Is letting Bosh go to Hou part of a plan to get Melo to Mia?

[KillMonger]

Trading in your second best defender (maybe most important) for another mediocre defender does not make them better. They lost the finals due to defense, this does not make them any better.

If they get McRoberts to replace him though, they won't be giving up a whole on defense at that position.

If defense is the only concern, usually you can get cheap defender role players to just come in and play good D and hustle. Paying Bosh max money for his defense and occasional 3 pt shot just seems unwise. Melo may not be a good defender, but he's a threat to score 35 every night. I think that outweighs the defense Bosh provides.

not against the spurs, you got to be able to defend the spurs they'll kill you offensively

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[Eduardo]

I just don't think Melo and LeBron can handle that many minutes as PF's as they age. The wear and tear of defending bigger guys and battling down low will get to them. I'd imagine theyd rather both be SF's.

[Kevin Johnson]

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Important point on Bosh: He's waiting on direction from LeBron, source says, not the other way around.

Bosh is waiting on Lebron while he has a MAX offer.

Lebron meanwhile seems to already be headed back to Cleveland.

Come on Bosh, you got your rings. Take the offer while it's still on the table. And hanging out with Parsons and Lin seems a whole lot more fun than Lebron and Wade -- at least for a closet nerd like you and I

[markdeez33]

Take the HOU money, Bosh

[Mamba Venom]

If LeBron wants Melo, it makes sense Bish would have to leave salary wise.

[XxIronChainzxX]

I think Lebron/Melo/Crippled Wade/Scrubs > the same team but with Bosh, so if this is what MIA ends up doing I think they end up a better team. Interestingly, this doesn't actually cause a power shift in the East.

[jbk1234]

I just don't think Melo and LeBron can handle that many minutes as PF's as they age. The wear and tear of defending bigger guys and battling down low will get to them. I'd imagine theyd rather both be SF's.

I think that LBJ can play some PF and do really well (he'd redefine the stretch 4). That's not the problem. Wade can't play defense anymore. Melo doesn't defend. That team is still capped out and you just used the Mid Level on McBob. I don't understand why LBJ, Melo, Wade > LBJ, Bosh, Wade.

[PCProductions]

Bosh -> Melo is a downgrade, though.

No it isn't. Not on talent, and especially not on miles. That's one major factor that gets overlooked. How many more times can this same core continue to make the Finals together? They already seemed worn down this year. Now is the time when you need to trade one of them for a fresh guy to reinvent and reinvigorate the team. That's the only way you can keep this going without running out of steam.

Bringing back the same Big 3 and expecting them to carry the team to a 5th straight Finals, with just a couple new role players added around them isn't logical.

Total minutes played, Regular Season:
Anthony: 28838
Bosh: 28602

Total minutes played, Playoffs:
Anthony: 2579
Bosh: 3131

I wouldn't exactly call Melo "fresh" with regards to replacing Bosh.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Bosh -> Melo is a downgrade, though.

No it isn't. Not on talent, and especially not on miles. That's one major factor that gets overlooked. How many more times can this same core continue to make the Finals together? They already seemed worn down this year. Now is the time when you need to trade one of them for a fresh guy to reinvent and reinvigorate the team. That's the only way you can keep this going without running out of steam.

Bringing back the same Big 3 and expecting them to carry the team to a 5th straight Finals, with just a couple new role players added around them isn't logical.

Total minutes played, Regular Season:
Anthony: 28838
Bosh: 28602

Total minutes played, Playoffs:
Anthony: 2579
Bosh: 3131

I wouldn't exactly call Melo "fresh" with regards to replacing Bosh.

You will notice the difference if you post their playoff minutes over the past 4 years.

[whocurrz]

Well"sources" claim that Bosh has said he would take a discount to stay in Miami if Lebron and Wade re-sign. We've heard nothing about Melo being willing to take any sort of discount so I don't think it ultimately makes them better. Bosh + whatever FA signings they can makes with savings > Melo. Would be a bizare plan but anything is possible

I'd take Melo, resigning Allen/Lewis/Chalmers/Birdman/Haslam + MLE over Bosh & "$12" mil in FAs any day.

Heat's biggest problems were defense and their 3 point shooting got worse. Melo makes them much worse on defense and upgrading 3 point shooting is not nearly as necessary. Heat with Melo still get murderballed by the Spurs in your scenario whereas exploring the other option at least gives many more options. Melo is a great player but the guy who he should be replacing is Wade not Bosh. Move Lebron to SG as he's better at shooting driving defense and really every single aspect of basketball than Wade

[SupaManu]

If the heat renounce bosh they then have to use their cap space to sign mcroberts and wont get a mle, correct or am I wrong?

[Ridicululz]

replacing wade with melo would make sense.

replacing bosh doesn't.

I agree with this, but Wade is a Heat lifer. He's done many great things for the organization. He's in Miami for his entire career imo.

[Q00]

If the heat renounce bosh they then have to use their cap space to sign mcroberts and wont get a mle, correct or am I wrong?

I think you are right, but what is better keeping the same team but getting to use the MLE on McRoberts...or getting Melo instead of Bosh and still getting McRoberts anyways?

It all adds up the same. Not having the MLE doesn't really mean much when you gain like 18 mil in capspace by not resigning Bosh . In other words, if you renounce Bosh you won't need the MLE anyways

[SupaManu]

If the heat renounce bosh they then have to use their cap space to sign mcroberts and wont get a mle, correct or am I wrong?

I think you are right, but what is better keeping the same team but getting to use the MLE on McRoberts...or getting Melo instead of Bosh and still getting McRoberts anyways?

It all adds up the same. Not having the MLE doesn't really mean much when you gain like 18 mil in capspace by not resigning Bosh . In other words, if you renounce Bosh you won't need the MLE anyways

Would lebron and melo have to take paycuts to fit under the cap with wade?

[Q00]

If the heat renounce bosh they then have to use their cap space to sign mcroberts and wont get a mle, correct or am I wrong?

I think you are right, but what is better keeping the same team but getting to use the MLE on McRoberts...or getting Melo instead of Bosh and still getting McRoberts anyways?

It all adds up the same. Not having the MLE doesn't really mean much when you gain like 18 mil in capspace by not resigning Bosh . In other words, if you renounce Bosh you won't need the MLE anyways

Would lebron and melo have to take paycuts to fit under the cap with wade?

It depends how much Wade demands, but my math says Miami would have enough to give LeBron/Melo both max deals and still have approx 13 mil to give Wade. Most reports say Wade is expecting 14-15 mil, so it seems doable if Wade giving up a few mil is the only issue.

And honetly based on Wade's game right now he's probably only worth 8-10 mil at best, so even at 13 he would be getting more than he's worth, making it hard for him to complain.

[kinghasnoequal]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

[Mikey111690]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Or it was made painfully clear to Riley that Gasol, Ariza, Deng, etc weren't willing to take significant pay cuts in order to join Miami and is now getting desperate and thus signing any FA he possibly can.

[Forbes]

This is what I've been thinking about all day. I'm going to be happy thinking the Big 3 is over. Then Melo is gonna swoop in and join. I'd be quite disappointed.

[_jin]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

the thing is, how do you make a deeper bench with only the vet min to offer?
And if they actually use the exceptions, the only way to get Melo is through a 3 way S&T with NY & Houston, which seems unlikely and not really attractive for NY.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.