a wonderful story to see him go back to Cleveland.

No schadenfreude at all regarding Miami.

[moocow007]

You can't trade him without his consent, even if the Knicks really wanted to.

And the big deal is again? What team is the Knicks going to trade him to if he breaks down (that's everyone's concern right) with that contract? And haven't we learned that no team wants a disgruntled malcontent on their hands (especially at $23-26 million)? All Anthony would have to do is to say he's not going to be happy with a team they may try to move him to for a trade to be caboshed.

The big deal is it hinders our flexibility. He could also ask for extra money to waive it which hinders us further.

If you don't see affecting our flexibility as a big deal then wonderful but whatever.

He can't ask for more money. That would be going around the cap ("hey Carmelo, ask for the no trade clause, we'll give it to you, then we'll ask you to waive it and you tell us to give you $20 million to waive it and we'll do it!!!"). Dear lord the imagination is going wild isn't it. Every dollar Anthony takes hinders his flexibility. So are we back to he should take $10 million and shut up about it already?

[Rasho Brezec]

This is the same scenario as with the Bargnani trade, trying to diminish the importance of everything to rationalize a bad move and it always turns out to be false.

"Those draft picks are meaningless, they had to be included to get rid of Novak"

"The no-trade clause is not important, players hate us because of this"

It is a completely distorted line of thinking and it always comes back to haunt us. There is a reason why only 4 players had a no-trade clause last season, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki. They've proven themselves loyal to their teams, they've all won MVP's with them, they've all made them perennial playoff teams and they've all gotten at least to the conference finals with them. Carmelo doesn't meet a single criteria.

Bargnani doesn't have a no trade clause so why can't the Knicks trade him? Same with Amare Stoudemire? Exactly...because they are both broken with big contracts. It doesn't need a no trade clause. If Carmelo Anthony breaks, NO ONE is going to trade for him either regardless of whether he has a no-trade clause or not.

And if you are comparing Anthony to Bargnani please see my distorted thinking comment. The Knicks are not trade a thing for Bargnani and Anthony (even for the most fervent haters...see TKF level) is far better than Bargnani.

Why does it have to only apply in case he breaks down? What if Phil sees the team is going nowhere which is what will happen with a maxed out Melo and wants to trade him? What if that was his plan from the moment he backtracked and let it out that he's willing to give him a max contract?

I am comparing scenarios in which the Knicks concede more than it is good for them and fans convincing themselves it's okay because they want it to be okay.

[kosmovitelli]

SAS said NY is the front runner, Melo wants a no-trade clause in the contract.

Mentioned Philly as an option to take an Amare/Shump trade for a salary dump.

Mentioned if Bosh opts out, Miami is a possibility. Mentioned Houston, Dallas, LA as still in the mix. Ended it with a "but the Melo I know loves his money."

A no-trade clause can be included in a contract only if the player has already played 8 seasons in the NBA and at least 4 seasons for the team he's signing with. Melo was traded to the Knicks in february 2011 so he played 4 seasons with the Knicks. He can have a no-trade clause but I wouldn't give it to him. He's going too far. A max contract is enough !

If he accepts a reasonable contract (less than $100 mil, approx $20 mil per season) then you may consider offering a no trade clause.

If I was the GM, even if he took less money, I wouldn't include a no-trade clause in the contract. Only Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki have a no-trade clause and all these players received one because they played for the same team their entire career. It's different for KG as he also played for Boston and Brooklyn but he got his no-trade clause when he was playing for Minny.

The only positive about giving a no-trade clause to Melo would be the fact Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki all won a championship...soo maybe it means we'll win one with Melo ! LOL

I made a mistake. After googling it, The Celtics offered Kevin Garnett his no-trade clause (and not Minny) when he signed his new contract in 2012. So it was after winning the championship with them in 2007. He never had a no-trade clause in Minnesota.

Dirk Nowitzki obtained his no-trade clause in july 2010 when he signed his four-year deal worth $80 million. In 2010, he already helped the Mavs reach the NBA Finals in 2006 and it was after 10 consecutive 50-win seasons.

There's absolutely no comparison with Melo. As already said, no reason to cave in and offer him a no-trade clause. No way he deserves one. He's probably just trying to make Phil Jackson eat crow for his comments about the paycut stuff.