MeloDrama Part V

[Jay10]

This is the same scenario as with the Bargnani trade, trying to diminish the importance of everything to rationalize a bad move and it always turns out to be false.

"Those draft picks are meaningless, they had to be included to get rid of Novak"

"The no-trade clause is not important, players hate us because of this"

It is a completely distorted line of thinking and it always comes back to haunt us. There is a reason why only 4 players had a no-trade clause last season, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki. They've proven themselves loyal to their teams, they've all won MVP's with them, they've all made them perennial playoff teams and they've all gotten at least to the conference finals with them. Carmelo doesn't meet a single criteria.

just playing devil's advocate here. Wouldn't passing up on current better winning situations like Houston and Chicago being showing loyalty to the knicks?

Both of those teams need help to acquire him.

[ag3]

People are waiting around on pins and needles for a guy who didn't even make the playoffs last year this isn't bron who changes the balance of power and automatically makes u a contender..I don't see why if he left anyone would be that crushed he's not Ewing or anything who had us win 50 plus every year if he leaves you'll get over it

He' made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons in the league...

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

He played in a Western Conference where the Spurs and Lakers also played.
No one was beating those teams.

[moocow007]

People are waiting around on pins and needles for a guy who didn't even make the playoffs last year this isn't bron who changes the balance of power and automatically makes u a contender..I don't see why if he left anyone would be that crushed he's not Ewing or anything who had us win 50 plus every year if he leaves you'll get over it

He' made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons in the league...

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

So CP3 is crap as well right? Same with Kevin Love? Lamarcus Aldridge? Crap? Wait...let me guess...they have excuses?

[god shammgod]

what about the cake tho ? #nykfatboyvoice

[Bob Ross]

And Patrick Ewing would have deserved one.

Patrick did have a no trade clause. He gave the Knicks a list of teams he would waive it for in a trade. Seattle was one

So Ewing, with a no trade clause, was traded after all? Hmmm...interesting.

I believe Ewing would have also approved of a trade to Portland (who was thick in the championship contention as well at the time and offering what would have been a better eventual package). <-- this is the response for anyone that starts coming with the "but look what we got for him" diatribe.

I don't remember what other teams were on that list, but I remember seeing a list of teams printed in the paper during that month before the trade. I don't remember what the league was like or who else was good; I
really only cared about the Atlantic Division. If I remember correctly though, it wasn't a really short list. Like 8 teams or something

[god shammgod]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 48s

Phil Jackson on hiring Rambis to coach with Fisher: "“The three of us are similar in our philosophies and our approach to the game.”

stop bullsh*tting phil, nobody cares about signing this motherf*cker right now

[Mr Rabbit]

Knicks officially hired Rambis as associate head coach. I wonder if he asked for a no trade clause?

Nope, but he took less money so we could sign that top water boy.

Hmmm...

Rambis takes paycut, Knicks hire best waterboy on the market, Lebron is prone to dehydration and cramping...

It's happening.

[moocow007]

Patrick did have a no trade clause. He gave the Knicks a list of teams he would waive it for in a trade. Seattle was one

So Ewing, with a no trade clause, was traded after all? Hmmm...interesting.

I believe Ewing would have also approved of a trade to Portland (who was thick in the championship contention as well at the time and offering what would have been a better eventual package). <-- this is the response for anyone that starts coming with the "but look what we got for him" diatribe.

I don't remember what other teams were on that list, but I remember seeing a list of teams printed in the paper during that month before the trade. I don't remember what the league was like or who else was good; I
really only cared about the Atlantic Division. If I remember correctly though, it wasn't a really short list. Like 8 teams or something

Yep that was what I recall. I just recall that there were rumors about Portland being interested and offering up a package that probably would have ended up being better for the Knicks in the long run (included a young Jermaine Oneal).

[BallSacBounce]

What's best for the team is: a) having Carmelo Anthony or b) not having him cause you got a stick up your but about a no trade clause. What do you think is best if the money doesn't matter? Think about it. Cool down, let the testosterone level a bit, and think about it.

First answer the question at what price. That dictates everything else. Because the money always matters.

Really you're asking the wrong guy because to me this looks everything like a typical Yankee signing where they hire the veteran at max dollars and everything looks great for a few years until they break down. I think years four and five will be hideous for us.

The problem here is that Phil Jackson is not going to take the time it would take the Yankees to rebuild. It's why the Yankees haven't when they should have started (what the Yankees could use is a MLB version of Jackson instead of their current FO who's made a muck of things for years now). Like I've said, my preference would have been for a rebuild. That was BEFORE Phil Jackson took control. Situations change. Jackson isn't going to rebuild, he might literally drop dead before it happens. Nor do you bring in Jackson to rebuild. So given circumstances the way they are, it's now in the best interests of the Knicks to bring Anthony back. And I would expect (hope?) that the expected significant salary cap increase in the next year or two will leverage and ease whatever contract they resign him to. OBVIOUSLY I wish he would take $10 million a year and whatever...but reality isn't fantasy. Whatever he signs for, let's hope for some break for the Knicks...but again...a no trade clause shouldn't be the show stopper.

Overall that's very fair regarding Phil's situation vis a vis Melo's situation and the effects of the new CBA.

If Carmelo was 28 and injury free I would feel a lot better about offering a max but he's not. That's not a show stopper for me but it is mitigating what I would feel comfortable offering him.

[EricAnderson]

He' made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons in the league...

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

So CP3 is crap as well right? Same with Kevin Love? Lamarcus Aldridge? Crap? Wait...let me guess...they have excuses?

I never called any of them franchise players either

[duetta]

The reason that you don't give Anthony the no-trade is because it significantly reduces management's flexability going forward. At some point people have to decide if they root for a player (like Chitown or MoneyMitch) or they root for a team. I root fot the team. I want our management to have maximum flexibility going forward - especially if Anthony does not buy into the triangle or prove an ideal fit within Jackson's scheme.

[Greenie]

So let him go then. And the Knicks can instead use their great other assets to facilitate deals.

That'd be the perfect scenario, he shouldn''t have his cake and eat it. A player that tries to blackmail his own team doesn't get to play the loyalty card.

Melo wants to have his cake, eat it and wash it down cold milk

What's the issue?

[liknicks7]

I'm not worried about Melo falling off the map at the end of his contract because he has a great jumpshot and post game, both things translate well to longevity. He's not flying around like Wade and we ever stop making him guard PF/C all the damn time and playing 44 minutes per game he wont have shoulder injuries etc.

[Bob Ross]

So Ewing, with a no trade clause, was traded after all? Hmmm...interesting.

I believe Ewing would have also approved of a trade to Portland (who was thick in the championship contention as well at the time and offering what would have been a better eventual package). <-- this is the response for anyone that starts coming with the "but look what we got for him" diatribe.

I don't remember what other teams were on that list, but I remember seeing a list of teams printed in the paper during that month before the trade. I don't remember what the league was like or who else was good; I
really only cared about the Atlantic Division. If I remember correctly though, it wasn't a really short list. Like 8 teams or something

Yep that was what I recall. I just recall that there were rumors about Portland being interested and offering up a package that probably would have ended up being better for the Knicks in the long run (included a young Jermaine Oneal).

Man, what could have been. I was a sophmore in high school when it all went down and with my young, naive mind, I still thought the return on that trade was complete crap right from the get go. Then it only got worse when Rice was traded. I've always been of the opinion that NBA guys that run teams are infinitely smarter and have more vision than I as a fan, but christ those where horrendous moves and everyone knew it.

Sorry for going off topic

[god shammgod]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

[NOOB77]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

See now I see why Phil is pushing for that pay cut he needs to pay his coaches top dollar...

[DE FENSE]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

What's the difference between associate and assistant. ..?

[moocow007]

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

So CP3 is crap as well right? Same with Kevin Love? Lamarcus Aldridge? Crap? Wait...let me guess...they have excuses?

I never called any of them franchise players either

So what we should do is either only sign Lebron James or Kevin Durant OR not sign anyone else to the max they can get from someone else? So what are your expectations for Shumpert and Hardaway again? Who besides Lebron and Durant are franchise players then?

[blumatic]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

What this mean though?

[god shammgod]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

What's the difference between associate and assistant. ..?

what they write on your business card