Is letting Bosh go to Hou part of a plan to get Melo to Mia?

[The Penguin]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

People are dumb.

[12footrim]

I just don't think Melo and LeBron can handle that many minutes as PF's as they age. The wear and tear of defending bigger guys and battling down low will get to them. I'd imagine theyd rather both be SF's.

I think you have it backwards. As they age both are guys with good size who likely would become more PF's anyway as they continually lose foot speed. That's the best position you can hide both on defense, not that you'd likely need to really hide Lebron for 5 years or so, but he's still not going to be the kind of defender 4 years that he is now or able to guard some SF's. That's just father time. You could already see some slippage this year guarding and being guard by K. Leonard. Durant, George, and Kawahi are still on the upward arc where Lebron is starting down.

That said Lebron and Anthony seems like a poor fit the next 2 or 3 years. Both are still capable of playing SF and where they should be in the immediate next couple years. If you play them together you need a good center who can rebound and defend I'd think.

[_jin]

I think you are right, but what is better keeping the same team but getting to use the MLE on McRoberts...or getting Melo instead of Bosh and still getting McRoberts anyways?

It all adds up the same. Not having the MLE doesn't really mean much when you gain like 18 mil in capspace by not resigning Bosh . In other words, if you renounce Bosh you won't need the MLE anyways

Would lebron and melo have to take paycuts to fit under the cap with wade?

It depends how much Wade demands, but my math says Miami would have enough to give LeBron/Melo both max deals and still have approx 13 mil to give Wade. Most reports say Wade is expecting 14-15 mil, so it seems doable if Wade giving up a few mil is the only issue.

And honetly based on Wade's game right now he's probably only worth 8-10 mil at best, so even at 13 he would be getting more than he's worth, making it hard for him to complain.

They can't have McBob/Granger by using the exceptions and sign Melo outright because they need to be under the cap to make him an offer, which makes them lose the exceptions. The only way to get Melo is a 3team S&T with NY/HOU

[kinghasnoequal]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.

Sorry I'm actually surprisingly ignorant when it comes to a teams cap situation. Could this work?

Cole/Napier
Wade/Allen
Lebron/Ennis
Melo/Haslem
McRoberts/Birdman/Oden

I'm probably just completely misunderstanding cap space/rules and that's why i'm in the dark.

[Mr Sixer]

I just don't think Melo and LeBron can handle that many minutes as PF's as they age. The wear and tear of defending bigger guys and battling down low will get to them. I'd imagine theyd rather both be SF's.

They have a lot of flexibility actually. They could play McRoberts at small ball center, and Melo at PF for spells with Lebron at SF or vice versa, or they could play Lebron at point guard and have Melo SF, McRoberts PF, and then whatever center. Lebrons going to be bringing the ball up anyways and they have enough talent on the roster with Melo and Lebron to make anything work.

[Mr Sixer]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.

Sorry I'm actually surprisingly ignorant when it comes to a teams cap situation. Could this work?

Cole/Napier
Wade/Allen
Lebron/Ennis
Melo/Haslem
McRoberts/Birdman/Oden

I'm probably just completely misunderstanding cap space/rules and that's why i'm in the dark.

I have no clue to be honest, but don't forget they just signed granger too

[MoneyTalks41890]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.

Sorry I'm actually surprisingly ignorant when it comes to a teams cap situation. Could this work?

Cole/Napier
Wade/Allen
Lebron/Ennis
Melo/Haslem
McRoberts/Birdman/Oden

I'm probably just completely misunderstanding cap space/rules and that's why i'm in the dark.

To use space on Melo, the Heat have to renounce all FAs and can only use cap up to 63 million with the BAE of 2.1. You don't get the MLE if you have had cap at any point in the season, which is why they could re-up their guys now with their cap holds still on the books on be able to use it, but not here.

Let's start with who has already committed: Cole, Napier, McBob, Granger that's about 10 million.

LeBron max: 20
Melo max: 20
Wade: 13

That's 63 right there with 5 cap holds left that would total 2.5 million, so someone would have to take a 2.5 million cut in there.

I saved the BAE for Haslem at 2.1 million, because the man opted out of 4 mil per, so you can't just give him the vet min.

Now, if they keep Bosh, they can go over to sign Haslem and Chalmers and sign the rest of those guys for the min with Granger getting the BAE and McBob getting the MLE.

The SnT for Melo with Bosh thing will never happen, NY won't participate.

[_jin]

I don't understand how people feel that this is the end of Riley's plan. Signing McRoberts and Granger is clearly part of a bigger picture where either; the big three stay and have a deeper bench, or bosh leaves and the big three have melo with a deeper bench.

If we could sit here asking ourselves why would Lebron stay because of these two signings, would the same thing not be going through the head of one of the best GM's? There's no way he's a big enough fool for this to be the end of his plan.

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.

Sorry I'm actually surprisingly ignorant when it comes to a teams cap situation. Could this work?

Cole/Napier
Wade/Allen
Lebron/Ennis
Melo/Haslem
McRoberts/Birdman/Oden

I'm probably just completely misunderstanding cap space/rules and that's why i'm in the dark.

absolutely no offense intended here, but as a Heat fan, this is a roster that makes you happy, or even seems better than last year's?
By the way, in order to get Melo with those guys, they either have to S&T Bosh with NY/HOU, or renounce most of their guys and fit all those guys under the cap. Either way it's difficult to execute.

[Infinite Llamas]

I just don't see how Melo/Lebron/Wade makes for a championship core...

[BimboColes]

the problem with all these Melo to MIA theories is that Melo seems to be acting on his own....hes not in sync with Wade Bron or anybody else

It also initially seemed that Lebron was acting on his own in 2010...

1. this isnt 2010
2. Melo isnt Bron
3. shut up
4.

You got me, he's going to the Nets

[12footrim]

I just don't see how Melo/Lebron/Wade makes for a championship core...

You forget the 4th best player is a non rebounding skinny passer PF.

During the finals the NBA countdown crew commented several times on how poor Wades effort was on defense. How he never tried to get back, and half the time was whining and hanging around after the play arguing with the refs about calls. When the heat coaches were asked they basically shurgged like that's what superstars do.

I don't know if Lebron can do anything with a defensive lineup consisting of Wade, Melo, McRoberts and Granger and two undersized PG's and some scraps signed at league minimums. At least with the Cavs you have young legs and seemingly willing defenders like Wiggins and a couple bigs that can actually rebound. Kyrie never makes effort to defend but I think he is at least capable where Wade can't anymore. If he was in a championship chase I would think his effort would at least improve. I think Wade feels like he's got to save whatever he can at this point.

[BimboColes]

Funny how Melo has essentially become a PF and Bosh has essentially become a jump shooting SF. Melo may be a better PF at this point than Bosh, so why can't he be a fit next to Lebron? He's a very good rebounder and is a much better shooter than Bosh who for some reason is almost only used to space the floor at this point.

[kinghasnoequal]

Well if Bosh stays this is it, they are out of exceptions and are capped out with just the vet min, but they can resign Haslem, Chalmers, etc. If Bosh leaves, McRoberts needs to be signed with cap space and they have a little bit of money to play with, but they can't resign their players from last year without renouncing them and using cap. if it's Melo, then this is it and somebody (Wade probably) takes a paycut to make it work.

In sum, this is it. The rest of us are disappointed as well, you aren't alone. Denial is the first stage, you'll get through it.

Sorry I'm actually surprisingly ignorant when it comes to a teams cap situation. Could this work?

Cole/Napier
Wade/Allen
Lebron/Ennis
Melo/Haslem
McRoberts/Birdman/Oden

I'm probably just completely misunderstanding cap space/rules and that's why i'm in the dark.

absolutely no offense intended here, but as a Heat fan, this is a roster that makes you happy, or even seems better than last year's?
By the way, in order to get Melo with those guys, they either have to S&T Bosh with NY/HOU, or renounce most of their guys and fit all those guys under the cap. Either way it's difficult to execute.

No I'm not trying to say that this would be an ideal situation for the team. I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of the cap situation in Miami.

[Iplaytolose]

On top of all the reasons listed above. Bosh had to change his game so that he would fit Spo's game plan. Would Melo be willing to do the same? Would Melo be able to take Bosh's place as a decoy?

You have to factor in that Wade will probably be taking a lesser role this coming season as well, so Melo's role won't be reduced as much as Bosh's game was in Miami.

[NaturalBuns]

Hilarious you read the first few pages "that's what I've been thinking"
Nobody said it though until Stephen A brought it up on espn last night

[richboy]

I'm starting to think Stephen A is going to be right once again. That Melo is waiting for Bosh to make a decision. That Miami is trying to pull the switcheroo from Bosh to Melo. Just like that Seinfeld episode where Jerry tried to switch from one roommate to another.

This is what seems to be happening

1.Big 3 opt out. Miami is telling free agents we have 12 million to spend. The go courting free agents way out of there price range.

2.Bosh agent says hold on not taking that big of a pay cut. Lebron says I'm getting the max. Miami options become limited.

3. Broussard says Miami not happy with the contract that Bosh wants. He will take a cut but not for the amount they want.

4.Bosh's agent starts calling teams about a max contract slot. Gets max contract offer from Rockets

5. Melo needs more time after meeting with all the suitors

6. Miami signs another stretch 4/5.

I get the sense Miami is trying to push Bosh out the door a little. Try to make it look like he left the Big 3. He goes sign in Houston and Riley quickly signs Melo. If not Melo maybe a combination of Gasol and another free agent. Bosh wants to get paid and Miami would rather pay others

[Altered_Beast]

I don't think Riley has the guile to do that to bosh and heat reporter sckolnick who has access to bosh people says he wants to stay and is willing to take a cut

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[Enso]

I don't think Riley has the guile to do that to bosh and heat reporter sckolnick who has access to bosh people says he wants to stay and is willing to take a cut

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Ya it's unlikely but fun to entertain nonetheless

[richboy]

I don't think Riley has the guile to do that to bosh and heat reporter sckolnick who has access to bosh people says he wants to stay and is willing to take a cut

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Everyone knows he said he be willing to take a cut. The amount of the cut seems to be the issue. Huge difference to I'm scheduled to make 20 but will take 16. To your scheduled to make 20 but we want to give you 12. For them to be telling free agents they had 12 million to spend they must have expected a big pay cut.

[NothingButLuck]

Whoever think Carmelo is not downgrade from Bosh, smh. That's not even account for the fact that it's a terrible fit. And someone said McRobert can replace what Bosh do on defense? LMFAO!!

Chalmer, Wade, LeBron, Melo, and then what? Who's protecting the paint? McRobert? Haslem? Oden???

That's terrible.