The Gordon Hayward Thread

[MasterIchiro]

Which one of you is Cho on here? I really want to know...

Is this a trick question "Mr Know It All"?

No. It's not a trick or rhetorical question. I just find it surprising that we had a sudden impulse for Hayward over Stephenson probably a few days before it was actually reported that the Hornets were seriously interested in Hayward. Not just surprising, but I find it weird because acquiring Hayward will be nearly impossible considering that he's a RFA that the Jazz are interested in retaining, and the thought of overpaying for a middling efficiency player that couldn't post inflated raw numbers on a bottom-5 team is even more erroneous

Your psychic abilities are rubbing off on us.

[Dancingpanda]

Which one of you is Cho on here? I really want to know...

Is this a trick question "Mr Know It All"?

No. It's not a trick or rhetorical question. I just find it surprising that we had a sudden impulse for Hayward over Stephenson probably a few days before it was actually reported that the Hornets were seriously interested in Hayward. Not just surprising, but I find it weird because acquiring Hayward will be nearly impossible considering that he's a RFA that the Jazz are interested in retaining, and the thought of overpaying for a middling efficiency player that couldn't post inflated raw numbers on a bottom-5 team is even more erroneous

I was just making a joke about your screen name my bad lol

[mrknowitall215]

Is this a trick question "Mr Know It All"?

No. It's not a trick or rhetorical question. I just find it surprising that we had a sudden impulse for Hayward over Stephenson probably a few days before it was actually reported that the Hornets were seriously interested in Hayward. Not just surprising, but I find it weird because acquiring Hayward will be nearly impossible considering that he's a RFA that the Jazz are interested in retaining, and the thought of overpaying for a middling efficiency player that couldn't post inflated raw numbers on a bottom-5 team is even more erroneous

I was just making a joke about your screen name my bad lol

It was a good joke. I didn't take any offense. Welcome to the board 'Dancingpanda'. I look forward to reading your intuitive posts and basketball opinions

[Dancingpanda]

No. It's not a trick or rhetorical question. I just find it surprising that we had a sudden impulse for Hayward over Stephenson probably a few days before it was actually reported that the Hornets were seriously interested in Hayward. Not just surprising, but I find it weird because acquiring Hayward will be nearly impossible considering that he's a RFA that the Jazz are interested in retaining, and the thought of overpaying for a middling efficiency player that couldn't post inflated raw numbers on a bottom-5 team is even more erroneous

I was just making a joke about your screen name my bad lol

It was a good joke. I didn't take any offense. Welcome to the board 'Dancingpanda'. I look forward to reading your intuitive posts and basketball opinions

Thanks! you might be disappointed tho! lmao jk

[JDR720]

I wonder if they put up an interview video with Gordon

[Liver_Pooty]

Wish this meeting would wrap up so we can see if we give him an offer sheet or not.

[MasterIchiro]

Well a dinner has to be involved. You'd think 6PM for the start of it, appetizers, entree, desserts... The tour of the facility is obviously over, the handshake with Clifford and Kemba and Al Jefferson greeting done. The paperwork is the last thing. I don't want to go home alone tonight. I scarrred.

[RaulLopez]

I have a feeling that the Jazz may want to dump Favors' contract to go full tank for next season since the frontcourt depth in the 2015 NBA Draft class may be 'off the charts' good, and they're not really expected to be anything close to contenders in the Western Conference this upcoming season. There were rumors that they were shopping Favors on draft day

Trust me, the Jazz have zero interest in moving Favors, unless it gets them someone like LeBron or Durant.

Second, I find it very interesting what Hayward is doing here. Jazz told him day one, we want you and will match anything you get. Sit down and lets work this out. Hayward instead of sitting down with the Jazz has gone on this tour of the NBA, checking out cities that want him. Why?

All I can think is this is driven by his agent, Mark Bartelstein. The agent is showing him all these cities and asking him to find one he wants to play in. And if he does not find any he likes they go back to the Jazz. If he does, the agent must feel he can some how broker a deal to get the Jazz to agree to a sign and trade. I just do not see how Bartelstein could be that powerful to force the Jazz to do that. This whole NBA tour Hayward is on is just weird. He is acting like a UFA, going around seeing all the sites and teams acting like signing him is a real option.

Which it is not. The fact is, the Jazz payroll is really low. Matching a max deal would be a good thing for them in terms of payroll. A max deal, while I am sure they do not wish to pay that, would be nothing for them. As it sits now, they could give Hayward a max deal, sign a couple of vets and still not make the NBA minimum payroll. The Jazz are hoping a team like Houston or Chicago needs to dump salary and gives the Jazz a pick to take a player with a large salary, to help them make minimum payroll.

The only card the agent really has is, he tells the Jazz to agree to the sign and trade or they just take the qualifying offer and leave next year as a UFA. That is a big card to play. A big gamble for Hayward and his agent to make. But he must feel that when push comes to shove, the Jazz will relent. If Hayward finds a place he really likes. And that is the only thing that makes sense here. As I have been banging my head on this for days.

Hayward will not sign a deal that is not a sign and trade, as he has to make sure where he is going. Question is, would the Jazz call his bluff with the qualifying offer? I have no idea.

[Liver_Pooty]

I have a feeling that the Jazz may want to dump Favors' contract to go full tank for next season since the frontcourt depth in the 2015 NBA Draft class may be 'off the charts' good, and they're not really expected to be anything close to contenders in the Western Conference this upcoming season. There were rumors that they were shopping Favors on draft day

Trust me, the Jazz have zero interest in moving Favors, unless it gets them someone like LeBron or Durant.

Second, I find it very interesting what Hayward is doing here. Jazz told him day one, we want you and will match anything you get. Sit down and lets work this out. Hayward instead of sitting down with the Jazz has gone on this tour of the NBA, checking out cities that want him. Why?

All I can think is this is driven by his agent, Mark Bartelstein. The agent is showing him all these cities and asking him to find one he wants to play in. And if he does not find any he likes they go back to the Jazz. If he does, the agent must feel he can some how broker a deal to get the Jazz to agree to a sign and trade. I just do not see how Bartelstein could be that powerful to force the Jazz to do that. This whole NBA tour Hayward is on is just weird. He is acting like a UFA, going around seeing all the sites and teams acting like signing him is a real option.

Which it is not. The fact is, the Jazz payroll is really low. Matching a max deal would be a good thing for them in terms of payroll. A max deal, while I am sure they do not wish to pay that, would be nothing for them. As it sits now, they could give Hayward a max deal, sign a couple of vets and still not make the NBA minimum payroll. The Jazz are hoping a team like Houston or Chicago needs to dump salary and gives the Jazz a pick to take a player with a large salary, to help them make minimum payroll.

The only card the agent really has is, he tells the Jazz to agree to the sign and trade or they just take the qualifying offer and leave next year as a UFA. That is a big card to play. A big gamble for Hayward and his agent to make. But he must feel that when push comes to shove, the Jazz will relent. If Hayward finds a place he really likes. And that is the only thing that makes sense here. As I have been banging my head on this for days.

Hayward will not sign a deal that is not a sign and trade, as he has to make sure where he is going. Question is, would the Jazz call his bluff with the qualifying offer? I have no idea.

Pretty much sums it up.

[mrknowitall215]

I have a feeling that the Jazz may want to dump Favors' contract to go full tank for next season since the frontcourt depth in the 2015 NBA Draft class may be 'off the charts' good, and they're not really expected to be anything close to contenders in the Western Conference this upcoming season. There were rumors that they were shopping Favors on draft day

Trust me, the Jazz have zero interest in moving Favors, unless it gets them someone like LeBron or Durant.

Second, I find it very interesting what Hayward is doing here. Jazz told him day one, we want you and will match anything you get. Sit down and lets work this out. Hayward instead of sitting down with the Jazz has gone on this tour of the NBA, checking out cities that want him. Why?

All I can think is this is driven by his agent, Mark Bartelstein. The agent is showing him all these cities and asking him to find one he wants to play in. And if he does not find any he likes they go back to the Jazz. If he does, the agent must feel he can some how broker a deal to get the Jazz to agree to a sign and trade. I just do not see how Bartelstein could be that powerful to force the Jazz to do that. This whole NBA tour Hayward is on is just weird. He is acting like a UFA, going around seeing all the sites and teams acting like signing him is a real option.

Which it is not. The fact is, the Jazz payroll is really low. Matching a max deal would be a good thing for them in terms of payroll. A max deal, while I am sure they do not wish to pay that, would be nothing for them. As it sits now, they could give Hayward a max deal, sign a couple of vets and still not make the NBA minimum payroll. The Jazz are hoping a team like Houston or Chicago needs to dump salary and gives the Jazz a pick to take a player with a large salary, to help them make minimum payroll.

The only card the agent really has is, he tells the Jazz to agree to the sign and trade or they just take the qualifying offer and leave next year as a UFA. That is a big card to play. A big gamble for Hayward and his agent to make. But he must feel that when push comes to shove, the Jazz will relent. If Hayward finds a place he really likes. And that is the only thing that makes sense here. As I have been banging my head on this for days.

Hayward will not sign a deal that is not a sign and trade, as he has to make sure where he is going. Question is, would the Jazz call his bluff with the qualifying offer? I have no idea.

I guess Jabari Parker is LeBron James and Kevin Durant already in the Jazz' front office's eyes then. Anyway, if I'm the Jazz front office I would be trying to make some type of move. I wouldn't move Favors though, because I like his defensive prowess combined with his physical nature. He embodies what the power forward position is traditionally about. However, I might be looking to move Enes Kanter even though unfortunately I'm uncertain if there's a legit market for his services that would give something decent in return

Likewise with everything else you said though, I don't necessarily understand what Gordon Hayward and his agent's negotiations with Charlotte is about. Personally, I'm not really interested in him unless it's between $7-9 million annually, and even that might turn into a regret in hindsight

[BeesWax]

Wish this meeting would wrap up so we can see if we give him an offer sheet or not.

I doubt we make an offer sheet. Knowing we need to trade I would think we would just talking to Utah if we have an agreement in line with Hayward so they can't hold our cap space if we can't find a deal.

[Dancingpanda]

Is the meeting tonight? I thought it was Tuesday? maybe i should learn to read

[JDR720]

These were all over the arena evidently, not just out front

[BeesWax]

Is the meeting tonight? I thought it was Tuesday? maybe i should learn to read

I thought it was today and tomorrow. From the sign looks like the whole family is here.

[MasterIchiro]

I hope this is the culmination of the trade activity Cho has supposedly been working on. I really hope this isn't some kind of beginning point.

[MasterIchiro]

These were all over the arena evidently, not just out front

Did the family accompany him to Cleveland?

Don't they have a river that caught fire?

[catch20two]

Lol. We're pulling out the stops for Mike Dunleavy Jr. Jr. Lol wtf.

[MasterIchiro]

Lol. We're pulling out the stops for Mike Dunleavy Jr. Jr. Lol wtf.

The honeycomb is a nice touch. Very tasteful.

[Liver_Pooty]

Putting his face on a welcome screen really isn't pulling out all the stops.

[catch20two]

I seriously hope Hayward isn't our end all be all. He's not the final piece we need. We'd be better off just trading for Alec Burks and paying him 1/4 of what Hayward want. Burks was almost as good as Hayward last year to be honest.