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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#241 » by bishnykfan » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:42 pm

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NYKat wrote:So are we moving Amare for Pau? Unless we have a good chance of landing Pau and by extension Marc, I'd just as soon let Stat expire...


Moving Stat Shump and Filler for Thad Young, seems like a decent option to me.
Thad fits the Lamar Odom role in the offense real well.
Would give us space to sign Pau as well.

Thad has a player option next season for 9 mil, that he's sure to turn down.
Wouldn't be really killing the cap space, except for Pau's deal.
Pau's deal can essentially help Marc take a little less than what he wants


Of course it seems like a great option to me too, but why would Philly move Young for Stat and Shump? I could see moving Jason Richardson, but what is their incentive to move Young in this deal?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#242 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:42 pm

amare and shump to philly is probably not realistic. more like amare, timmy, early. not endorsing it, just being realistic.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#243 » by nyknicks8016 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:42 pm

BowlRips wrote:If we clear Amare and Shump to Philly..
What do you see Knicks doing with the $6-9million in space they get.

I definately see them giving Pau a 2year MLE deal, but to get the MLE you'd got to spend the cap space first?
Do they overpay a player that can help them today so that they can maintain the flexibility in 2015?



Once you go under the cap you lose the MLE you do not get it back when you spend your cap space thats not how it works..
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#244 » by NYKat » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:43 pm

Based on SAS rambling--Sounds like this Bosh to houston/Melo to miami thing is a long shot
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#245 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:43 pm

If you can turn Amare/Shump into Pau Gasol while keeping Melo you probably have to do it.

It just can't be that easy though.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#246 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:43 pm

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 22s

Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

that's kind of weird. in 2 years this can be yours. um.....
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Post#247 » by suicidedeuce » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:43 pm

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LJ4pointplay wrote:Lets pretend that the Amare and Shump deal is on table, we should definitely be able to move Bargs with Timmy and future first if needed.

If we clear those four, where does that leave us salary-wise?


Just add Calderon, Smith, Dalembert (or his buy out amount), Ellington, Larkin, Prigioni, Tyler (if you want to keep him), the amount owed to Artist, and add a cap hold for every player you don't want to sign on top of that.

Meaning if you have 7 players and want to figure out how much you have to sign 2, you have to add 3 cap holds (12 minimum - 7 players - 2 free agents you want to sign = 3).


Jose Calderon $7,097,191
JR Smith $5,982,375
Samuel Dalembert $3,867,282
Wayne Ellington $2,500,000
Pablo Prigioni $1,662,961
Metta World Peace $1,661,550
Shane Larkin $1,606,080


dalembert had a 15% trade kicker, and his buyout WAS $1.8m, so I imagine his buyout is 15% more than that.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#248 » by DE FENSE » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:44 pm

god shammgod wrote:amare and shump to philly is probably not realistic. more like amare, timmy, early. not endorsing it, just being realistic.


No way unless we get a guarantee from Leflop.
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Post#249 » by Dkillanyk4lyf » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:45 pm

moke dropping knowledge.

Source: With eye toward cap space, Jackson shopping Bargnani and Stoudemire.

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Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.

Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into the free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#250 » by BowlRips » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:45 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:I know everyone is giddy over the possibility of moving Stat, but unless Pau leads to Marc, is he a big enough upgrade over Stat to give up Shump and salary room next year for? Why move Stat/Shump and maybe another piece or two for Pau unless you have a really strong belief that they can get Marc next summer?


Not sure if there is any legitimacy to any of this but......

What if we got Thad Young in return for Stat/Shump.

Then we were able to use either the MLE or just sign Pau outright.

We'd be looking at a Melo/Thad/Pau front line and next year.....

We let Bargs expire and trade JR (expiring I think) to make room for MARC GASOL.


This is what I'm thinking.
And this is a plan you can go to Melo and say straight up "this is how were getting better"

JR has a player option next year at 6mil. Considering the deals guards got this free agency, i'd bet he opts out. Heck, even a team might be willing to take on his contract, hoping he opts in and they get great value in JR at 2 years/12 million.
Thad also has an ETO at $9.5 million. In this market, it seems he'd opt out, but thats not for sure


Going into next season w/
Pau
Thad
Melo
THJ / JR
Calderon

is pretty solid. If they can build that chemistry, that can be a nice exciting team.

Speaking of Pau, who's to say he doesnt go the Tim Duncan route in his career. What I mean is that he stays effective into his late 30's. Both has a similar skillset and are extremely fundamental.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#251 » by Dkillanyk4lyf » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

looks like rr source was somewhat legit.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#252 » by bishnykfan » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:I know everyone is giddy over the possibility of moving Stat, but unless Pau leads to Marc, is he a big enough upgrade over Stat to give up Shump and salary room next year for? Why move Stat/Shump and maybe another piece or two for Pau unless you have a really strong belief that they can get Marc next summer?


Not sure if there is any legitimacy to any of this but......

What if we got Thad Young in return for Stat/Shump.

Then we were able to use either the MLE or just sign Pau outright.

We'd be looking at a Melo/Thad/Pau front line and next year.....

We let Bargs expire and trade JR (expiring I think) to make room for MARC GASOL.


I just don't see why Philly would take on salary and give away the best player in the deal? A Shump/Stat for Jason Richardson is more likely IMO. But yeah, I'd take Thad Young in a heartbeat in a deal like that. Just don't see it happening.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#253 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 22s

Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

that's kind of weird. in 2 years this can be yours. um.....


in 2 years melo will have won his second coach of the year award so it's plausible
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Post#254 » by red32 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 22s

Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

that's kind of weird. in 2 years this can be yours. um.....

Isn't this the same push on Howard?
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Post#255 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:Lets pretend that the Amare and Shump deal is on table, we should definitely be able to move Bargs with Timmy and future first if needed.

If we clear those four, where does that leave us salary-wise?


It makes things interesting:

Calderon: $7.1 mil
Smith: $6 mil
Dalembert: $2 mil guaranteed (I believe)
Ellington: $2.8 mil
Prigioni: $1.7 mil
Artest: $1.7 mil
Larkin: $1.6 mil
Early: $1 mil?

That's $23.9 million...plus $2-2.5 mil in cap holds brings it to about $26.5 million. That's still less than $40 mil in cap space. If the Knicks can also dump Dalembert and Ellington in those trades, it brings them very very close to being able to offer 2 max contracts, certainly close enough.
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Post#256 » by Johnny Hoops » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:46 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:I think I agree with SAS that if Bosh signs with Houston, this would open up the door for Melo to the Heat.


Issue with this is Bosh would almost certainly wait LeBron out because he wants to play with Bron.

Bron signs with Miami - Bosh stays in Miami.
Bron signs with Cavs - Bosh goes to Houston or any # of places.

But don't see Bosh jumping to Houston 1st only to have Bron turn around and bring Melo to Miami to replace Bosh.

Now -- this could be Bron's motivation --- hold out until Bosh feels pressure and jumps the gun. Bron probably prefers Melo to Bosh but doesn't want to take the public hit for basically pushing Bosh out. That is my high level opinion.
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Post#257 » by dreamer3kx » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:47 pm

god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 22s

Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

that's kind of weird. in 2 years this can be yours. um.....


And Melo two yrs older, not like he 22 yrs old.
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Post#258 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:48 pm

BowlRips wrote:If we clear Amare and Shump to Philly..
What do you see Knicks doing with the $6-9million in space they get.

I definately see them giving Pau a 2year MLE deal, but to get the MLE you'd got to spend the cap space first?
Do they overpay a player that can help them today so that they can maintain the flexibility in 2015?


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#259 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:48 pm

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BowlRips wrote:If we clear Amare and Shump to Philly..
What do you see Knicks doing with the $6-9million in space they get.

I definately see them giving Pau a 2year MLE deal, but to get the MLE you'd got to spend the cap space first?
Do they overpay a player that can help them today so that they can maintain the flexibility in 2015?


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#260 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:49 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I think I agree with SAS that if Bosh signs with Houston, this would open up the door for Melo to the Heat.


Issue with this is Bosh would almost certainly wait LeBron out because he wants to play with Bron.

Bron signs with Miami - Bosh stays in Miami.
Bron signs with Cavs - Bosh goes to Houston or any # of places.

But don't see Bosh jumping to Houston 1st only to have Bron turn around and bring Melo to Miami to replace Bosh.

Now -- this could be Bron's motivation --- hold out until Bosh feels pressure and jumps the gun. Bron probably prefers Melo to Bosh but doesn't want to take the public hit for basically pushing Bosh out. That is my high level opinion.


But maybe Bron would rather play with Melo? I dunno. If you were Lebron, who would you rather play with?
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