What's the problem with Jerebko?

pad300 · Post #1 » by **pad300** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:49 pm

Ok, I'm a non-Pistons fan looking for cheap FA's.

Tell me what's the problem with Jerebko as a PF (particularly as a stretch 4)?

He shoots a strong % (TS .557 and 3FG% .419) and he rebounds well (DRB% 19.3). But his TO rate spiked this year (15.5% vs <11.5% for the 3 previous years). Was he being asked to do a lot more on Offence? If so, what was causing the TO problem (bad drive choices? lousy feesd from the guards? ... )?

He also has a pretty high foul rate - 5.7/Game for his career. Is he really bad defensively? Does he try to do too much or is he being over-matched because of bad schemes? Is he one of those guys who will try for crazy blocks when he's been beat (and thereby give up bad fouls)? I she particularly terrible in the post or on the perimeter?

ImHeisenberg · Post #2 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:54 pm

As a rookie, he was a great hustle player that made heady plays based on his energy.

Missed his entire second season due to injury. Came back and wasn't as explosive, and tries to shoot too much, handle the ball too much and puts less effort into defense and hustle plays.

coolness · Post #3 » by **coolness** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:08 pm

The turnover rate from last year is a worry. Maybe because the offensive flow was butt.

Redeemed · Post #4 » by **Redeemed** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:16 pm

pad300 wrote:Ok, I'm a non-Pistons fan looking for cheap FA's.

Tell me what's the problem with Jerebko as a PF (particularly as a stretch 4)?

He shoots a strong % (TS .557 and 3FG% .419) and he rebounds well (DRB% 19.3). But his TO rate spiked this year (15.5% vs <11.5% for the 3 previous years). Was he being asked to do a lot more on Offence? If so, what was causing the TO problem (bad drive choices? lousy feesd from the guards? ... )?

He also has a pretty high foul rate - 5.7/Game for his career. Is he really bad defensively? Does he try to do too much or is he being over-matched because of bad schemes? Is he one of those guys who will try for crazy blocks when he's been beat (and thereby give up bad fouls)? I she particularly terrible in the post or on the perimeter?

Since he's come off his injury, he has been pressing to show that his game has developed. As a result of that, he has been playing out of his comfort zone. Jerebko is best suited as a versatile energy player, but he's been trying to be more to prove himself to the last few coaches who have put him in the doghouse.

Given the chance he could be a contributer if he goes back to his high energy hustler roots.

coordinator0 · Post #5 » by **coordinator0** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:23 pm

For what it's worth Jerebko isn't a free agent. He exercised his player option.

Ghost · Post #6 » by **Ghost** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:35 pm

Accepted his player option of 4.5M, he's probably going to get one good shot to impress SVG into keeping him.

The last few coaches haven't really found a spot for him. The Smith signing overloading our frontcourt didn't help him either. Like people said about his old hustle ways, his offensive rebounding percent (I think) was outstanding.
I imagine he would play nice as a stretch 4 next to Drummond, situationally during the game.

DBC10 · Post #7 » by **DBC10** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:39 pm

If JJ somehow flourished under SVG, then I don't mind having back.

But like the others have said, the coaches weren't really impressed with his ability besides his shooting at times. Otherwise, he was buried pretty far on the bench, especially when Frank was the coach.

need4detroit · Post #8 » by **need4detroit** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:48 pm

Dribbling. If he could dribble he would be a good SF.

Billl · Post #9 » by **Billl** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:39 pm

There is nothing "wrong" with Jerebko. I think he would make a solid rotation player on most teams. The problem has been his injury followed by really inconsistent minutes and roles. He did not hand the adversity well and responded by really pressing and trying to impress the coaches vs just playing his game.

He also is the type of player that will get his in the flow of an offense - cutting, kickouts, hustle plays etc. If you put him in a position where he has to create a shot, he's turnover prone. Our offensive structure and motion were non-existent the last couple years and he is one of the guys who suffered the most from that.

Defensively, it was basically the same story. When we were playing more cohesive team defense, he didn't look bad. He gave 100% effort, kept in front of his man, and hustled for rebounds and loose balls. He's not athletic enough to play scrambling/reacting defense though. He's not the type of guy who will make up for your guards getting beat off the dribble. He'll try to rotate over, but he'll end up with a foul more often than a block.

Entourage27 · Post #10 » by **Entourage27** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 5:39 pm

After the words of encouragement Stan gave about Jonas I believe that wasa great thing to hear. If he can be an effective role player for us and return to that hard working hustle guy he used to be, that would mean the world to our team, especially if he can get his shot going and shoot at least 40 percent from 3. That should be a goal of his because if he gets it going like that then that could definitely translate to wins for us. Our team is desperate for a player with a skill set of his at the 4 spot with the "Big 3" taking up most of the big man minutes. With a stabile coach with an actual scheme things should be a hell of a lot easier on our players especially guys who found it hard to get it going like Jonas.

Uncle Mxy · Post #11 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 6:45 pm

Every minute that CV played was a minute that Jerebko should've played.

ARoS · Post #12 » by **ARoS** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:09 pm

Uncle Mxy wrote:Every minute that CV played was a minute that Jerebko should've played.

Every minute that Smith played was a minute that Jerebko shouldve played.... And not because he is a better player, but because he is a team player and wouldnt have taken as many crappy shots as Smith, and who know he may have even sunk a few more threes.

vic · Post #13 » by **vic** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:21 pm

alex0000 wrote:
Uncle Mxy wrote:Every minute that CV played was a minute that Jerebko should've played.

Every minute that Smith played was a minute that Jerebko shouldve played.... And not because he is a better player, but because he is a team player and wouldnt have taken as many crappy shots as Smith, and who know he may have even sunk a few more threes.

Totally agree with both of you.
Jerebko is a better defender than Singler, with the same cutting and hustling ability. Seemed to add a 3 pt shot last year too. Hopefully an intelligent coach will find some use for him.

Laimbeer · Post #14 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:38 pm

He's yours for a TPE.

Pistons888 · Post #15 » by **Pistons888** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:11 pm

I have liked Jerebko since he came into the league. He doesn't always make the smartest decisions on the floor but he's just a guy you can tell gives 100%. He is a hustler and I hope that he can flourish and play a role this year.

engelbert321 · Post #16 » by **engelbert321** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:28 pm

His number one problem is that he doesn't have a true position. Sure he can play both the 3 and 4 but he's not good at either position. Second, he sucks at dribbling. Third, he does his pump fake way too many times and no one ever bites on it.

ImHeisenberg · Post #17 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:32 pm

DBC10 wrote:If JJ somehow flourished under SVG, then I don't mind having back.

I'm secretly hoping JJ has a break out season under SVG. He will know what is expected of him, and will probably be instructed not to try and do too much with the ball. I could see JJ being great in the Spurs system. Why not the Pistons new SVG system?

DBC10 · Post #18 » by **DBC10** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:36 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
DBC10 wrote:If JJ somehow flourished under SVG, then I don't mind having back.

I'm secretly hoping JJ has a break out season under SVG. He will know what is expected of him, and will probably be instructed not to try and do too much with the ball. I could see JJ being great in the Spurs system. Why not the Pistons new SVG system?

Yep, and with the way the Spurs won a chip' this year, I can see SVG implementing some part of their system to our team since he supposedly loves their organization.

Could be a mini-breakout thing for JJ. Which is something we should all celebrate haha.

ImHeisenberg · Post #19 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:40 pm

DBC10 wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
DBC10 wrote:If JJ somehow flourished under SVG, then I don't mind having back.

I'm secretly hoping JJ has a break out season under SVG. He will know what is expected of him, and will probably be instructed not to try and do too much with the ball. I could see JJ being great in the Spurs system. Why not the Pistons new SVG system?

Yep, and with the way the Spurs won a chip' this year, I can see SVG implementing some part of their system to our team since he supposedly loves their organization.

Could be a mini-breakout thing for JJ. Which is something we should all celebrate haha.

SVG and Pop aren't mirror images, but how they had their teams play isn't that dissimilar. Lots of ball movement, utilizing pick and rolls and pick and pops depending on personnel. Team systems- that is the key word. We aren't going to watch Smith dribble the ball on the wing for 15 seconds, shrug his shoulders and take a shot with his eyes closed anymore. Those days are done, and it brings a smile to my face thinking about it.

DBC10 · Post #20 » by **DBC10** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:45 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
DBC10 wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:I'm secretly hoping JJ has a break out season under SVG. He will know what is expected of him, and will probably be instructed not to try and do too much with the ball. I could see JJ being great in the Spurs system. Why not the Pistons new SVG system?

Yep, and with the way the Spurs won a chip' this year, I can see SVG implementing some part of their system to our team since he supposedly loves their organization.

Could be a mini-breakout thing for JJ. Which is something we should all celebrate haha.

SVG and Pop aren't mirror images, but how they had their teams play isn't that dissimilar. Lots of ball movement, utilizing pick and rolls and pick and pops depending on personnel. Team systems- that is the key word. We aren't going to watch Smith dribble the ball on the wing for 15 seconds, shrug his shoulders and take a shot with his eyes closed anymore. Those days are done, and it brings a smile to my face thinking about it.

Definitely. I think the key thing for us to be successful here on out is a good defensive scheme (which SVG is all about) and ball movement (also SVG). I remember his ORL days when Jameer and Howard would PnR the opposing team to death and if that stopped working, they would just go for 3s or Howard post up. There's so much options available for this team going forward, that regardless of what happens in FA, it should be more watchable basketball here on out.