Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

LUKE23 · Post #741 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:58 pm

Also, you're not even paying Parker on his second deal until Bledsoe is up. By then, Sanders is also expired, and the vet contracts are all gone. Our cap is in fine shape to re-configure the roster a ton after the Bledsoe deal. Personally, I think a Bledsoe/Giannis/Parker/Sanders core murders. That's top 8 in defense annually, and then offensively it still has a good amount of potential as well. Put a floor spacing low usage guy at SG.

JEIS · Post #742 » by **JEIS** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:59 pm

If the Bucks were trying to make this happen, wouldn't it have been more advantageous to sign him the first or second day of free agency if it were a max contract that was being discussed? or can they not really even sign an offer sheet until the 10th?

Kerb Hohl · Post #743 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:00 pm

We also have billionaire owners now. I don't know if they're going to go all Cuban or Nyets type money, but if you get this guy's slot on the roster, you have the ability to retain him down the road if the Giannis/Bledsoe/Parker thing is great.

If Bledsoe is the black sheep of the group, you can flip his contract for another guy that may need a change of scenery. Maybe somebody gives you an underpaid, stud vet guard and a bloated contract in return for Bledsoe's shorter deal. Something like that.

It was much harder to dump those deals when you realized Redd wasn't worth it and had 5 years left. By the end of year 2 with Bledsoe, it's not impossible to deal a guy with 2/30 left on his deal.

HurricaneKid · Post #744 » by **HurricaneKid** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:02 pm

I have been all aboard the Bledsoe bandwagon since before last year. But this IS a year too early and I am more than a little concerned about his injury history. Even when he was just a CP3 backup he was quite injury prone. He is a blast to watch and would love to see someone with his athleticism leading the Giannis/Parker break.

But I'm not certain this plays out perfectly. He can't shoot a lick. With Giannis, et al (all the other poor shooters) it is a problematic hole.

They better get some nice pieces for Lin, but if they do that would be a perfect stopgap. Have the WallSt guys choke down $15M to get a few assets and to keep the team without a rudder for one more year to get another high end prospect. Then let it build organically.

JayMKE · Post #745 » by **JayMKE** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:05 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Also, you're not even paying Parker on his second deal until Bledsoe is up. By then, Sanders is also expired, and the vet contracts are all gone. Our cap is in fine shape to re-configure the roster a ton after the Bledsoe deal. Personally, I think a Bledsoe/Giannis/Parker/Sanders core murders. That's top 8 in defense annually, and then offensively it still has a good amount of potential as well. Put a floor spacing low usage guy at SG.

I've thought about this team quite a bit

put a guy like a Wes Matthews at 2 and it would so good

averageposter · Post #746 » by **averageposter** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:06 pm

JEIS wrote:If the Bucks were trying to make this happen, wouldn't it have been more advantageous to sign him the first or second day of free agency if it were a max contract that was being discussed? or can they not really even sign an offer sheet until the 10th?

They can't sign until then and on a RFA you probably don't want to give the team he's leaving more time than the match period to think about it. Probably be advantageous if all of Free agency is held hostage (James and the others) until we can offer Bledsoe a deal.

ILikeBigBucks · Post #747 » by **ILikeBigBucks** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:08 pm

They are already chipping in 100 million for an arena. Isn't asking them to eat another 15 million for lin kind of obsessive. They should just go with wolters and whoever they can get for cheap to back him up.

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machu46 · Post #748 » by **machu46** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:13 pm

I can live with taking Lin's expiring deal if he comes with other assets. He's pretty fun to watch even if he isn't that great and it's just one year. If they're willing to pay for him so be it.

LUKE23 · Post #749 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:23 pm

For the people that want to wait, what guards do you want to target in FA or the draft next year? Lets just assume that teams aren't going to trade their good young point guards.

htr · Post #750 » by **htr** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:28 pm

LUKE23 wrote:For the people that want to wait, what guards do you want to target in FA or the draft next year? Lets just assume that teams aren't going to trade their good young point guards.

I'd rather get Bledsoe, Luke, but I'd probably look to Utah if all else fails. Burke would likely be cheaper than getting Exum, but I'd rather have Exum.

PGs do come out of nowhere a bit in the NCAAs too. Just being an optimist here. Count me in on going all in on Bledsoe.

All that said, we probably should have another thread on other pgs since this thread is all Bledsoe now. I'd like to hear some thoughts on assets we could get for taking on Jack and/or Lin.

LedZepp007 · Post #751 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:29 pm

I miss buckpack

bigkurty · Post #752 » by **bigkurty** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:29 pm

JayMKE wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Also, you're not even paying Parker on his second deal until Bledsoe is up. By then, Sanders is also expired, and the vet contracts are all gone. Our cap is in fine shape to re-configure the roster a ton after the Bledsoe deal. Personally, I think a Bledsoe/Giannis/Parker/Sanders core murders. That's top 8 in defense annually, and then offensively it still has a good amount of potential as well. Put a floor spacing low usage guy at SG.

I've thought about this team quite a bit

put a guy like a Wes Matthews at 2 and it would so good

That would be nice. Another guy who is not as good but also less expensive, has low usage, and can hit threes and looks pretty good on advanced stats is Courtney Lee. Could use him as a 2-3 year guy until his replacement is found but he would fit in well in the short term I believe. Although if Carlos Delfino can be as good as he was a few years ago, he can be almost the same thing so not sure Lee would actually be worth trying to acquire.

LUKE23 · Post #753 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:30 pm

I'm not big on Trey Burke being an impact guy, so not in agreement there.

As for Lin, the only asset I'm really interested in is the Pelicans 1st. Their 1st will be 25 or later, and their prospects are pretty meh. Canaan stinks. I would take Capela off their hands but that also just adds to the frontcourt logjam.

raferfenix · Post #754 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:34 pm

I think one of the biggest reasons why Bledsoe would want to come here would be to learn the PG position under Kidd.

Of course he has a good thing going on in Phoenix and that team is well positioned to make some noise in the years to come. But unless they would choose him over Dragic, Bledsoe wouldn't ever really be the primary PG there.

Not sure if that matters at all to him though.

Bledsoe might think he would be better off in more of a combo guard role shooting first over creating for teammates. If that's the case my interest in committing to him would decrease as well.

Siefer · Post #755 » by **Siefer** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:39 pm

I hope we pull the trigger on a max offer (of course I'm assuming we have a plan for shedding the needed salary). The cap is going up, our cap is actually in fine shape given when we need things to come off the books, and I think Bledsoe fits beautifully on this team.

Our worst case scenario is that Bledsoe gets seriously injured, but that's everyone's worst case. The more realistic worst case is that Giannis and/or Parker aren't as good as we think they are, and the team plateaus well short of contender status. That's a reasonable concern, but even in that case, Bledsoe will still be relatively easy to move for value. The downsides to going for this are a lot less than some folks think.

Rockmaninoff · Post #756 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:39 pm

skones wrote:
Rockmaninoff wrote:Interesting company to say the least...

Oh please. Remember when You could do the same thing with Mo Williams numbers?

Where is Mo on that list? Are you talking about his outlier season at age 24 where he didn't meet the parameters?

Bledsoe's per 36 numbers are pretty constant through his four seasons. Bledsoe is 100x a better athlete and defender than Williams. Nice try though.

White+Purple · Post #757 » by **White+Purple** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:42 pm

LUKE23 wrote:For the people that want to wait, what guards do you want to target in FA or the draft next year? Lets just assume that teams aren't going to trade their good young point guards.

Either a guard goes from 20th-30th best prospect to top-3 like Embiid did this draft, or you go two-deep at one of the other positions and if you end up with two starters at the same position you trade for a guard.

raferfenix · Post #758 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:43 pm

We haven't been rumored to be in connection to him but I could see the Bucks going with Jarrett Jack as a temporary starting PG if the Cavs provide us a solid asset for our trouble.

Remember reading that Kidd wanted to trade for him but was turned down by King.

jimmybones · Post #759 » by **jimmybones** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:45 pm

MetroDrugUnit wrote:So what if we woulda made the trade for Bledsoe a year ago?

We probably wouldn't have Jabari. But, how is that relevant to this scenario, where we do have Jabari?

RRyder823 · Post #760 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:49 pm

skones wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:Talent is talent and we need it badly. The only issue IMO with FA is having to overpay, especially if you're the Bucks, so you can only use FA so often. You must draft well. We've got our guys to get behind from the draft, in a couple of years we will know how that worked out.

Right. So don't handcuff yourself before you have any idea of what they are.

Your not handcuffed anymore then you are then if you don't go after Bledsoe. Even if you get your wish and we end up picking #1 overall next year your handcuffed to that player for the forseable future without knowing how good he really is and hoping he'll be as good as Bledsoe while doing the same with Giannis and Jabari. And if by "handcuffing" you mean the Bucks won't be able to make a push in the next 2-3 years for a player similar to Bledsoe then it should be pointed out players as young as Bledsoe with the upside he has don't hit the market very often..... If you think they're available every year fine... I think your wrong on that assumption but that's your opinion.

Also even if the worst happens and both Jabari and Giannis end up being busts the Bucks are already going to be locked in on them for at least the next 4 years before anyone in the orginization gives up on either one of them. If they sign Bledsoe to a 4 year max deal yes we're locked in for the next 4 years but not anymore so then we are now with the players we have already. One way or another we are banking on at least one of Jabari/Giannis to turn into a superstar and the other to at least be an all-star with 4 years. Anything less and this team is still in seriouse trouble when it coms to competing with or without Bledsoe.

I'm sure the response will be if both Jabri and Giannis bust then at least we'll still be a bottom dweller team anyways so woot top3 picks here we come..... I don't think that's the way to build a team.... We already have one player picked in the top 2 of a draft and another that if there was a redraft done would very possibly go #1 overall.... You have to believe in your players and not assume they're going to fail in the long run as so many are worried about

So if your worried about us be locked in on a Bledsoe/Giannis/Parker lineup for the next 4 years if we were to pick him up all I can say is as of right now without him we're still locked in on Ginnis/Parker/And whoever we draft next year IF we're bad enough or IF a similarly comparable player to Bledsoe ever ends up being available. One way or another we're locked in with at least Giannis and Parker for the next 4 years. IF we can get Bledsoe i'll take that over the hope we'll find somebody just as good in the future