MeloDrama Part VI

[DaGawd]

>Wake up
>Checks phone immediately
>Still no news

[VirginiaKnickFan]

This shyt over yet?

I thought something would have been announced this morning.

[Bob Ross]

Looking like it's the Mavs now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SprungOnSports/status/486181029515100161[/tweet]

THE FIRST DOMINO FALLS

[F N 11]

Looking like it's the Mavs now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SprungOnSports/status/486181029515100161[/tweet]

The Mavs can have JR also, no charge.

They have no need for Melo now. They got the Gawdd himeself

[DowNY]

Looking like it's the Mavs now.

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West gets stronger

[delvec19]

>Wake up
>Checks phone immediately
>Still no news

Waking up at 12:30? Must be nice.

[suicidedeuce]

While you have the pulse of the people? I don't think you give Knicks fans enough credit. We've put up through the Layden years and the Thomas years in succession and still filled the seats so your presumption that Knicks fans somehow can't stomach a rebuild is evidently false.

I don't have the pulse if anyone. I have empirical evidence. I have no interest in trying to get you to 'believe' me. Google stories about MSG's ratings after Melo was acquired. Google how the Knicks suddently became an attractive NATIONAL TV player whereas they weren't in previous years. National TV exposure it a big deal.

Consider even 2 or 4 home postseason date and 5 to 12 total postseason games provide programming opportunities that woudnt otherwise exist. Do you understand the implication of selling out just ONE postseason MSG game at postsseason ticket prices versus not?

I don't argue the KNicks can't remain a lucrative enterprise during down years, but let's not make the mistake of pretending it's not relevant when there is a choice between the two methods of rebuilding.

You also over emphasize the lack of a 2016 pick when the moment Melo leaves, we will for sure be converting some of our excess cap space into draft picks much in the way other teams have done to facilitate free agent signings. We will be attempting to find diamonds in the rough through lower tier signings and our own young players and give them playing time, which will in turn increase their value and provide another potential avenue of obtaining draft picks.

"Attempting" being the keyword there and giving young players more playing time doesn't by default increase their value, it could also expose them for being marginal players.

You're framing the "rebuild" as all the variables going in a direction favorable to the Knicks, and choosing to dismiss the lack of a 2016 first rounder and I'm sorry, its hard to take your version of the rebuild in a serious comparison between the Knicks options.

Yes, if we're going to ASSUME the KNicks rebuild goes swimmingly and we're also going to assume the Knicks free agency rebuild does badly, the choice is clear.

But a discussion in which both of those things are actual unknown variables is a very different discussion.

I can acknowledge BOTH paths can fail. If you're going to gloss over the limitations of the rebuild without a 2014 and 2016 first rounder there is no common ground for us to discuss.

Everything in your post sounds like defeatism and making excuses in preparation for the inevitable that we will likely bring back Melo at the full max,which as others have noted, we will just have to grin and bear.

Well, you WILL have to bear it if you're a Knicks fan because you and I don't have a say. Up to you if you want to grin when being a Knicks fan is supposed to be a recreational pursuit.

I think bringing Anthony back is a the smarter, surer, but far from certain and far from perfect route. I think it'd be BETTER if he took less, but shouldn't be the difference between going in that direction or not.

I don't pretend the free agent route it certain or likely.

But please don't present your side that ignores the lack of a 2016 pick in favor of "finding diamonds in the rough" as some sort of more realistic view.

[Knicksfan20]

Looking like it's the Mavs now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SprungOnSports/status/486181029515100161[/tweet]

Hopefully their GM is smart enough to get that second year team option in the contract. Da Gawd is a perfect fit and could end up starting if he has a good preseason. Mavs have their successor to Dirk now.

[Jay10]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486190872212799488[/tweet]

One can only imagine what Bosh going to Houston, and Carmelo going to the Heat would do to this board.

[KnicksManiac]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486190872212799488[/tweet]

One can only imagine what Bosh going to Houston, and Carmelo going to the Heat would do to this board.

I, for one, would need to take an extended break if this were to happen.

[suicidedeuce]

When is the last time a team spread out +$20M to it's existing players?

Not a good precedent to get into --- players get false sense of value one you start artificially inflating their true contract value with extra $$$.


I haven't heard of this going on previously -- any examples?

I'm not sure there is a precedent.

But remember, we're entering somewhat uncharted territory in the NBA, the 4th year of the curretn CBA, in which 5 year contracts are the max and 4 years contracts are commonplace AND this is the first year the cap has moved upwards in about 8 years.

You're going to see more and more teams have significant cap room in the next few years, because the cap is goign to go up and contracts are going to expire more often.

OK - but I think a preference for a team like Philly - would be to take on 1-year of salary (ex Stat) if it can also secure an additional young asset (Shump or THJ) -- rather than just pay out their existing players.

That's conjecture.

But the astute fans who really want to put this sort of scenario should do the math and see if such a transaction puts the Sixers AT/near or OVER the floor. Because those are two VERY different scenarios.

Every dime OVER the floor is a dime coming out of the Sixers pockets that they don't have to pay. That remains in their coffers as they try to rebuild.

Is there a Stat scenario that places the Sixers on the floor rather than millions OVER it?

As I say, the smart fan thinking this is a realistic scenario would be doing that math right now.

[Jay10]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486190872212799488[/tweet]

One can only imagine what Bosh going to Houston, and Carmelo going to the Heat would do to this board.

I, for one, would need to take an extended break if this were to happen.

I think Wade and Lebron are praying Bosh leaves, but they don't have the guts to force him to leave.

[DaGawd]

>Wake up
>Checks phone immediately
>Still no news

Waking up at 12:30? Must be nice.

Day off of work FTW!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Looking like it's the Mavs now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SprungOnSports/status/486181029515100161[/tweet]

Chandler and Da Gawd? I'll see the Mavs in the lottery

[ag3]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486190872212799488[/tweet]

One can only imagine what Bosh going to Houston, and Carmelo going to the Heat would do to this board.

I highly doubt Bosh does anything until Lebron decides.
If Lebron goes to Cleveland, Bosh likely signs with Houston. If Lebron goes back to Miami, Bosh likely does as well.

[Futureisnow]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486190872212799488[/tweet]

One can only imagine what Bosh going to Houston, and Carmelo going to the Heat would do to this board.

A lot of people would be thrilled. Think of all the cap space! And a high draft pick to boot which is great because those always pan out!

[dreamer3kx]

Is Bosh looking for max because he sure isnt worth it.

[god shammgod]

Is Bosh looking for max because he sure isnt worth it.

he doesn't have to look, he's being offered it

[aq_ua]

While you have the pulse of the people? I don't think you give Knicks fans enough credit. We've put up through the Layden years and the Thomas years in succession and still filled the seats so your presumption that Knicks fans somehow can't stomach a rebuild is evidently false.

I don't have the pulse if anyone. I have empirical evidence. I have no interest in trying to get you to 'believe' me. Google stories about MSG's ratings after Melo was acquired. Google how the Knicks suddently became an attractive NATIONAL TV player whereas they weren't in previous years. National TV exposure it a big deal.

Consider even 2 or 4 home postseason date and 5 to 12 total postseason games provide programming opportunities that woudnt otherwise exist. Do you understand the implication of selling out just ONE postseason MSG game at postsseason ticket prices versus not?

I don't argue the KNicks can't remain a lucrative enterprise during down years, but let's not make the mistake of pretending it's not relevant when there is a choice between the two methods of rebuilding.

You also over emphasize the lack of a 2016 pick when the moment Melo leaves, we will for sure be converting some of our excess cap space into draft picks much in the way other teams have done to facilitate free agent signings. We will be attempting to find diamonds in the rough through lower tier signings and our own young players and give them playing time, which will in turn increase their value and provide another potential avenue of obtaining draft picks.

"Attempting" being the keyword there and giving young players more playing time doesn't by default increase their value, it could also expose them for being marginal players.

You're framing the "rebuild" as all the variables going in a direction favorable to the Knicks, and choosing to dismiss the lack of a 2016 first rounder and I'm sorry, its hard to take your version of the rebuild in a serious comparison between the Knicks options.

Yes, if we're going to ASSUME the KNicks rebuild goes swimmingly and we're also going to assume the Knicks free agency rebuild does badly, the choice is clear.

But a discussion in which both of those things are actual unknown variables is a very different discussion.

I can acknowledge BOTH paths can fail. If you're going to gloss over the limitations of the rebuild without a 2014 and 2016 first rounder there is no common ground for us to discuss.

Everything in your post sounds like defeatism and making excuses in preparation for the inevitable that we will likely bring back Melo at the full max,which as others have noted, we will just have to grin and bear.

Well, you WILL have to bear it if you're a Knicks fan because you and I don't have a say. Up to you if you want to grin when being a Knicks fan is supposed to be a recreational pursuit.

I think bringing Anthony back is a the smarter, surer, but far from certain and far from perfect route. I think it'd be BETTER if he took less, but shouldn't be the difference between going in that direction or not.

I don't pretend the free agent route it certain or likely.

But please don't present your side that ignores the lack of a 2016 pick in favor of "finding diamonds in the rough" as some sort of more realistic view.

Again you are assuming the Knicks will only be run for immediate profit (which I disagree given Phil Jackson) and you also gloss over the use of cap space as a readily achievable and tested method of accumulating draft picks, so let's not pretend there is not a highly biased perspective being represented on either side here. I won't argue over the likelihood of our fictional free agents and draft picks turning out to be valuable or not for obvious reasons.

The entire premise of my argument is that there is no high degree of certainty around any method of rebuild, so I all I can do is react to what I can tangibly see today - my preference and nothing more. I'm not here to convince you either, just to point out the inconsistencies in your arguments since you seem to be so dismissive of the alternative.

Ultimately as to whether or not we have a say in the whole matter...as a wise man once said, duh dude. This is all fun and games. I find this all amusing in a slightly masochistic sense.

[Im Coming Home]

For what its worth..

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