Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[Liver_Pooty]

You can laugh if you want. If Vonleh didn't fall, I still believe that Cho would've reached for Harris. Where do you think all of the intel about teams considering Harris a lottery lock come from? Cho has reached for Zeller, so he would've did the same for Harris. Once I seen Vonleh likely to fall on draft day, if you go to the 'draft thread' my antenna was up before most that Cho would take Vonleh at #9 over Harris since Vonleh is moreso 'Cho bait' than Harris. You could almost go to as far as to say that 'I called it', but I'm not looking for no credentials. Just know that Vonleh falling was a blessing without disguise

Please stop trying to act like you know anything about Cho, or anything of that matter. Its getting rather annoying. One would think that you're Rich Cho yourself trying to troll us or something. Its getting ridiculous. We worked Harris out what? one time?

The most celebrated psychic in American history is actually a Southerner, born and raised in Kentucky. His name is Edgar Cayce. And he lived long before mass communications could elevate someone in 15 minutes to millions, when rural areas were very isolated. He actually lived very poor and refused to accept money until his wife forced him to. There is an institute in VA Beach dedicated to him and there are tens of thousands of volumes of his readings, including documentation, testimonials from satisfied subjects. In one scene of his biography, he even helped find an oil well and he helped a stock trader make millions.

How do you know MrKnowItAll is not the Yankee equivalent of Edgar Cayce, or Cayce himself reincarnated?

Lol. You made me google Edgar Cayce and read about him. Thanks again for another night of education.

[mrknowitall215]

Please stop trying to act like you know anything about Cho, or anything of that matter. Its getting rather annoying. One would think that you're Rich Cho yourself trying to troll us or something. Its getting ridiculous. We worked Harris out what? one time?

Please stop trying to act like you know for certain that I'm wrong when you don't know nothing either. I'm just on here making a hypothesis. I could care less if you sensitive posters feel some type of way about me thinking I know what direction Cho may be leaning. I never stated any such thing as my belief being a fact. It's just a guess. Move on...

And your guess, or "hypothesis" was way wrong. Thinking we were going to draft Gary Harris when he was taken at 19. We are all allowed our opinions, and I myself am way more wrong than right, but the way you talk in absolutes and such is just annoying. And Im not the first poster to touch on the matter. Its definitely not sensitivity , lol.

Thats all Ill speak on the subject.

Anyways, im not even sure if Lance Stephenson is on our radar.

Out of all of the subjects to tackle in my previous post, which one did you decide to touch basis with? I'll just let that be. I'm not the one allowing it to linger...and I wasn't way wrong. I said that Harris would fall if not selected by Cho since he's the only GM that I could've seen being infatuated by him, and I said that if Vonleh fell to #9 then I'm for certain that Cho would have to bite. Let that be too...

Anywho, I don't have any hunch on Stephenson outside of thinking that Jordan might like him and Cho doesn't. You can take that and run with it too

You're a psychic now too? You just said that you don't think Stephenson is on our radar

[MasterIchiro]

Please stop trying to act like you know anything about Cho, or anything of that matter. Its getting rather annoying. One would think that you're Rich Cho yourself trying to troll us or something. Its getting ridiculous. We worked Harris out what? one time?

The most celebrated psychic in American history is actually a Southerner, born and raised in Kentucky. His name is Edgar Cayce. And he lived long before mass communications could elevate someone in 15 minutes to millions, when rural areas were very isolated. He actually lived very poor and refused to accept money until his wife forced him to. There is an institute in VA Beach dedicated to him and there are tens of thousands of volumes of his readings, including documentation, testimonials from satisfied subjects. In one scene of his biography, he even helped find an oil well and he helped a stock trader make millions.

How do you know MrKnowItAll is not the Yankee equivalent of Edgar Cayce, or Cayce himself reincarnated?

Lol. You made me google Edgar Cayce and read about him. Thanks again for another night of education.

Be mindful of that rabbit hole. You'll find yourself lost at the dark corners of the internets, accompanied by conspiracy kooks of all sorts. I like to stick to the basics when it comes to the esoteric, if that is possible. I once held a job at a library, 5 years. An old southern lady recommended "There Is A River". The biography is was put together by someone who lived long enough ago to know the Cayce family and is supported by interviews with relatives by information gathered from them. It's one of those older books written at a time again before sensationalism could be capitalized through media. Media was to slow and books tended to be written more true to the reality of their topics. So don't go to the Internet, go to musty, smelly stale paper. Read "There Is A River". And if that doesn't compel you of the marvels of MrKnowItAll's psychic abilities, I don't know what else will. He is a prophet.

[Liver_Pooty]

Please stop trying to act like you know for certain that I'm wrong when you don't know nothing either. I'm just on here making a hypothesis. I could care less if you sensitive posters feel some type of way about me thinking I know what direction Cho may be leaning. I never stated any such thing as my belief being a fact. It's just a guess. Move on...

And your guess, or "hypothesis" was way wrong. Thinking we were going to draft Gary Harris when he was taken at 19. We are all allowed our opinions, and I myself am way more wrong than right, but the way you talk in absolutes and such is just annoying. And Im not the first poster to touch on the matter. Its definitely not sensitivity , lol.

Thats all Ill speak on the subject.

Anyways, im not even sure if Lance Stephenson is on our radar.

Out of all of the subjects to tackle in my previous post, which one did you decide to touch basis with? I'll just let that be. I'm not the one allowing it to linger...and I wasn't way wrong. I said that Harris would fall if not selected by Cho since he's the only GM that I could've seen being infatuated by him, and I said that if Vonleh fell to #9 then I'm for certain that Cho would have to bite. Let that be too...

Anywho, I don't have any hunch on Stephenson outside of thinking that Jordan might like him and Cho doesn't. You can take that and run with it too

You're a psychic now too? You just said that you don't think Stephenson is on our radar

Im pretty sure I said Im not for certain if Stephenson is on our radar, but you take that as however you want it. For all I know talks may break down with Hayward tomorrow or Tuesday and we offer him 12 million over 4 years.

[MasterIchiro]

Anywho, I don't have any hunch on Stephenson outside of thinking that Jordan might like him and Cho doesn't. You can take that and run with it too

Yes. Yes. YES!!! And when should I buy my next $5 scratch off ticket, $2,500/week for life???

[Liver_Pooty]

I've never understood why people say Jordan may like someone and Cho doesn't. or Jordan liked Walker and Cho didn't, or Cho liked Biyombo and Jordan didn't. The only thing I have ever seen reported by "sources", was that Jordan was uneasy on the Zeller pick, and even that was iffy.

No one knows who a Jordan guy is, and no one really knows who a Cho guy is. For all we know Hairston may have been the ultimate Cho guy and he just knocked a highschooler upside his head.

For all we know Stephenson might be the ultimate Cho guy but Jordan might not want to spend millions on a head case.

Fact is that none of us know jack sh*t what kind of players either one of them really want at any given time.

[therebirth]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

I read on twitter that Rod Higgins was in the kings war room. He was part of the advisors. Anybody saw this?

[MasterIchiro]

Well Jordan doesn't evaluate a player the same way Cho does. Cho has to take more data into account in his calculations. Jordan goes by the eye test. He is a basketball player not an attorney gathering evidence methodically like Cho. Jordan, like us, see an immense talent in Lance imo but Cho has his analytics and has to consider cap space and number crunching and character issues and the culture he's in charge of building. I do think Cho would have to talk down MJ from Lance and get Clifford + Al to help Cho shift Jordan towards Hayward, whose game is also picturesque to the eye test.

[MasterIchiro]

As soon as Vonleh was available at 9, everyone was pretty certain he would be Cho's guy.

I agree with MKIA that Gary "BOB" Harris would have been a good pick at 9, if Vonleh wasn't available.

Jdm made a good point that if we loved Harris so much we would have traded up from 24 once he fell out of the lottery and 19 is not too far from 24. Cho's case for Harris got shattered with his measurements. Clifford was all about size size size though through the whole process He must have felt relieved to see Vonleh fall as well. The Kings analytics team had him rated 3rd in the draft but they identified the Kings need for passing and defense and alluded to concerns Vonleh would not create enough assists per position as a PF on that team which seemed a weird standard to hold him to, yet they didn't really hammer Stauskas on defense. It seemed Payton was the ideal combination of defense and passing but the coach wanted more shooting and the owner sealed the vote. He was like, let's take a vote, I vote Stauskas before he even let his advisors and GM voice their own votes. He jumped right out in front. Then when he called up Stauskas he had everyone in the war room chant 'nik rocks' I wanted to vomit.

I read on twitter that Rod Higgins was in the kings war room. He was part of the advisors. Anybody saw this?

Oh God. That has me feeling ill. He F*CKED us.

[mrknowitall215]

I've never understood why people say Jordan may like someone and Cho doesn't. or Jordan liked Walker and Cho didn't, or Cho liked Biyombo and Jordan didn't. The only thing I have ever seen reported by "sources", was that Jordan was uneasy on the Zeller pick, and even that was iffy.

No one knows who a Jordan guy is, and no one really knows who a Cho guy is. For all we know Hairston may have been the ultimate Cho guy and he just knocked a highschooler upside his head.

For all we know Stephenson might be the ultimate Cho guy but Jordan might not want to spend millions on a head case.

Fact is that none of know jack sh*t what kind of players either one of them really want at any given time.

Regarding Jordan possibly favoring Stephenson, there's been multiple rumored reports that Jordan (not Cho) will meet with Stephenson. That's like writing on the wall to assume, not just jack sh#t being thrown around

[Liver_Pooty]

I've never understood why people say Jordan may like someone and Cho doesn't. or Jordan liked Walker and Cho didn't, or Cho liked Biyombo and Jordan didn't. The only thing I have ever seen reported by "sources", was that Jordan was uneasy on the Zeller pick, and even that was iffy.

No one knows who a Jordan guy is, and no one really knows who a Cho guy is. For all we know Hairston may have been the ultimate Cho guy and he just knocked a highschooler upside his head.

For all we know Stephenson might be the ultimate Cho guy but Jordan might not want to spend millions on a head case.

Fact is that none of know jack sh*t what kind of players either one of them really want at any given time.

Regarding Jordan possibly favoring Stephenson, there's been multiple rumored reports that Jordan (not Cho) will meet with Stephenson. That's like writing on the wall to assume, not just jack sh#t being thrown around

There's a lot of 2-way streets that

The main tweet off of that whole story was off of an unreliable guy who does Vegas odds. There were no main writers or sources reporting that.

Edit: If there is a meeting with Stephenson, Im assuming Jordan will be there.

[mrknowitall215]

I've never understood why people say Jordan may like someone and Cho doesn't. or Jordan liked Walker and Cho didn't, or Cho liked Biyombo and Jordan didn't. The only thing I have ever seen reported by "sources", was that Jordan was uneasy on the Zeller pick, and even that was iffy.

No one knows who a Jordan guy is, and no one really knows who a Cho guy is. For all we know Hairston may have been the ultimate Cho guy and he just knocked a highschooler upside his head.

For all we know Stephenson might be the ultimate Cho guy but Jordan might not want to spend millions on a head case.

Fact is that none of know jack sh*t what kind of players either one of them really want at any given time.

Regarding Jordan possibly favoring Stephenson, there's been multiple rumored reports that Jordan (not Cho) will meet with Stephenson. That's like writing on the wall to assume, not just jack sh#t being thrown around

There's a lot of 2-way streets that

The main tweet off of that whole story was off of an unreliable guy who does Vegas odds. There were no main writers or sources reporting that.

Edit: If there is a meeting with Stephenson, Im assuming Jordan will be there.

You haven't been paying attention then. ESPN has reported Jordan's desire in Stephenson as well

[Liver_Pooty]

Regarding Jordan possibly favoring Stephenson, there's been multiple rumored reports that Jordan (not Cho) will meet with Stephenson. That's like writing on the wall to assume, not just jack sh#t being thrown around

There's a lot of 2-way streets that

The main tweet off of that whole story was off of an unreliable guy who does Vegas odds. There were no main writers or sources reporting that.

Edit: If there is a meeting with Stephenson, Im assuming Jordan will be there.

You haven't been paying attention then. ESPN has reported Jordan's desire in Stephenson as well

Been paying plenty of attention. I never said Jordan didn't "desire" Stephenson, the whole organization may want him, but they're going to pay the Hayward card our first and let the market settle for Stephenson. Assuming they're still interested.

[mrknowitall215]

The main tweet off of that whole story was off of an unreliable guy who does Vegas odds. There were no main writers or sources reporting that.

Edit: If there is a meeting with Stephenson, Im assuming Jordan will be there.

You haven't been paying attention then. ESPN has reported Jordan's desire in Stephenson as well

Been paying plenty of attention. I never said Jordan didn't "desire" Stephenson, the whole organization may want him, but they're going to pay the Hayward card our first and let the market settle for Stephenson. Assuming they're still interested.

I would love to know the sensibility in pursuing Hayward if the Jazz are willing to match any offer short of the max and the Suns being heavily interested as well. It might just be for show & leverage

[MasterIchiro]

You haven't been paying attention then. ESPN has reported Jordan's desire in Stephenson as well

Been paying plenty of attention. I never said Jordan didn't "desire" Stephenson, the whole organization may want him, but they're going to pay the Hayward card our first and let the market settle for Stephenson. Assuming they're still interested.

I would love to know the sensibility in pursuing Hayward if the Jazz are willing to match any offer short of the max and the Suns being heavily interested as well. It might just be for show & leverage

No because I think Big Al's in on it and sincerely wants to reunite with Hayward and the front office likes that combination having ample data on how it translates.

[NCHeels2008]

I would much prefer Lance at 10/11 a year than Hayward at the max (15?16?)

[LofJ]

You haven't been paying attention then. ESPN has reported Jordan's desire in Stephenson as well

Been paying plenty of attention. I never said Jordan didn't "desire" Stephenson, the whole organization may want him, but they're going to pay the Hayward card our first and let the market settle for Stephenson. Assuming they're still interested.

I would love to know the sensibility in pursuing Hayward if the Jazz are willing to match any offer short of the max and the Suns being heavily interested as well. It might just be for show & leverage

This is what I'm hoping. I don't understand the reasoning behind giving up assets to sign a restricted free agent when you you don't have to give up anything to sign an unrestricted free agent. That's the number one reason why I want Stephenson more than Hayward. If the Jazz are willing to take Henderson and Zeller back (I doubt it) as compensation for not matching, that changes things though.

[chabber]

Throw the Mavs into the ring. He also has no mention of the Hornets anymore. I believe he was the only one throwing our name out there at ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11184 ... ent-market

[LofJ]

Throw the Mavs into the ring. He also has no mention of the Hornets anymore. I believe he was the only one throwing our name out there at ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11184 ... ent-market

Dammit, we're getting another season of Henderson starting aren't we?

[Bassman]

Throw the Mavs into the ring. He also has no mention of the Hornets anymore. I believe he was the only one throwing our name out there at ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11184 ... ent-market

Dammit, we're getting another season of Henderson starting aren't we?

Hope we are way under the radar on Lance. It is foolish to not take the oppose to meet with him while everyone else is fawning over the divas. Hayward pursuit is stupid. We have to overpay AND trade assets IF,....IF they are willing to do a sign and trade.