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MeloDrama Part VI

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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#261 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:50 pm

dreamer3kx wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 22s

Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

that's kind of weird. in 2 years this can be yours. um.....


And Melo two yrs older, not like he 22 yrs old.


And New York already is his team.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#262 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:51 pm

who the hell would take bargs for nothing ?
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#263 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:51 pm

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LJ4pointplay wrote:Lets pretend that the Amare and Shump deal is on table, we should definitely be able to move Bargs with Timmy and future first if needed.

If we clear those four, where does that leave us salary-wise?


It makes things interesting:

Calderon: $7.1 mil
Smith: $6 mil
Dalembert: $2 mil guaranteed (I believe)
Ellington: $2.8 mil
Prigioni: $1.7 mil
Artest: $1.7 mil
Larkin: $1.6 mil
Early: $1 mil?

That's $23.9 million...plus $2-2.5 mil in cap holds brings it to about $26.5 million. That's still less than $40 mil in cap space. If the Knicks can also dump Dalembert and Ellington in those trades, it brings them very very close to being able to offer 2 max contracts, certainly close enough.


I made a mistake with Ellington, he's $2.5 million...same general idea.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#264 » by j4remi » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:52 pm

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:moke dropping knowledge.

Source: With eye toward cap space, Jackson shopping Bargnani and Stoudemire.

Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.

Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into the free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.


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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#265 » by Bob Ross » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:52 pm

god shammgod wrote:who the hell would take bargs for nothing ?


Scott Layden has a job somewhere doesn't he?
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Post#266 » by vallen » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:53 pm

if he goes to LA its not about money or winning. its about where his wife is telling him to play.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#267 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:53 pm

god shammgod wrote:who the hell would take bargs for nothing ?


well we gave up a 1st for him so who knows....
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Post#268 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:54 pm

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:moke dropping knowledge.

Source: With eye toward cap space, Jackson shopping Bargnani and Stoudemire.

Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.

Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into the free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.


Interesting, Tie Shumpert and THJ to Amare and Bargs in order to rid ourselves of those contracts. I guess Phil wants to commit to JR at SG for the time being. So Philly may be in for Amare and Shump while Phil allegedly has another team with hug cap space interested in Bargs and THJ. That would be very interesting if Phil could pull off those two trades.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#269 » by god shammgod » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:55 pm

i'd probably give up tim hardaway just to not watch bargs for a year. not even for the cap space, just for that.
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Post#270 » by BowlRips » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:55 pm

If Phil is able to trade Bargs or Amare to get us under the apron and then bring along Gasol, I see it is as win.
Melo likes Gasol
Maybe Melo told Phil that he has until the end of the week to show him an improved team
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Post#271 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:55 pm

god shammgod wrote:i'd probably give up tim hardaway just to not watch bargs for a year. not even for the cap space, just for that.


So we put this in the "yes" column. :D
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#272 » by ag3 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:56 pm

Wow. So Jackson already declined a Bargnani trade.
This is getting very interesting now.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#273 » by don't panac » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:56 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:Maybe you do put the cart before the horse and get the Amar'e deal done first ... puts some shark bait in the water to whet LeBron's appetite.


Clearing the space is a very big long shot, but LeBron aside, I'd take Melo and Bosh both are max contracts this off-season and call it a huge success.

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wait, you are suggesting that both melo and bosh end up in NY? at max?
not sure how the number would work.

would be interesting to hear bosh's comment on being paired with bargnani and calderon again. basically the raptors of a few years ago plus melo.
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Re: MeloDrama Part VI 

Post#274 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:56 pm

BowlRips wrote:If Phil is able to trade Bargs or Amare to get us under the apron and then bring along Gasol, I see it is as win.
Melo likes Gasol
Maybe Melo told Phil that he has until the end of the week to show him an improved team



Think big son. Bargs AND Amare. Not "or."
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Post#275 » by Starbury316 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:i'd probably give up tim hardaway just to not watch bargs for a year. not even for the cap space, just for that.


I feel like hell only move Amare if Lebron is coming
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Post#276 » by Starbury316 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:i'd probably give up tim hardaway just to not watch bargs for a year. not even for the cap space, just for that.


I feel like hell only move Amare if Lebron is coming
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Post#277 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

So Bargs cost us Lebron?

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Post#278 » by RaZzMaTaZz » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

Why is this dragging???? Melo should have a decision by now.
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Post#279 » by DaGawd » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

Somebody best be telling Lebron to chill on making a decision until PJax has enough time to work his magic..
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Post#280 » by MotownMadness » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:57 pm

Amare for Smith

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